Has GT6 been abandoned by PD?

[danielc]

May is also one of the few set dates pd should deliver big... If they miss Senna's passing aniversary will be a big stupidity on their part. Not to mention they better do something way more exciting than just a goodwood/moon "side dish" and make a sub game "all you can eat buffet" Senna festival.
Also puzzles me how that big sony exec(yoshida?) that told driverclub to go back to the drawing board and didn't tell pd to do the same.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Also puzzles me how that big sony exec(yoshida?) that told driverclub to go back to the drawing board and didn't tell pd to do the same.

I feel really bad for Evolution Studios. Can't believe Sony is delaying that game for GT7... Sony is so blind to see what's going on with GT6, its not even selling all that well either. But of course, they advertised GT6 for dumb micro-transactions... They need to stop delaying Drive Club so much, because that's so stupid and unfair to Evo. That's one thing I'm annoyed with.

 

[Terronium-12]

And besides, I find it funny how I get bashed on a GranTurismoPlanet forum, I would expect this if it was a ForzaPlanet forum, we are all fans of the series and in this together along the Gran Turismo ride are we not.

And now for the second straw man argument, attempting to deride material that has little or no relevance to the subject matter you're apparently incapable of defending.

What next, you going out in grand fashion exclaiming that you're tired of reading negative responses?

 

[NixxxoN]

GT6 is a bare minimum of what online gaming is about today. No real community, no rankings, no penalties for acting like a ****. There is nothing there that pulls you in except if you are a part of a racing league (which the game does not help establish AT ALL). It's just awful by todays standards.

Seriously... all those things are good, but in the end, they would be only a very small part of what online racing is about.... It's about doing races with other people, and this is already there... you can do this right now.
For example, If you dont play an online game, only because there are no ranks... man, I think you dont care about having fun playing the game, you maybe only care about trying to get a good rank position, which is so silly if you ask me.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

Can't believe Sony is delaying that game for GT7...They need to stop delaying Drive Club so much, because that's so stupid and unfair to Evo.

Where did you get the impression Driveclub was delayed due to GT7?

Also, having played the three main Motorstorm games from Evolution, I would rather they delayed the game and ensure that it is working well, especially given that it is going to be so online focused. The Motorstorm games were fantastic to play, but had many glitches that were never patched and the online performance and lag were downright terrible.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Where did you get the impression Driveclub was delayed due to GT7?

Because Sony believes GT7 will drive sells in, but how can they when PD is pissing everybody off?

Also, having played the three main Motorstorm games from Evolution, I would rather they delayed the game and ensure that it is working well, especially given that it is going to be so online focused. The Motorstorm games were fantastic to play, but had many glitches that were never patched and the online performance and lag were downright terrible.

Hmm. If that's the case, than I accept that they delay Drive Club, but I'm still annoyed...

 

[Scaff]

does it really feel like your in a corvette driving at the ring like GT does? NOPE!

You've driven a 'vette at the 'ring then?

Now while I have not driven a 'vette at the 'ring I have driven the ring and a good few cars on track and proving grounds, while GT6 is certrainly better than GT5 in regard to physics, its still not that good.

And besides, I find it funny how I get bashed on a GranTurismoPlanet forum, I would expect this if it was a ForzaPlanet forum, we are all fans of the series and in this together along the Gran Turismo ride are we not.

Fawning praise of everything GT is not a part of the AUP nor a requirement for membership.

A good number of us here have been members for over a decade and have bought every GT title at release (including Prologues, Concepts, etc.), as such accusations that we are not on-board with the series is asinine.

Those of us who are long terms GT fans are complaining because we are deeply concerned about the direction the series has taken over the last two releases, and its something that we are perfectly entitled to do here.

GT Planet is for constructive discussion about both the pros and cons of GT (and other titles), if its a discussion that is only positive (and enforced in the way) then we are not the site for you (but the GT sub-forum over at the official Playstation website will be just right).

 

[Roflwaffle]

Seriously... all those things are good, but in the end, they would be only a very small part of what online racing is about.... It's about doing races with other people, and this is already there... you can do this right now.
For example, If you dont play an online game, only because there are no ranks... man, I think you dont care about having fun playing the game, you maybe only care about trying to get a good rank position, which is so silly if you ask me.

Are you actually arguing GT6 has good online... Because it has online? Its a pretty standard online as well, nothing interesting or revolutionary about it. You can't say when people argue against you about the online missing so many things after you said it was good, that you don't need any of these extra features, because that completely defeats the point. The online is able to connect people to a lobby (Barely ), and you are able to race against them is basically what you are saying. That has nothing to do with GT6's online being any good, it just shows you are very easy to please when it comes to online.

