Has GT6 been abandoned by PD?

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No, they weren't. GT5 and 6 were only as "bad" as any other entry in the series.

GT1 was revolutionary. GT2 was a massive step up in content.
GT3 was a graphical revolution. GT4 was a massive step up in content.
GT5 was...mostly GT4, but some of it was quite pretty. GT6 is a cut down version of GT5.

GT5 and GT6 should not be even considered in the same league as the rest of the Gran Turismos. They are a big step backwards from what was one of the racing genre's top developers. They've gone from genre defining to not even able to keep up with the current state of play in their own genre.

The only area in which they are class leading these days is sheer number of cars and tracks, which is more willy waving than anything else.

GT6 is totally a complete game, we just need a few bugfixes.

No, it's not. It's missing features that were advertised. It is not complete, by the developer's own admission.

I'm pretty sure GT6 started on a earlier version of GT5, which would explain a lot.

Ah, so you're saying that PD is so incompetent that when they made improvements to GT5 they didn't carry them over to GT6 once the fork had been made. I can understand that, we're all frustrated by some of the bizarre design decisions on PD's part, particularly the ones that ended up in leaving out features from GT5.
 
Impatience is when you can't wait for something very long, but when something was announced months before and not delivered, it's called lying. The computer age seems to be causing us to accept promises and mediocrity more and more as acceptable. Apple, for example, among others telling people the next model will have the features that they promised in the last model working in this one and people sheeplike buying another generation and finding those same features still not working, yet accept it as "normal" and then do it all over again when the next "Next generation" comes out.

It may be old fashioned (Or not "fashionable") but if I buy a product that does not deliver, I don't give that company my business again. It's why I no longer have Fanatec equipment and doubt I will again.

If there was a delay in the other half of GT6, then PD should have in the LEAST announced it. Even a "Sorry guys, we miscalculated" is better then what we have been getting, which is nothing. Patience has nothing to do with more and more companies making big announcements and not delivering on them. They had no problem whatsoever making constant announcements about all the "exciting" new stuff back in November and December, and dead quiet since. Dead quiet since they sold the games............

So, they make a huge deal out of the movie about Kaz, and do all the build up and hype for GT6, but so far, there has been NO substance. 2 months ago, I was saying people were impatient also. But now? Not so much. Now they're right to be pissed.

As for albums, if I bought an album and half of it was blank, I highly doubt I'd trust that band enough to buy another one.
 
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I honestly can't see that there are any large numbers still playing GT5 that are waiting for the servers to go offline before they move onto GT6.

Indeed. To think that will have a massive positive uptick effect on sales is optimistic at best.

I'm not sure what that has to do with my post, at all, but what the heck.

That's ironic, since the vast majority of the rest of this quoted post had nothing to do with what I was getting at. My point was that I imagine your original "who did I blame" post was meant to point the finger at PD, in some heavy-handed sort of way to pretend you don't always blame Sony for any one of PD's messes. Which would be fine, if you (among others) wouldn't point to either GT PSP or Kaz' comments on wanting two more years for GT5. Whenever those two topics get brought up, it's implied that big-bad Sony was to blame for the "rushed" nature of GT5, and the majority of your "who did I blame" bullet-points can most certainly be put down to a lack of time.

Well, if you can call four-plus years a "lack of time"...

So now, here we are, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that pokes at the News tab first thing. This is an uncomfortable place to be in, hoping that Kaz will bless us with some of those promised features,

It's not a blessing when it's something you were told you'd be receiving.

and regardless of whether a GT7 Prologue is coming or not, we hope that GT6 will have more than a bow to wrap around it before they move on to the vast power grid offered by PS4.

I'm going to hold on to this one, to see how long "vast power grid" becomes "limiting factor in Kaz' vision".
 
Impatience is when you can't wait for something very long, but when something was announced months before and not delivered, it's called lying. The computer age seems to be causing us to accept promises and mediocrity more and more as acceptable. Apple, for example, among others telling people the next model will have the features that they promised in the last model working in this one and people sheeplike buying another generation and finding those same features still not working, yet accept it as "normal" and then do it all over again when the next "Next generation" comes out.

It may be old fashioned (Or not "fashionable") but if I buy a product that does not deliver, I don't give that company my business again. It's why I no longer have Fanatec equipment and doubt I will again.

