Has GT6 been abandoned by PD?

[Ialyrn]

Ok well since it's so funny, let me see you go and create car sim better than this. I'll wait. I did'nt think so, not so easy is it.

Actually it would be very easy to create a racing game, may not be on par with GT or Forza physics wise, and miles away from what a PC racing sim offers in that regard; but graphically and in an arcade style it is very much possible in a 3/4 year time frame by independent individuals. And this is while still working day jobs during development

To make a car for a game on the graphical level used by T10, PD, Simbin (ect you get the point), is relatively easy in all fairness. For the hobbyists 3d modelers out in the world, a Mclaren P1 (as an example) can be modeled with relative ease within a 2/3 month time scale using only blueprints and photographic reference by one person. This includes the engine, underpinnings, and interior! A track will take longer, but even using GPS data, photo reference, and measurements of the track surface, a track with good graphical quality can be made in 6 months too a year/year and a half.

As for coding, again for someone accomplished with, it is very possible for a small group of friends to make a game engine from scratch in a couple of years. It is also possible to purchase game engines from certain developers also, which can reduce the time frame considerably.

The issues all comes down to funding for licensing fees and research for physics data, and although that is possible with the use of kickstarter programs; it would be difficult (not impossible) for an unknown independent dev studio to gain those licensing agreements and get the r/d done.

In the end the biggest thing PD have going for them, is Sony's name and money. The same goes for T10, who have Microsoft's name and their money to play with. So they can quite easily sit down with car manufacturers and track owners to talk deals through, and with a lot of financial backing.

 

[apexpredator100]

Amazes me the sheer number of PD apologist on this forum.

If you are referring to the people who voted "No", then I don't see what's wrong with voting for the option. It's foolish to think that PD has abandoned Gran Turismo 6 just because updates haven't been rolling out more frequently with the with the promised features included. Abandonment would imply that PD has stopped supporting the game, and will no longer roll out any more updates.

We know that B-Spec, community features, Course Maker, etc... are gonna come in updates some time in the future, but the question is when will the updates arrive? I'm guessing that PD doesn't want to give out a specific date on releasing the updates, so they don't have to worry about missing the deadline, and pushing the date back further like they did with the Red Bull events, but not giving us any form of communication at all isn't making things better.

 

[Samus]

Many of GT6 technical shortcomings are because of the hardware. I'm having a hard time believing it would be a worse game then GT6. I'm fine with the game as it is, it's just sad to see all that development time go into a product that could have been better. Plus you know, had soft sales(not that we as gamers should care, but it will no doubt have an inpact of some kind at PD HQ).

It was still PD who made the choice and the failings, it's ridiculous to blame the fans. Besides as with GT5 whilst some issues are hardware related just as many are not, they're just poor design and decisions by PD.

 

[Raggadish]

It was still PD who made the choice and the failings, it's ridiculous to blame the fans. Besides as with GT5 whilst some issues are hardware related just as many are not, they're just poor design and decisions by PD.

For me, the technical problems are the worst offender since I actually think they made an otherwise good game. So I still blame (indirectly) that those who wanted GT6 [PS3] and all the technical shortcomings that would mean compared to a PS4 version.

 

[Samus]

For me, the technical problems are the worst offender since I actually think they made an otherwise good game. So I still blame (indirectly) that those who wanted GT6 [PS3] and all the technical shortcomings that would mean compared to a PS4 version.

Still don't see how you can blame them in any way since there is no way on earth they had any sway in what game PD made, but ok.

 

[Raggadish]

Still don't see how you can blame them in any way since there is no way on earth they had any sway in what game PD made, but ok.

It's me blaming the cosmic effects of people wanting GT6 [PS3] more then anything else really, lol.

 

[eSZee]

Amazes me the sheer number of PD apologist on this forum.

There really aren't that many.

Many of GT6 technical shortcomings are because of the hardware.

It's PD's job to design a game for the hardware they're given.
That's like trying to insert a round block into a square hole and saying it's the hole's fault the block doesn't fit.
No, it's not the the hole. It's the idiot holding the block.

 

[Johnnypenso]

There really aren't that many.

It's PD's job to design a game for the hardware they're given.
That's like trying to insert a round block into a square hole and saying it's the hole's fault the block doesn't fit.
No, it's not the the hole. It's the idiot holding the block.

But...but...but...Sony....

 

[Agent_47]

Many of GT6 technical shortcomings are because of the hardware. I'm having a hard time believing it would be a worse game then GT6. I'm fine with the game as it is, it's just sad to see all that development time go into a product that could have been better. Plus you know, had soft sales(not that we as gamers should care, but it will no doubt have an inpact of some kind at PD HQ).

So no B-Spec, no DLC, a lack of customization options compared to its competitors like Forza, is the fault of PS3 hardware? We had all this in GT5 and it was never a problem.

 

[occasionalracer]

You know, I think what could really save GT6 (as a person who believes it needs saving/rejigging), is a very very soon spec 2.0, much like GT5s, maybe even a 1.5, you know actually finish the game they said they'd deliver at launch, idk, that might actually be enough to get us not bored for some months at the very least.