 

[vr6cas]

And now for the second straw man argument, attempting to deride material that has little or no relevance to the subject matter you're apparently incapable of defending.

What next, you going out in grand fashion exclaiming that you're tired of reading negative responses?

No not at all, in fact I welcome them, but it seems like when everybody is so negitive, people hate a somewhat positive response. I can defend myself pretty well but I think your going a little to deep into it T-12 don't ya think? T-12 has it out for me, lol, we can settle this on the track with a few laps around the ring.

 

[eSZee]

Silly remarks? It's called a debate/discussion. Sounds more like you had no retort so will just stick your fingers in your ears instead. Fair enough.

The fact he announced it publicly speaks volumes.

 

[NixxxoN]

Are you actually arguing GT6 has good online... Because it has online? Its a pretty standard online as well, nothing interesting or revolutionary about it. You can't say when people argue against you about the online missing so many things after you said it was good, that you don't need any of these extra features, because that completely defeats the point. The online is able to connect people to a lobby (Barely ), and you are able to race against them is basically what you are saying. That has nothing to do with GT6's online being any good, it just shows you are very easy to please when it comes to online.

Or maybe it shows that some of you are hard to please and/or easy to whine about stuff? Just saying

 

[Samus]

Or maybe it shows that some of you are hard to please and/or easy to whine about stuff? Just saying

Or....maybe you're easy to please.

 

[Roflwaffle]

Or maybe it shows that some of you are hard to please and/or easy to whine about stuff? Just saying

Err no. We not gonna be happy with the bare minimum online when it comes to one of the biggest racing game franchises of all time.

 

[eSZee]

And besides, I find it funny how I get bashed on a GranTurismoPlanet forum, I would expect this if it was a ForzaPlanet forum, we are all fans of the series and in this together along the Gran Turismo ride are we not.

Something tells me you'd get "bashed" no matter where you went.

 

[dice1998]

No not at all, in fact I welcome them, but it seems like when everybody is so negitive, people hate a somewhat positive response. I can defend myself pretty well but I think your going a little to deep into it T-12 don't ya think? T-12 has it out for me, lol, we can settle this on the track with a few laps around the ring.

Are you serious? Do you think this is god (or tom cruise) damn facebook or something?

Refute a point by challenging the person to a race? Seriously? You're not serious, right?

Please say you're not.

 

[eSZee]

I just don't understand why everybody is so negitive about GT6 when as a car guy, a true gear head there is alot to love about the game.

Other than the vast number of cars, what does GT6 offer "car guys"?
yes, this post is meant to point out it's all subjective
As a car guy, GT6 has almost nothing new to offer over GT5 or any other game out there.

No not at all, in fact I welcome them, but it seems like when everybody is so negitive, people hate a somewhat positive response. I can defend myself pretty well but I think your going a little to deep into it T-12 don't ya think? T-12 has it out for me, lol, we can settle this on the track with a few laps around the ring.

When will you start?

I feel really bad for Evolution Studios. Can't believe Sony is delaying that game for GT7... Sony is so blind to see what's going on with GT6, its not even selling all that well either.

GT7 won't be out this year(gt7p maybe in q4) and DC was supposed to be out within a couple months. There's no overlap there. The delay just drives the releases closer together which makes less sense.

 

[Ryan81]

Looks more and more like GT6 has been abandoned. Not much happening in the last 3 months. The M4 was about the only truly great thing.

 

[Lawndart]

For what its worth, I was at GDC this week and met someone who 'should' be in the know but was either very coy, or flippant to my light suggestive questions.

But he did confirm that GT 6 is definitely still supported in a big way and that PD 'do what they do' operating well off the Sony grid.

I asked about community features and after a relatively confused expression he said 'oh, leaderboards' So I guess that's what it's called internally. And he said that's planned for April.

That's really all I got pertaining to GT 6, as we had other business to discuss.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Seriously... all those things are good, but in the end, they would be only a very small part of what online racing is about.... It's about doing races with other people, and this is already there... you can do this right now.
For example, If you dont play an online game, only because there are no ranks... man, I think you dont care about having fun playing the game, you maybe only care about trying to get a good rank position, which is so silly if you ask me.

For sure leaderboards in a driving/racing game are just the epitomy of silliness. I mean what does keeping track of how fast you are in relation to your fellow drivers have to do with racing?

 

[NixxxoN]

Err no. We not gonna be happy with the bare minimum online when it comes to one of the biggest racing game franchises of all time.

It's not the bare minimum when all the main features are working already: What you guys ask for is for completely secondary stuff.