If there was a delay in the other half of GT6, then PD should have in the LEAST announced it. Even a "Sorry guys, we miscalculated" is better then what we have been getting, which is nothing. Patience has nothing to do with more and more companies making big announcements and not delivering on them. They had no problem whatsoever making constant announcements about all the "exciting" new stuff back in November and December, and dead quiet since. Dead quiet since they sold the games............

So, they make a huge deal out of the movie about Kaz, and do all the build up and hype for GT6, but so far, there has been NO substance. 2 months ago, I was saying people were impatient also. But now? Not so much. Now they're right to be pissed.

As for albums, if I bought an album and half of it was blank, I highly doubt I'd trust that band enough to buy another one.




You know the worst part is the online community stuff, and seasonals, and all the stuff they could do to make re-playability a priority, and that they said they were going to do. We get nothing but lame-ass "superlap" seasonal? It's freaking 2014 and that is all they can muster? It's pathetic, especially when they announced all the community features like online event and championships, etc.

They're just a bunch of bald faced liars as far as I am concerned. It's a harsh accusation, but it is completely true. They are on top of that, uninspired, not creative in the least, have zero imagination, zero innovation.. they just act like they couldn't care less if paying customers and fans are happy or not. Their communication is crap. They deserve a lot worse than they'll ever get after the past couple of years.

All that and not to mention the pitstop tire bug that affect all the S-class races, the lame "let you win" AI that affect all the races, and the other bugs and omissions like camber not doing anything, dark cockpits, dark game a lot of the times, clutch being useless garbage of a simulation, etc. What is wrong with these people? It's as if they are trying to be complete *** holes on purpose.
 
...and we were all expecting something different this time around?

Remember the releasing of DLC content every two months for GT5? Remember the continued improvement by gradually replacing standard cars with premium ones?

Broken promises from GT5 and now GT6 looks like it will follow suit.
 
Remember the continued improvement by gradually replacing standard cars with premium ones?

To be fair, that wasn't really promised so much as suggested as a possibility; and Kaz made it clear not too long after that they weren't going to be focusing on doing that.
 
Shame no one at PD could make it to this event, the 2014 Techno Classica. It would have made their life so much easier since it is most important race cars in one area for a longer period of time than Goodwood.

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/event/345/2014-Techno-Classica.html
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No, they weren't. GT5 and 6 were only as "bad" as any other entry in the series.

GT6 is totally a complete game, we just need a few bugfixes. But hey, they wanna add nonsense like login bonuses and DLC anyway.

I'm pretty sure GT6 started on a earlier version of GT5, which would explain a lot.

Can I first point out that just like in your original "crappy album" analogy, the quality of GT5 and GT6 are subjective. To me yes, they were both bad.

Secondly as has already been pointed out, GT6 is far from being a complete game.
 
...and we were all expecting something different this time around?

Remember the releasing of DLC content every two months for GT5? Remember the continued improvement by gradually replacing standard cars with premium ones?

Broken promises from GT5 and now GT6 looks like it will follow suit.

Yeah, I think a lot of people were expecting something different. The hope was that GT5 was a blip, an aberration, a one-off. While all GT games had delays, they didn't all lack polish like GT5 did.

And besides, post-Spec 2.0 GT5 was developing into a pretty decent game, despite all PD's endless waffling. It wasn't unreasonable to think that they could take that as a foundation, build on it some more and come out with something really special again.

Instead they stripped a lot of what made GT5 good, "fixed" things that didn't need fixing, pumped up the already ludicrous content numbers to truly staggering heights, and called it GT6.

If GT6 had released with an online system equivalent to GT5's plus a matchmaking system (like, say, from GT5P), that would have been acceptable.
If GT6 had released with a new version of the GT5 course creator, that would have been disappointing but acceptable. There's still very little like it available outside of Modnation Racers and a lot of people had a good time with it.
If GT6 had released with B Spec equivalent to the GT4 version, that would have been very acceptable.

And so on. Rationally, there's no real reason why GT6 should lack so much that GT4 and GT5 had. I continue to find it bizarre that a developer can take such big steps backwards from game elements that actually worked, in favour of either stuff that's worse or nothing at all.

