Holiday Hackers.........Love'em or Hate'em

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Well, my sister is using Netflix on the PS3 right now, so it's pretty safe to say that PSN is working for the PS3
 
catamount39
Hopefully they can fix it by tonight...*crosses fingers and begins praying*
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My only options are to
A: Watch DVD
B: Play GTAV solo

This better be fixed by tomorrow. I really want to get back on The Crew
 
JASON_ROCKS1998
My only options are to
A: Watch DVD
B: Play GTAV solo

This better be fixed by tomorrow. I really want to get back on The Crew
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I really want to START playing The Crew...all I got is Watch Dogs and The Last if Us: RM for offline on PS4. Well back to watching Amazon rentals on this Kindle. :/
 
catamount39
I really want to START playing The Crew...all I got is Watch Dogs and The Last if Us: RM for offline on PS4. Well back to watching Amazon rentals on this Kindle. :/
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So you haven't started it yet? If you want to be in my crew just add me on PSN when it's back up. Its the same as my GTP name.
 
I hope these...guys get a really bad 2015. Maybe after a few real world problems they will learn that not the entire planet is interested in stupid people seeking for attentions. It's not about online gaming here, it's about idiots that acts like they are smarter and better than ''normal people'', a god syndrome or something. Technology and internet are good things, but sadly they give to trash like them the ''power'' of ruining our day. And i'm not someone that plays online a lot.
 
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I was able to login on my PS4 after about 4 attempts, everything is a little slow, but at least it is working, I am in Kentucky by the way. My PS3 has worked most of the time except this morning.

I found this outage map on downdetector.com of PSN:
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EDIT: Sending messages was lightning fast (under 2 seconds :D)
 
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AJHG1000
Well, my sister is using Netflix on the PS3 right now, so it's pretty safe to say that PSN is working for the PS3
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According to a friend of mine that uses Netflix, He said his Netflix works when he can't sign in to the playstation network on his ps3. I just checked and I can sign in (PS3) and I see about 7 other friends in various regions of UK, Canada, and U.S. and I'm in west U.S. A friend of mine nearby said he cannot get on with his ps4 yet though.
 
Incredible how a bunch of nerdy kids can shut down a worldwide network of a multinational corporation isn't it?
You would have guessed with all the millions they are making from us buying consoles, games and peripherals they would be protected against such things, especially since they have the guts to charge a yearly fee to go online now.
 
mister dog
You would have guessed with all the millions they are making they would be protected against such things
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Again, you cannot realistically protect against DDoS attacks. There is no hacking involved, it is simply hiring bots to hammer a company's servers with thousands of Gb/s of requests. It can happen and has happened to multiple corporations that are bigger, richer and with better infrastructers than Sony. (Look how many major websites crashed on the Black Friday sales, and that was just shoppers trying to access the site that caused the outages, practically the same scenario). To get rid of them, you would have to change how the internet works entirely.

Companies do have protection against DDoS attacks, but that means spending $millions for something that is unlikely to happen and it is far, far easier and cheaper for a single individual to setup and hammer the servers with even more traffic.
 
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I wonder if they're doing this for financial gain (maybe investing in a competitor)? This is a partial factor for microsoft's recent stock price drop. I didn't check Sony's because of the North Korea hack would be to blame
 
Lewis_Hamilton_
Again, you cannot realistically protect against DDoS attacks. There is no hacking involved, it is simply hiring bots to hammer a company's servers with thousands of Gb/s of requests. It can happen and has happened to multiple corporations that are bigger, richer and with better infrustructers than Sony. (Look how many major websites crashed on the Black Friday sales, and that was just shoppers trying to access the site that caused the outages, practically the same scenario). To get rid of them, you would have to change how the internet works entirely.

Companies do have protection against DDoS attacks, but that means spending $millions for something that is unlikely to happen and it is far, far easier and cheaper for a single individual to setup and hammer the servers with even more traffic.
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Money buys everything doesn't it? So maybe they can invest a couple of millions in preventing DDos attacks, and as you say companies don't do it because it's unlikely to happen, then they are being short sighted as it happens every couple of months nowadays :)

If you got the balls to charge for your online service, you better make sure it's waterproof.
 
mister dog
Money buys everything doesn't it? So maybe they can invest a couple of millions in preventing DDos attacks, and as you say companies don't do it because it's unlikely to happen, then they are being short sighted as it happens every couple of months nowadays :)

If you got the balls to charge for your online service, you better make sure it's waterproof.
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They do have protection, provided by Prolexic. As I said, it's all too easy to set up/pay for more bots to drown any server in traffic.
 
mister dog
Money buys everything doesn't it? So maybe they can invest a couple of millions in preventing DDos attacks, and as you say companies don't do it because it's unlikely to happen, then they are being short sighted as it happens every couple of months nowadays :)
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No, you're missing the point of what a denial of service attack is.

A denial of service attack is when the number of requests of a device to perform its normal tasks exceeds the number of requests that the device can handle at once - so it can no longer perform its normal tasks. Grab a calculator and start typing in calculations and it's fine. Get a second person to jab at the numbers while you're trying to do that and it's not - service has been denied. The calculator is still trying to do its job, but it can't output as normal while a second user is simultaneously trying to get information too.