 

[Samus]

It's not the bare minimum when all the main features are working already: What you guys ask for is for completely secondary stuff.

Secondary stuff that pretty much every other game comes with as default. Whether you're happy with the minimum or not GT6 is not offering anything like what other games do when it comes to online and that is a FACT.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Looks more and more like GT6 has been abandoned. Not much happening in the last 3 months. The M4 was about the only truly great thing.

Oh how dare you..... You forgot about the Toyota FT-1. O_O

 

[NixxxoN]

For sure leaderboards in a driving/racing game are just the epitomy of silliness. I mean what does keeping track of how fast you are in relation to your fellow drivers have to do with racing?

Typical online leaderboards IMO are silly because they are not accurate nor do represent people's skills. People can cheat their way up by doing fake races - people can play 24h a day to go up faster, and stuff like that. I don't find them very useful.

Secondary stuff that pretty much every other game comes with as default. Whether you're happy with the minimum or not GT6 is not offering anything like what other games do when it comes to online and that is a FACT.

Some games have it, some games dont. I never missed them in the games that dont have it.

 

[Terronium-12]

No not at all, in fact I welcome them, but it seems like when everybody is so negitive, people hate a somewhat positive response. I can defend myself pretty well but I think your going a little to deep into it T-12 don't ya think? T-12 has it out for me, lol, we can settle this on the track with a few laps around the ring.

Tell me, what will a race between the two of us do for this discussion? I win, nothing happens. You win, nothing happens. You must take me for a person with an ego and not one with an intent to rationally discuss the topic at hand.

So your ultimatum has failed and is all the character assassination needed to end this discussion.

For what its worth, I was at GDC this week and met someone who 'should' be in the know but was either very coy, or flippant to my light suggestive questions.

But he did confirm that GT 6 is definitely still supported in a big way and that PD 'do what they do' operating well off the Sony grid.

I asked about community features and after a relatively confused expression he said 'oh, leaderboards' So I guess that's what it's called internally. And he said that's planned for April.

That's really all I got pertaining to GT 6, as we had other business to discuss.

I implore you and everyone else to take that with a fine grain of salt.

 

[Samus]

Typical online leaderboards IMO are silly because they are not accurate nor do represent people's skills. People can cheat their way up by doing fake races - people can play 24h a day to go up faster, and stuff like that. I don't find them very useful.

Some games have it, some games dont. I never missed them in the games that dont have it.

Once again you seem to be suggesting that because you don't personally like these features they don't matter and therefore GT6 online is great as it is.

"I don't want it so it doesn't matter" is basically your argument so far.

 

[Darren.]

I have to admit that I am 90% sure that PD has dropped support for GT6. It just isn't plausible that we have had to wait this long for an update that should've been out two months ago now. Although from around January, I knew GT6 wasn't getting as much "love" as its predecessor did.

Think of it this way, it took GT5 one month to get to version 1.05. For GT6 to get to 1.05, it took three times as long. You may argue that that doesn't matter, it is only a matter of three months since we all got our hands on GT6. But the numbers don't lie, and if all of PD isn't full steam ahead on GT7, think of how slow we'll be getting updates. Updates which contain features that were in the disc but were taken out to be re-added in later on as a "new feature".

If you were to go back to 1.0 release, you will notice there were two little options that contained the community features and the quick match mode. I know why they were taken out, but finishing them off is not a three month job. For a 100-man team like PD, these should have been wrapped up and given to us by about late December last year. But at the speed I believe they are at currently, one could easily mistake them for a 5-man indie developer. My point therefore is this- PD has changed with the times of game updates and things like that, albeit not in the way I had hoped for. When I think of Post-Launch support, GT5P is the perfect example of this. It was a demo of GT5 that kept on getting new features that weren't supposed to be in the release game but were added in. That is what I expected from GT6. I expected a game to build of the foundations that were laid by GT5 and expand on them and make everything better. Heck, I even wanted it to be a PS4 launch title. But as it was on PS3, I maintained my stance that they knew the PS3 and could push it to its theoretical limits. It had three years development time, which most developers don't even get nowadays, so I was sure it would be enough. But what I got at launch was a game that was at its core, better than GT5 and I'm sure everyone would agree with that. However, the level of new features made me ponder, "What were PD doing for three years?". You would think in three years, PD could have done at least all this:

And then we have this feature:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we already see this feature running in GT5 a while back? It can't be a hard job to pull the code over?