Yeah, we could have foreseen that anything they told us would turn out not to be true. It's tough to foresee a developer sabotaging their own game though.
 
The way I see it the only information that I trust is the one that is coming from the 'News' section of the Gran Turismo homepage. That has been somewhat reliable so far even if it many times doesn't say much.

All the interviews even written ones I take with a grain of salt. It's not that what is said is going to be released, because they know they are working on it otherwise they wouldn't mention the features. It's that the things they say aren't released right away, more like info on them are provided so that people will still be interested in the product aka having something to look forward to (till a new GT game is released?). You would probably have to wait several months to a year for them to be released from the time they are mentioned the first time.

Note that they rarely provide a date nowadays. Many probably remember the Red Bull incident where we were told that more events were supposed to be released the 1st Jan 2014. Later they changed that to the end of january but this time no specified exact date. Somehow it didn't make sense that they would release it the 1st as it said in the game because who has maintenance on the servers on New Years day.. and surely they didn't. At least we got a public apology back then.

Because of the many errors, things that weren't true.. example in an interview someone said one track a month (there are many more examples), they probably had to limit the information that is going out to the public so that the damage doesn't get worse. It's almost to a point where the information is nonexistant now.

All the features on the box will be released sometimes in the 'future', as they say. If they don't then people will sue as it would be false marketing (misleading) not receiving the product you paid for. Don't know where a court draws a line on how long it is acceptable to wait for something, but I guess more than a year doesn't sound good to them.

Sure hope that this trend will change sometime soon. Anybody can make an error but not apologizing and keeping quiet doesn't make things better just worse. Then again it's always tiresome to hear the same apologies over and over again. I would like to hear a public statement on why things came out the way they are now.

This has an impact on the GT brand and they should take this seriously and act fast to make things better, because the more they wait the more difficult it is to regain peoples trust. Some have more patience, some less. but everybody has a tipping point.
 
No, they weren't. GT5 and 6 were only as "bad" as any other entry in the series.

GT6 is totally a complete game, we just need a few bugfixes. But hey, they wanna add nonsense like login bonuses and DLC anyway.

I'm pretty sure GT6 started on a earlier version of GT5, which would explain a lot.

They were way worse then either gt game by far, standards over the years improve, as does the competition, GT has not, in many ways they have gone backwards.
 
To be honest, I still love GT6, but my answer was what I honestly think on this subject.
 
Im starting to think if they have no intention of adding the content that should have been in day one they should repackage the game and drop the price to £12.99 for "Gran turismo 7 prologue"
 
Yes thanks for the MONEY! Clowns will be back soon with GT 7 so save your MONEY! Be ready to pay full price again for a new disc, DLC, and really save for your online buying credits so you can buy your cars with real MONEY! so save! Save! And SAVE!! I can hear the Joker from Batman laughing at us right about NOW, thanks PD. Nice work real brilliant!!
 
Ah, this again, people deciding for us when we're being impatient. Maybe you can tell us how long it's acceptable to wait and be patient? 6 months? A year?



All of which would be solved if PD fixed one of the other issues people have with them, communication.



Yes, I've had that experience, but two bad albums in a row and I'd start to lose interest. GT5 and GT6 were those bad albums.
I cannot tell you how long to wait. The mere fact that you chose to bring negativity to a post where I was attempting to do the opposite only solidifies what I said. You, like many others, are disgruntled by the way PD is handling the situation and you have every right to. They definitely need to keep the fans more informed, but what do you intend to do to make it happen?
Personally, I will wait. Not because I want to, but because getting so upset over something you have no control over is a pointless endeavor.
As for whether I continue on to GT7, I honestly don't know. I generally only play to unwind after a long day at work, so buying a whole new system again is beginning to lose its appeal, but if GT7 is good enough, I might.
So, enjoy playing whatever you choose and most importantly, have fun doing it.
 
