Has GT6 been abandoned by PD?

[ukfan758]

This is one fail that Kaz would probably issue a statement about because it's more personal, unlike disappointing millions of fans which doesn't seem to bother him. With Senna's name attached to it, and some tie in with the Institute, I can see if this one is late, Kaz or PD issuing an apology with a brief explanation, blaming it on some generic production delay or some such thing.

It would probably be the same lame old excuse of "the ps3 is not powerful enough" or some other bull:censored: like that if there was Senna Content delay.

 

[Tenacious D]

Something to ponder is that PD/Sony would have had projected sales of gt6 in mind and projected sales of DLC based on projected sales on GT6 and their failure to comprehend the situation (or pure ignorance) that GT5 created amongst disgruntled gt fans

I have to *record scratch* here. GT5 reached 10 million copies sold faster than GT4 did. They sold another million copies last year. I'm aware that GT Planet is becoming a war zone like China in Battlefield 4. But out in the real world, it seems the discontent just isn't there.

So whatever is going on with GT6 sales, I think the biggest reason for any numbers dropping is PS4. To my knowledge, this is the first time a flagship game was released for the old system after the new console shipped. I know that many here insist that GT6 is the worst game in history. Well, supposedly GT5 walked off with that crown, and it still sold in crazy numbers. So what's up with everything? Maybe we're all wrong.

I'm happy either way. Either we get Senna content, or PD gets a swift, sharp kick in the jigglies. I'm actually looking forward to it for a change.

Honestly, that's rather sad...

 

[Maccer_42]

Abandoned is a strong accusation, but it seems clear to me PD over exaggerated on what they are capable of delivering.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I have to *record scratch* here. GT5 reached 10 million copies sold faster than GT4 did. They sold another million copies last year. I'm aware that GT Planet is becoming a war zone like China in Battlefield 4. But out in the real world, it seems the discontent just isn't there.

So whatever is going on with GT6 sales, I think the biggest reason for any numbers dropping is PS4. To my knowledge, this is the first time a flagship game was released for the old system after the new console shipped. I know that many here insist that GT6 is the worst game in history. Well, supposedly GT5 walked off with that crown, and it still sold in crazy numbers. So what's up with everything? Maybe we're all wrong.

Honestly, that's rather sad...

Sales of GT5 does not measure discontent with GT5 which is what you are suggesting. You have to buy something before you get discontented, so the real discontent shows up in the sales of the following game...aka GT6. GT5 sold 60% of it's final total in the first couple of months and I'd say the vast majority of those were people who bought the game on the GT reputation alone. I'm sure many people were frustrated and gave up on GT5 long before the updates that made the game more playable and those are probably the discontented people that chose not to buy GT6. The other 40% of sales came over 3 years and many of those could be bundled or picked up at a big discount, again, because of the name on the box.

I'm sure PS4 plays some part but there is no way you can simply rule out a hangover effect from GT5 just because it sold well.

 

[Imari]

Honestly, that's rather sad...

Why? At least with this, even if they cock it up I get some entertainment as they try to apologise for defiling the immortal spirit of Senna. What else do we have to look forward to in GT6?

I was looking forward to seeing what Zahara was like, but that could be any time from now until forever before I get to see it.
I was looking forward to more VGTs, but at this point it doesn't seem like something that is actually happening. I'll look forward to it when they're actually releasing some.
I'm "looking forward" to Course Creator and some updated online, if and when they come, but with no date on them it's not so much a case of something to look forward to as something to hope that it turns up eventually.

Senna is about the only thing we have a solid date on right now. Everything else is "sometime in the 12 months after release". It's tough to look forward to something without at least some idea of when (or if) it might happen. Or rather, it's not tough, but PD has trained me not to look forward to stuff that they haven't put a solid date on, because all they can be relied upon to do is be unreliable.

I know that many here insist that GT6 is the worst game in history. Well, supposedly GT5 walked off with that crown, and it still sold in crazy numbers. So what's up with everything? Maybe we're all wrong.

GT5 was the worst game in the series (bar possibly GTPSP), until GT6 came along.

I notice that Sony still aren't making GT6 sales numbers public. The price has gone through the floor. However much it is or isn't selling, I doubt Sony and PD are particularly happy about it.

GT6 may pick up a lot of sales in it's second year, after all the patches make it more feature rich and it's sitting in the bargain bin for $10. It's a cracker of a game for that price. But it would seem that people are less inclined to pay big dollars for it this time.

It's not because they all have PS4s, because not that many PS4s have sold yet. GT5 sold 10 million copies to 80 million PS3s, 1/8th of owners bought a copy of GT5. Let's say there's 6 million PS4s, and let's be really generous and say that a third of those early adopters are GT5 purchasers who didn't buy GT6 because they had a PS4. So GT6 has lost 2 million sales.