Scale this up and you have a server farm capable of handling, say, a million concurrent connections. All you need for a denial of service is to flood it with 1,000,001 concurrent connections. This is achieved by building a "botnet" of compromised devices - computers with viruses on them - which you can direct to request information from the servers simultaneously. Upgrade your server farm to handle 2m concurrent connections and the botnet needs to expand to 2,000,001. Upgrade it to ten million and the botnet needs to expand to 10,000,001. The bigger botnets were running at 30m+ by the time PSN even existed, and even if Sony provided a server farm large enough to handle every SEN user to access its services simultaneously (which is economically unviable) a large botnet like Mariposa could take up a third of its time all the time.


A denial of service attack can be mitigated somewhat with software, but in doing so it will also restrict normal operations. The only way to stop or prevent a denial of service attack is to not provide any normal operations to anyone.
 
Famine
No, you're missing the point of what a denial of service attack is.

A denial of service attack is when the number of requests of a device to perform its normal tasks exceeds the number of requests that the device can handle at once - so it can no longer perform its normal tasks. Grab a calculator and start typing in calculations and it's fine. Get a second person to jab at the numbers while you're trying to do that and it's not - service has been denied. The calculator is still trying to do its job, but it can't output as normal while a second user is simultaneously trying to get information too.

Scale this up and you have a server farm capable of handling, say, a million concurrent connections. All you need for a denial of service is to flood it with 1,000,001 concurrent connections. This is achieved by building a "botnet" of compromised devices - computers with viruses on them - which you can direct to request information from the servers simultaneously. Upgrade your server farm to handle 2m concurrent connections and the botnet needs to expand to 2,000,001. Upgrade it to ten million and the botnet needs to expand to 10,000,001. The bigger botnets were running at 30m+ by the time PSN even existed, and even if Sony provided a server farm large enough to handle every SEN user to access its services simultaneously (which is economically unviable) a large botnet like Mariposa could take up a third of its time all the time.


A denial of service attack can be mitigated somewhat with software, but in doing so it will also restrict normal operations. The only way to stop or prevent a denial of service attack is to not provide any normal operations to anyone.
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What he said :)

Its a bit like trying to get through the blackwall tunnel in monday morning rush hour :)

For those that know it.
 
Famine
No, you're missing the point of what a denial of service attack is.

A denial of service attack is when the number of requests of a device to perform its normal tasks exceeds the number of requests that the device can handle at once - so it can no longer perform its normal tasks. Grab a calculator and start typing in calculations and it's fine. Get a second person to jab at the numbers while you're trying to do that and it's not - service has been denied. The calculator is still trying to do its job, but it can't output as normal while a second user is simultaneously trying to get information too.

Scale this up and you have a server farm capable of handling, say, a million concurrent connections. All you need for a denial of service is to flood it with 1,000,001 concurrent connections. This is achieved by building a "botnet" of compromised devices - computers with viruses on them - which you can direct to request information from the servers simultaneously. Upgrade your server farm to handle 2m concurrent connections and the botnet needs to expand to 2,000,001. Upgrade it to ten million and the botnet needs to expand to 10,000,001. The bigger botnets were running at 30m+ by the time PSN even existed, and even if Sony provided a server farm large enough to handle every SEN user to access its services simultaneously (which is economically unviable) a large botnet like Mariposa could take up a third of its time all the time.


A denial of service attack can be mitigated somewhat with software, but in doing so it will also restrict normal operations. The only way to stop or prevent a denial of service attack is to not provide any normal operations to anyone.
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So you are absolutely sure that there is no way at all to prevent a DDos attack? Even if you have some of the brightest minds sit together and brainstorm there is no hope for the human gaming race?
 
mister dog
So you are absolutely sure that there is no way at all to prevent a DDos attack? Even if you have some of the brightest minds sit together and brainstorm there is no hope for the human gaming race?
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Yes - turn the device off.

A denial of service is simply more users trying to use the device at once than the device can handle, be it two people on a calculator or 50 million on SEN. It's not a hack or a crack, or a compromise of data - it's just lots of people trying to use the thing to do what it normally does. If you design the device to be used over a network, the only way you can prevent it is to allow it to handle the entire network at once - and if that network is the internet, good luck.

Sure, if you had all the money on Earth you could build a server farm capable of handling all 10 billion devices on the internet at once (though you'll need to upgrade frequently - it'll be an order of magnitude more than that by 2020), but for a gaming network that costs most of its 100 million potential users nothing at all, that's expecting far too much.
 
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These 'I'm attacking you so you'd have/want/should to hire me to protect your network' hackers should be made example of. Never make any deals with them. Alcatraz would be a good place for them. Better yet, Gitmo has a lot of free space now.

Console players never asked for hackers help. Even if they didn't like some companies policies. Thats just an excuse they use to get very little support by some naive players.

If I'm not mistaken, someone mentioned that Anon are after them. They (Anon) just a 🤬 calling a turd 'smelly'.
 
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