I cannot tell you how long to wait. The mere fact that you chose to bring negativity to a post where I was attempting to do the opposite only solidifies what I said. You, like many others, are disgruntled by the way PD is handling the situation and you have every right to. They definitely need to keep the fans more informed, but what do you intend to do to make it happen?
Personally, I will wait. Not because I want to, but because getting so upset over something you have no control over is a pointless endeavor.
As for whether I continue on to GT7, I honestly don't know. I generally only play to unwind after a long day at work, so buying a whole new system again is beginning to lose its appeal, but if GT7 is good enough, I might.
So, enjoy playing whatever you choose and most importantly, have fun doing it.
I think you're over reaching with assuming someone is "so upset" because they don't like the way the game is handled. Believe it or not, we're more than capable of having a spirited debate without being all emotional about it. Try sticking to the topic at hand instead of trying to tell people how they think or feel and you'll be fine.
 
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I cannot tell you how long to wait. The mere fact that you chose to bring negativity to a post where I was attempting to do the opposite only solidifies what I said. You, like many others, are disgruntled by the way PD is handling the situation and you have every right to. They definitely need to keep the fans more informed, but what do you intend to do to make it happen?
Personally, I will wait. Not because I want to, but because getting so upset over something you have no control over is a pointless endeavor.
As for whether I continue on to GT7, I honestly don't know. I generally only play to unwind after a long day at work, so buying a whole new system again is beginning to lose its appeal, but if GT7 is good enough, I might.
So, enjoy playing whatever you choose and most importantly, have fun doing it.

A very valid response.
 
I cannot tell you how long to wait. The mere fact that you chose to bring negativity to a post where I was attempting to do the opposite only solidifies what I said. You, like many others, are disgruntled by the way PD is handling the situation and you have every right to. They definitely need to keep the fans more informed, but what do you intend to do to make it happen?
Personally, I will wait. Not because I want to, but because getting so upset over something you have no control over is a pointless endeavor.
As for whether I continue on to GT7, I honestly don't know. I generally only play to unwind after a long day at work, so buying a whole new system again is beginning to lose its appeal, but if GT7 is good enough, I might.
So, enjoy playing whatever you choose and most importantly, have fun doing it.

I'm not upset, I just find it irritating when someone responds to these issues with "be patient" as if it's our fault for expecting these features so soon. We've been patient for nigh on four months now, patience has worn thin. Yes, there is nothing else left to do but wait but that doesn't mean people won't come here to air their grievances and as I say, being told to be patient in response is just rather irritating. It's no more constructive that those airing the grievance in the first place.
 
All the features on the box will be released sometimes in the 'future', as they say. If they don't then people will sue as it would be false marketing (misleading) not receiving the product you paid for. Don't know where a court draws a line on how long it is acceptable to wait for something, but I guess more than a year doesn't sound good to them.

So to avoid such 'false marketing' they would have to send me a physical copy of the GT Apex II book that was promised with the Anniversary Edition pre-order? Like I can see that happening! Even though a 'physical' edition of the book was not specifically written I still haven't received a digital version or access to such. They have already falsely advertised this product and my first pre-order in years, hoping that this would be an improvement over GT5, has now become the last time I will ever pre-order again.

I have never had a 'complete lack of interest' develop so quickly into the playing of a GT game as this version and I don't tire or bore of things easily.

Going back to the OP and the vote results - it looks like a fairly even split between the options but with 'YES' starting to pull ahead. 37% of those who voted in the poll feel that GT6 has been abandoned and only 29% feel that it hasn't. Surely this is not good for the publicity of PD and the GT series?
 
Yeah, I think a lot of people were expecting something different. The hope was that GT5 was a blip, an aberration, a one-off. While all GT games had delays, they didn't all lack polish like GT5 did.

And besides, post-Spec 2.0 GT5 was developing into a pretty decent game, despite all PD's endless waffling. It wasn't unreasonable to think that they could take that as a foundation, build on it some more and come out with something really special again.

Instead they stripped a lot of what made GT5 good, "fixed" things that didn't need fixing, pumped up the already ludicrous content numbers to truly staggering heights, and called it GT6.

If GT6 had released with an online system equivalent to GT5's plus a matchmaking system (like, say, from GT5P), that would have been acceptable.
If GT6 had released with a new version of the GT5 course creator, that would have been disappointing but acceptable. There's still very little like it available outside of Modnation Racers and a lot of people had a good time with it.
If GT6 had released with B Spec equivalent to the GT4 version, that would have been very acceptable.