Even with updates now, it is very unlikely that PD are going to pull everyone back into GT6. This is where the PS4 comes in. As of currrent, the PS4 is practically begging for a good racing game- Driveclub is dead to me and Rivals well, let us not go into that. So I believe that PD are concentrating everything on getting GT7 out for us soon. However, my expectations are very high for this one. I expect everything that is shown to us to be in the game I buy at launch, and anything else added post launch to be an extra. I expect PD to be pro-consumer, to listen to what the fanbase wants and adjust their focusses accordingly. The times are changing, the internet is home to many developers that listen to their fans through mediums like Twitter, Forums and even their own websites. It is high time PD look at this, and change their strategies accordingly. Make a game that is consumer inspired, of which we have many ideas and GT will be back on track.

 

[NixxxoN]

Once again you seem to be suggesting that because you don't personally like these features they don't matter and therefore GT6 online is great as it is.

"I don't want it so it doesn't matter" is basically your argument so far.

And yours is "I want it therefore thats the only thing that matters, forget about the actual online racing"

 

[Samus]

And yours is "I want it therefore thats the only thing that matters, forget about the actual online racing"

No, it's not. My and others point is that FACTUALLY GT6 online is missing a lot of options and features and what it does have is very limited. Whether I want those features is irrelevant to that fact.

 

[vr6cas]

Tell me, what will a race between the two of us do for this discussion? I win, nothing happens. You win, nothing happens. You must take me for a person with an ego and not one with an intent to rationally discuss the topic at hand.

So your ultimatum has failed and is all the character assassination needed to end this discussion.



I implore you and everyone else to take that with a fine grain of salt.

Character assassination? Wth? Really uncalled for, you say you are rationally discusssing the topic, but it seems anything I say your coming at me. You mad bro?

 

[Streeto]

I have to admit that I am 90% sure that PD has dropped support for GT6. It just isn't plausible that we have had to wait this long for an update that should've been out two months ago now. Although from around January, I knew GT6 wasn't getting as much "love" as its predecessor did.

Think of it this way, it took GT5 one month to get to version 1.05. For GT6 to get to 1.05, it took three times as long. You may argue that that doesn't matter, it is only a matter of three months since we all got our hands on GT6. But the numbers don't lie, and if all of PD isn't full steam ahead on GT7, think of how slow we'll be getting updates. Updates which contain features that were in the disc but were taken out to be re-added in later on as a "new feature".

If you were to go back to 1.0 release, you will notice there were two little options that contained the community features and the quick match mode. I know why they were taken out, but finishing them off is not a three month job. For a 100-man team like PD, these should have been wrapped up and given to us by about late December last year. But at the speed I believe they are at currently, one could easily mistake them for a 5-man indie developer. My point therefore is this- PD has changed with the times of game updates and things like that, albeit not in the way I had hoped for. When I think of Post-Launch support, GT5P is the perfect example of this. It was a demo of GT5 that kept on getting new features that weren't supposed to be in the release game but were added in. That is what I expected from GT6. I expected a game to build of the foundations that were laid by GT5 and expand on them and make everything better. Heck, I even wanted it to be a PS4 launch title. But as it was on PS3, I maintained my stance that they knew the PS3 and could push it to its theoretical limits. It had three years development time, which most developers don't even get nowadays, so I was sure it would be enough. But what I got at launch was a game that was at its core, better than GT5 and I'm sure everyone would agree with that. However, the level of new features made me ponder, "What were PD doing for three years?". You would think in three years, PD could have done at least all this:

And then we have this feature:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we already see this feature running in GT5 a while back? It can't be a hard job to pull the code over?

Even with updates now, it is very unlikely that PD are going to pull everyone back into GT6. This is where the PS4 comes in. As of currrent, the PS4 is practically begging for a good racing game- Driveclub is dead to me and Rivals well, let us not go into that. So I believe that PD are concentrating everything on getting GT7 out for us soon. However, my expectations are very high for this one. I expect everything that is shown to us to be in the game I buy at launch, and anything else added post launch to be an extra. I expect PD to be pro-consumer, to listen to what the fanbase wants and adjust their focusses accordingly. The times are changing, the internet is home to many developers that listen to their fans through mediums like Twitter, Forums and even their own websites. It is high time PD look at this, and change their strategies accordingly. Make a game that is consumer inspired, of which we have many ideas and GT will be back on track.

You make very good points, but I do still have hopes for the features that are missing. If I have to wait until GT7 for a good course editor, which is the feature I'm looking forward to the most, I will be very disappointed.

I liked the part where you mentioned them acting like a team of 5 indie developers. Although, I'm pretty sure even a team like THAT would be pumping out more updates and communicating better than PD are right now.

There has to be a reason for their lack of communication, we just don't know yet, we may never know.

Or maybe we'll get a big update from them soon and everybody will forget about the bad start, one can only hope.