Oh, and here's a thought, BRING BACK SEASONALS PD.

I definitely think PD will continue to update and perhaps even 'up the spec' and repackage the disc a la GT5:Academy Edition (EU) / GT5:XL (NA).. PS3 will be sold around the world for many years still.. I'm going to say a solid 3 years mostly in economically emerging countries but also just re-buys across the globe due to failing units. There is no way they're not going to improve funcionality, add a bit more content and weed out more bugs on this flagship racing game. They can easily sell the updated game at a non-bargain price for an extended year and slowly but surely sell a few million more units.. even GT4 was selling by the 100's of thousands while GT5 was out. But I'm sure Sony is on PD's tailbone to get GT7 finished to keep bumping PS4 sales.. it's a balancing act. They're not going to abondon this thing.

 

[Imari]

They're not going to abondon this thing.

I'm not sure that's a given at this point. We're coming up on April, and we've had one VGT, a couple of promo cars, a Youtube flight of fancy, a group of promo events/cars, and some bug fixes and some minor usability twiddling.

It's not abandoned, but either they're not working on it very hard or something has gone catastrophically wrong.

 

[Squanto]

I still don't think so but... 600 participants should make Kaz cry... With the outcome of this poll...

These are 600 die-hard GT fans....

 

[Polsixe]

I understand that modeller is almost finished rendering the inside of the Colosseum and will then be able to get on to other things. Priorities you know.

 

[occasionalracer]

I'm not sure that's a given at this point. We're coming up on April, and we've had one VGT, a couple of promo cars, a Youtube flight of fancy, a group of promo events/cars, and some bug fixes and some minor usability twiddling.

It's not abandoned, but either they're not working on it very hard or something has gone catastrophically wrong.

Catastrophically wrong in terms of easily getting anything they've advertised/'promised' that's currently omited in the game, yes, it's definitely pointing the finger at a never-ending loop of error in their trial runs on PS3 hardware.. I have always been 'on PD's side' because I know they outshot their goals with the complexity and probably wasting a lot of time trying to get certain things running.. it's pretty evident, people here claiming this and that about PD being lazy and incompetent is laughable.. I just hope they do add functionality wherever they can and then forget about it in a year or so.

I still don't think so but... 600 participants should make Kaz cry... With the outcome of this poll...

These are 600 die-hard GT fans....

While this forum is a great reference for PD for bug reports, improvement ideas, content wishes and gripes.. I'm not sure 600 people voicing they're split opinion is the actual reference point.. online server activity and sales would be. We should be on the horizon of getting an updated offical sales number, that'll tell us how it's fairing as a whole, but I think PD is more concerned about the user-base online.. I'm guessing there's a certain amount of continual logon's they are trying to reach before releasing DLC. It'll be interesting to see how long GT6 servers will stay up after 7 comes out, hopefully well into 2016.

 

[Imari]

...people here claiming this and that about PD being lazy and incompetent is laughable...

Well, as I said, there's two ways of looking at it. Either they're not working very hard or it's gone catastrophically wrong.

Not working very hard = lazy.
Announcing features before you have solid information to indicate that you can implement them = incompetent.

I feel sorry for them if things have gone wrong, but then they shouldn't have tried to boost sales of their game by announcing features that were horribly ambitious. Any fool can claim to put any number of revolutionary features in their game. The actual implementation is always the hard part, and PD should know that by now. I know that, and I'm not even a developer (well, I am, just not for games).

 

[occasionalracer]

Well, as I said, there's two ways of looking at it. Either they're not working very hard or it's gone catastrophically wrong.

Not working very hard = lazy.
Announcing features before you have solid information to indicate that you can implement them = incompetent.

I feel sorry for them if things have gone wrong, but then they shouldn't have tried to boost sales of their game by announcing features that were horribly ambitious. Any fool can claim to put any number of revolutionary features in their game. The actual implementation is always the hard part, and PD should know that by now. I know that, and I'm not even a developer (well, I am, just not for games).

Definitely, they certainly have at least some work to do to not make a completely failed impession in the competentcy department.

 

[Imari]

I imagine the **** will really hit the fan if we pass the Senna anniversary without the Senna content being released. They made a big fuss about that one.

 

[Highlandor]

Whether PD have or haven't given up on GT6 isn't as important as all the GT fans who have given up on PD owing to GT5 & GT6.

 

[dr3w]

I've been abandoning GT6 for a month now

 

[lancia delta hf]

Something to ponder is that PD/Sony would have had projected sales of gt6 in mind and projected sales of DLC based on projected sales on GT6 and their failure to comprehend the situation (or pure ignorance) that GT5 created amongst disgruntled gt fans pooped on their sales estimations and have likely been working on plan B. Plan B being GT7P and not wasting resources at this moment on new progected DLC sales figures they dont like, Which for me would mean them digging themselves a deeper whole by not prioritising the promises they made to me through GT6.