And so on. Rationally, there's no real reason why GT6 should lack so much that GT4 and GT5 had. I continue to find it bizarre that a developer can take such big steps backwards from game elements that actually worked, in favour of either stuff that's worse or nothing at all.

Yeah, we could have foreseen that anything they told us would turn out not to be true. It's tough to foresee a developer sabotaging their own game though.

Indeed, for all its faults I thought GT5 was a pretty solid platform for a new game as far as online gameplay was concerned. I had doubts about whether sounds would be fixed and thought it unlikely that damage got serious work, but the features for online were functional and there were some little things that could've made them much better if there were some well-thought changes.
 
I'm not upset, I just find it irritating when someone responds to these issues with "be patient" as if it's our fault for expecting these features so soon. We've been patient for nigh on four months now, patience has worn thin. Yes, there is nothing else left to do but wait but that doesn't mean people won't come here to air their grievances and as I say, being told to be patient in response is just rather irritating. It's no more constructive that those airing the grievance in the first place.
No kidding how much more patience can one have with this gt6 game? It's been "FIVE" STINKING YEARS!! since gt5 what in the WORLD have they been doing in between the years? Making gt academy shows? Kaz driving around Nuremberg in a PlayStation gtr? C'mon seriously? The only thing left there is to do is bitch about it, this game should of been PERFECT! why do you think we complain? If you build it they will come, well if you complain the word will be heard and that's what were doing hoping to be heard if we didn't care about this game we wouldn't be here,Look around every post the majority is NOT HAPPY!
 
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No kidding how much more patience can one have with this gt6 game? It's been "FIVE" STINKING YEARS!! since gt5 what in the WORLD have they been doing in between the years? Making gt academy shows? Kaz driving around Nuremberg in a PlayStation gtr? C'mon seriously? The only left there is to do is bitch about it, this game should of been PERFECT! why do you think we complain? If you build it they will come, well if you complain the word will be heard and that's what were doing hoping to be heard if we didn't care about this game we wouldn't be here,Look around every post the majority is NOT HAPPY!
Tell us how you really feel, stop holding back:lol:
 
So to avoid such 'false marketing' they would have to send me a physical copy of the GT Apex II book that was promised with the Anniversary Edition pre-order? Like I can see that happening! Even though a 'physical' edition of the book was not specifically written I still haven't received a digital version or access to such. They have already falsely advertised this product and my first pre-order in years, hoping that this would be an improvement over GT5, has now become the last time I will ever pre-order again.

I have never had a 'complete lack of interest' develop so quickly into the playing of a GT game as this version and I don't tire or bore of things easily.

Going back to the OP and the vote results - it looks like a fairly even split between the options but with 'YES' starting to pull ahead. 37% of those who voted in the poll feel that GT6 has been abandoned and only 29% feel that it hasn't. Surely this is not good for the publicity of PD and the GT series?

My exact thought. I do not bore easily. I played GT5 until I had LVL 40 A-spec, and all of the cars, premium and standard. Did all the endurance races except insane 24hour ones. I got bored of GT6 in a few weeks. I could never play for more than a couple hours at a time. The boring, slow ai is horrible.

I pre-ordered GT6 on PSN after all the hype and I knew it couldn't be that bad, I mean it had to be at least as good as GT5, right? No. $60 down the drain, 100% completion in a couple months, not even playing much, trying to make it last by doing races more than once, with different cars, etc.

I don't know if it's the smug, arrogant attitude that Kaz has while he lies to your face, or what, but the more I think about how much he lied about before the game was released, and how bad the game actually is, the more pissed off I get about it. I hate it that I let myself get sucked into the BS of Kaz again. Never again will I pre-order a GT game.
 
GT1 was revolutionary. GT2 was a massive step up in content.
GT3 was a graphical revolution. GT4 was a massive step up in content.
GT5 was...mostly GT4, but some of it was quite pretty. GT6 is a cut down version of GT5.

I mostly agree with you. As my friend said, "every GT was a step foward, except GT6". I think this would be a bit more realistic:

GT1 was revolutionary. GT2 was a massive step up in content.
GT3 was a graphical revolution. GT4 was a massive step up in content.
GT5 was a bit of graphical revolution and a bit of online revolution. GT6 should be a massive step up in content, but it is just a cut down version of GT5.
 
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