GT5 sold 6 million in the first two months. So if it was pegging even with GT5 minus the PS4 loss, which was generous, it'd be around 4 million. We'll never be sure until Sony release numbers, if they ever do, but I find it hard to believe that the VGChartz numbers are only half of the true numbers. They're inaccurate, but not that inaccurate.

 

[eSZee]

I imagine the **** will really hit the fan if we pass the Senna anniversary without the Senna content being released. They made a big fuss about that one.

I THINK that there might possibly maybe have been some issue they ran into that set them back quite a bit. They put fixing that issue on the backburner and are fully concentrating on the SENNA content.
There's no way they'll screw SENNA up.

 

[Imari]

There's no way they'll screw SENNA up.

You'd think so. But then I'd have thought they wouldn't possibly have announced monthly track DLC without holding a few back to cover the first two or three months.

I agree that if Senna isn't finished now, their best bet is to drop everything else and make sure that Senna hits on time.

 

[Samus]

They can screw anything up. Just look at their weak ass Top Gear conent in GT5.

 

[machschnel]

To my knowledge, this is the first time a flagship game was released for the old system after the new console shipped.

GTAV, although it was released a few weeks before the PS4 (GT6 a few weeks after). Can't see it making that much of a difference.

God of War 2 was released on PS2 well after the PS3 was released also. In fact, I remember watching the special features after playing the game - they explained that they released it on the PS2 because they wanted to give the console a proper send off with a really good game.

 

[Samus]

80 million PS3s. 6 million PS4s. Even if they all ditched their PS3 that is still 74m that could have bought GT6. After all, that was the number one cited reason for a PS3 game in the first place. PS4 is certainly not the main reason GT6 has tanked in sales.

 

[jimipitbull]

80 million PS3s. 6 million PS4s. Even if they all ditched their PS3 that is still 74m that could have bought GT6. After all, that was the number one cited reason for a PS3 game in the first place. PS4 is certainly not the main reason GT6 has tanked in sales.

That other guy's opinion sounds more realistic.

 

[MXH]

So whatever is going on with GT6 sales, I think the biggest reason for any numbers dropping is PS4.

Yet, one of the reasons to release the game on the PS3 was due to the expected low initial installbase on the PS4 and the little influence it would have on GT6's sales. Hurr durr.

There's no way they'll screw SENNA up.

Saving this quote for future use. Just in case.

 

[NLxAROSA]

GTAV, although it was released a few weeks before the PS4 (GT6 a few weeks after).

I'm willing to bet a few beers that GTAV will also be released on PS4 and XBox One, right along with the PC release.

 

[acidreach]

nothing more than a gut feeling but i feel PD has almost entirely dropped gt6.

 

[Tenacious D]

Yet, one of the reasons to release the game on the PS3 was due to the expected low initial installbase on the PS4 and the little influence it would have on GT6's sales. Hurr durr.

I was in the thick of that debate. Not sure where you were, d'oh.

But...but...but...Sony....

You guys who do this are missing a huge hunk of plank.

You act like PD is SO intertwined with SONY that their offices are right next door to the boardroom, and a money chute feeds into it dropping hundreds of thousands of yen a day. But then when it suits you, Polyphony resides in a clandestine bunker, and SONY suits can't even buy a clue to their secret handshake to see if they're even working on a game from year to year.

You can't have it both ways. And that's not how things work on the planet Earth I live on.

By the way, this planet is so sad that GTA could release exclusively on Android phones for a year, and ten million would pick it up.

One more thing. I'm not arguing GT6 sales numbers, I'm mulling over factors of gamer reception.

 

[jimipitbull]

nothing more than a gut feeling but i feel PD has almost entirely dropped gt6.

I get a feeling in my gut when I'm about to drop something.

Perhaps you are telepathic?

 

[Imari]

You act like PD is SO intertwined with SONY that their offices are right next door to the boardroom, and a money chute feeds into it dropping hundreds of thousands of yen a day. But then when it suits you, Polyphony resides in a clandestine bunker, and SONY suits can't even buy a clue to their secret handshake to see if they're even working on a game from year to year.

What?

As far as I've seen, you're the one who seems convinced that PD is more or less Sony by another name. And I'm not sure I've seen many people claim that PD is wholly independent of Sony's influence. We're all well aware who ultimately writes the cheques.

Do you have any examples of a single person playing both sides of the fence on this? You know, ones who aren't being enormously sarcastic?

 

[jimipitbull]

Do you have any examples of a single person playing both sides of the fence on this? You know, ones who aren't being enormously sarcastic?

Here's an example.

And I agree @TokoTurismo. Messing with the Senna name is a big deal. It's not really any different to any of the other stuff they're doing, but having that name attached makes people get all emotional. If they fluff it, I expect internet anorak rage of epic proportions.

I'm happy either way. Either we get Senna content, or PD gets a swift, sharp kick in the jigglies. I'm actually looking forward to it for a change.