 

[CarBastard]

Many of GT6 technical shortcomings are because of the hardware. I'm having a hard time believing it would be a worse game then GT6. I'm fine with the game as it is, it's just sad to see all that development time go into a product that could have been better. Plus you know, had soft sales(not that we as gamers should care, but it will no doubt have an inpact of some kind at PD HQ).

Except GT6s shortcomings ARE NOT TECHNICAL. I don't complain about the physics (I love them) or the graphics (Some of the best made for the PS3 and sometimes even up to PC standardsd), I complain about most design desicions that reflect an awfully poor judgment and an utter disregard for the community of players, the competition and even common sense.

PD are technical geniuses, but they've become really pathetic when it comes to choose which content to add to their games and how to design something as simple as a compelling and entertaining career mode. That's what I, and I think most of us vocal critics of PD, feel.

 

[Ferrari458Italia]

Considering how the last patch was what, 3 months ago? yeah I think it has been abandoned. they haven't announced ANYTHING new lately

 

[spencer7x7]

Considering how the last patch was what, 3 months ago? yeah I think it has been abandoned. they haven't announced ANYTHING new lately

Technically it was like 2 weeks ago. Besides, DOA5 Ultimate STILL has new content and patches despite it being OLDER than GT6, although most of DOAs content was released at launch, and GT6 still has some updates left.

 

[e30 freek]

Screw sony

 

[TokoTurismo]

I imagine the **** will really hit the fan if we pass the Senna anniversary without the Senna content being released. They made a big fuss about that one.

That is the ONE thing PD shouldn't screw up, and if they do. Oooooh are they in for a huge back lash.

 

[Tenacious D]

You still haven't shown any evidence Sony were pushing for a PS4 game during PS3 development. None at all, but you push it as a reason for GT6's failures.

I didn't say that SONY was pushing for a PS4 game DURING GT6's development. And just to be explicit, between November 2010 and January 2014.

 

[Imari]

It's probably worth noting that anything patch-worthy in April will likely just be rolled into the Senna patch, either for convenience or just to make it look more impressive.

If we don't get something this week or next, I wouldn't expect anything until the 1st of May.


And I agree @TokoTurismo. Messing with the Senna name is a big deal. It's not really any different to any of the other stuff they're doing, but having that name attached makes people get all emotional. If they fluff it, I expect internet anorak rage of epic proportions.

I'm happy either way. Either we get Senna content, or PD gets a swift, sharp kick in the jigglies. I'm actually looking forward to it for a change.

 

[CarBastard]

That is the ONE thing PD shouldn't screw up, and if they do. Oooooh are they in for a huge back lash.

Ayrton Senna is a pretty big name with a huge following. Adding to that, Kappadia's documentary just launched the Senna name to incredible stardom and now Senna is in the hearts of millions of fanboys who consider him untouchable. If PD fails to deliver it'll be a HUGE hit, specially here in South America where all GT6 boxes had the Ayrton Senna sticker on them. Senna's license, as I see it, might be PDs Waterloo if not handled properly. There's a lot in terms of public perception of Gran Turismo as a brand at stake and if PS2 assets didn't drive everyone away, not treating the name of Senna properly just might...

 

[Johnnypenso]

If PD fails to deliver it'll be a HUGE hit, specially here in South America where all GT6 boxes had the Ayrton Senna sticker on them. Senna's license, as I see it, might be PDs Waterloo if not handled properly. There's a lot in terms of public perception of Gran Turismo as a brand at stake and if PS2 assets didn't drive everyone away, not treating the name of Senna properly just might...

This is one fail that Kaz would probably issue a statement about because it's more personal, unlike disappointing millions of fans which doesn't seem to bother him. With Senna's name attached to it, and some tie in with the Institute, I can see if this one is late, Kaz or PD issuing an apology with a brief explanation, blaming it on some generic production delay or some such thing.

 

[TokoTurismo]

And I agree @TokoTurismo. Messing with the Senna name is a big deal. It's not really any different to any of the other stuff they're doing, but having that name attached makes people get all emotional. If they fluff it, I expect internet anorak rage of epic proportions.

I'm happy either way. Either we get Senna content, or PD gets a swift, sharp kick in the jigglies. I'm actually looking forward to it for a change.

Agreed with everything you said @Imari, and I too look forward to it. 👍 Man, I feel so scared just imagining the rage people will be towards PD. I can't wait to see it! I'll be sure to provide some popcorn as well.

Ayrton Senna is a pretty big name with a huge following. Adding to that, Kappadia's documentary just launched the Senna name to incredible stardom and now Senna is in the hearts of millions of fanboys who consider him untouchable. If PD fails to deliver it'll be a HUGE hit, specially here in South America where all GT6 boxes had the Ayrton Senna sticker on them. Senna's license, as I see it, might be PDs Waterloo if not handled properly. There's a lot in terms of public perception of Gran Turismo as a brand at stake and if PS2 assets didn't drive everyone away, not treating the name of Senna properly just might...

Ahh man. I can just feel PD messing this up, I just know it. Then they "might" say (which I highly doubt), "bu bu bu it's being prepared for GT7 (full game) please be excited!"