This post demonstrates the lack of respect you have for Senna, his fans and PD.

 

[Imari]

This post demonstrates the lack of respect you have for Senna, his fans and PD.

I'm sorry, how is that post disrespecting Senna or his fans?

Besides, TD was referring to people playing both sides of the management game with PD. Are they or aren't they under Sony's thumb. My post that you quoted has absolutely nothing to do with that.

 

[Davoxx]

I'm sorry, how is that post disrespecting Senna or his fans?

I'm curious me too ???

 

[jimipitbull]

I'm sorry, how is that post disrespecting Senna or his fans?

Well, you said you will be happy if PD makes Senna's fans angry.

 

[Imari]

You said you will enjoy it if PD makes Senna fans angry.

Sort of. I won't be enjoying the Senna fans being angry, I'll be enjoying the backlash. That's not disrespecting Senna fans. I'll be angry about the slight to the memory of one of the world's greatest racing drivers and I'll feel sorry for the Senna fans, but I'll be enjoying the kicking they give PD.

Perhaps you've heard of schadenfreude?

 

[jimipitbull]

I will. That's not disrespecting Senna fans. I'll be angry about the slight to the memory of one of the world's greatest racing drivers and I'll feel sorry for the Senna fans, but I'll be enjoying the kicking they give PD.

Perhaps you've heard of schadenfreude?

You also say you are looking forward to it. That's more like preschadenfreude.

 

[BWX]

Well, you said you will be happy if PD makes Senna's fans angry.

No, he'd enjoy the backlash against PD.. So would I. They deserve a lot of negativity thrown in their general direction after the crapstorm that is GT lately.

*edit.. LOL at the post two posts above i didn't read before posting

 

[Imari]

You also say you are looking forward to it. That's more like preschadenfreude.

Yep. I want to maximise my schadenfreude potential. Is that somehow a problem? It's still not disrespecting Senna or his fans.

Besides, what I actually said was that I'm looking forward to the Senna content date, because either I get Senna content or I get schadenfreudey goodness. I can't lose.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

I sold my copy of the game. But I keep coming back to this thread to have a laugh. Good work!

 

[Zlork]

I sold my copy of the game.

That's fine !

 

[jimipitbull]

No, he'd enjoy the backlash against PD.. So would I. They deserve a lot of negativity thrown in their general direction after the crapstorm that is GT lately.

Senna's fans are not sacrificial lambs.

PD and Senna Institute have formed a relationship. Wanting to see it turn ugly shows complete disrespect for all involved.

It's like wanting your parents to split up, just so you can get more presents at Christmas.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

That's fine !

Life is too short to wait PD get their 🤬 together.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You guys who do this are missing a huge hunk of plank.

You act like PD is SO intertwined with SONY that their offices are right next door to the boardroom, and a money chute feeds into it dropping hundreds of thousands of yen a day. But then when it suits you, Polyphony resides in a clandestine bunker, and SONY suits can't even buy a clue to their secret handshake to see if they're even working on a game from year to year.

You can't have it both ways. And that's not how things work on the planet Earth I live on.

By the way, this planet is so sad that GTA could release exclusively on Android phones for a year, and ten million would pick it up.

One more thing. I'm not arguing GT6 sales numbers, I'm mulling over factors of gamer reception.

You didn't really understand my response did you?

I don't "act like" anything regarding Sony and PD, that's in your head. I only challenge the assertion that PD is completely under Sony's thumb which is how you portray it consistently in your posts. You have yet to show this is the case with any credibility and yet you often throw it out every time an excuse is needed for why something is not done or is screwed up. Of course Sony has some influence but Kaz also has a great deal of influence and power as well. You or I can't possibly define that relationship without actually being there.

And again, it was you who brought up the sales numbers to "prove" that people aren't discontented with GT5/6.

I have to *record scratch* here. GT5 reached 10 million copies sold faster than GT4 did. They sold another million copies last year. I'm aware that GT Planet is becoming a war zone like China in Battlefield 4. But out in the real world, it seems the discontent just isn't there.

I simply responded to your assertion...try to follow along...

Sales of GT5 does not measure discontent with GT5 which is what you are suggesting. You have to buy something before you get discontented, so the real discontent shows up in the sales of the following game...

Senna's fans are not sacrificial lambs.

PD and Senna Institute have formed a relationship. Wanting to see it turn ugly shows complete disrespect for all involved.

It's like wanting your parents to split up, just so you can get more presents at Christmas.

Actually no. It's more like your Dad is constantly missing attending your hockey games and music recitals and no one ever calls him on it because they're afraid of him and his reputation. You would like to finally see him get told what a crappy father he's being in the hopes it'll make him see the light and be a better father. You love him of course because he's your father, but that doesn't mean he's a good father and once in a while everyone needs a swift kick in the butt to get going.