Honda Fan Club - under new management

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I want a set of these.
 
I'd just like to say that my avatar is awesome. And would like to know why everyone elses avatars are larger then mine, even though mine is the maximum size it can be. I dont care if your a premium member, how do i get a bigger avatar without having to pay people money.

And whats with these popups!!! Wherever i click around here theres friggen tribal fusion bonanza, zomg im 100,,0000,,000'th customer. Annoying! I can only imagine how bad it would be for non-members.
 
Jordan's looking into the popups. You're not the only one complaining. I'm not, but many other members are.
 
Sorry Sp33, the larger avatars are for members only. I'm not sure what makes them so special...other then the fact that they've paid for it, but still, someone should lead a protest into making all avatars the same size!
 
Jesus what is wrong with you guys?

Anyway, here's my future car plans...

Later this year I may get the header and exhaust, and I'll hold off the rest of the handling stuff--rims, tires, and possible suspension replacement--until next year. That'll give me the whole winter to save up since that stuff will be expensive.
 
Time_Attack
indeed. find me some please. :bowdown:
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Sorry, but if I found a set, I'd probably swipe them up. ;)


~Sp33~
I use firefox with its built in ad blocker :dunce: ...... :sly:
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It has a built-in Pop-Up blocker, but AdBlock Plus is an extension you download. ;)


Keef
Jesus what is wrong with you guys?

Anyway, here's my future car plans...

Later this year I may get the header and exhaust, and I'll hold off the rest of the handling stuff--rims, tires, and possible suspension replacement--until next year. That'll give me the whole winter to save up since that stuff will be expensive.
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So, you're going to give up parts that would improve the performance of the car, for ones that really don't do much outside of increasing it's auditory output? :(

And, there's nothing wrong with me. :P
 
I just bought my front brakes and I'm installing them this Sunday! woot Oh, and for some reason my ABS light turned itself back off. So assuming the recall (tuneup) at the Honda dealer gets done (next Tue.) my CEL should disappear as well and I can FINALLY get my state inspection passed.

On a performance note, I've noticed something interesting about my Prelude. The weight distribution is something near 60/30 right? So why does my Prelude tend to oversteer? And I'm not even doing a Scandinavian flick or lift-off oversteer either. When I DO do a Scandinavian flick or a lift-off it gets almost as sideways as my Camaro. And I can't count the times where it hits the apex of a corner perfectly and rides the line with such stickiness. I mean, I literally think this handles better than a new MINI. I need to really get a video of me driving this one S corner here locally, its a riot. I use it as my "test" corner to see if a car handles well or not. So far, my 'lude handles better than my old Focus by a hefty margin. The 'lude also makes my old Nissan 200SX SE-R look fat on that corner. :lol:

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Oh, and on the pop-up issue. OPERA FTW!
 
JCE3000GT
On a performance note, I've noticed something interesting about my Prelude. The weight distribution is something near 60/30 right? So why does my Prelude tend to oversteer? And I'm not even doing a Scandinavian flick or lift-off oversteer either. When I DO do a Scandinavian flick or a lift-off it gets almost as sideways as my Camaro. And I can't count the times where it hits the apex of a corner perfectly and rides the line with such stickiness. I mean, I literally think this handles better than a new MINI. I need to really get a video of me driving this one S corner here locally, its a riot. I use it as my "test" corner to see if a car handles well or not. So far, my 'lude handles better than my old Focus by a hefty margin. The 'lude also makes my old Nissan 200SX SE-R look fat on that corner. :lol:

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Oh, and on the pop-up issue. OPERA FTW!
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I'm not too informed on the prelude suspension, but I'd say thick rear sways, along with some suspension settings. My car doesn't have sways, but I've been experimenting with trail braking lately, so I haven't experienced understeer since I bought my tires.

EDIT: Preludes aren't actually that great in the handling department, or so I've heard from people that go racing a lot. It's very good for a stock car, but that's about as good as they get I think. I've read a lot of posts on forums and such that say the prelude is just too heavy to make a good track car in the end.

For my car, my next plans are (and very likely in this order) brake pads, rotors, sway bars, lca's, suspension, and a lot of various things that I might need as I go on, not too sure yet, maybe stuff like seats, steering wheels, various chassis stiffening things.


 
How can it be considered heavy when it weighs ~2800lbs? 2800lbs isn't that heavy in my book. But, I can probably chalk that up to owning a heavy American boat a few times. My lightest cars were my Focus' and 200SX SE-R, and they felt heavier than my Prelude. And with the Fifth Gear test of the Veyron around a track with surprisingly good results--heavy cars aren't automatically crap around a track. ;)
 
When does your car oversteer? Did BBs get four-wheel steering? I can imagine being startled by a car with four-wheel steering, or a system like SH-AWD. I bet i'd countersteer right into the wall when I felt the back end slip out. It's just not supposed to do that in a FWD car, lol. Anyway, my car has perfect lift-throttle oversteer. I don't see why yours would be much different, since you have the same double wishbone geometry, I think. At high speeds, like those long 90 mph highway interchanges, my car creeps into oversteer. If my car were to lose grip at high speed it would be oversteer.

In the Honda world 2800 pounds is ungodly. My car is about 2500 and it's at least 200 too heavy to ever be a real performance Civic.

Also, heavy cars are crap around a track. Chop 500 pounds off a Veyron and then see how badass it handles. It'd be like a damn Enzo. Massive tires can compensate for weight, to a point. It's the same reason you've never seen a Civic with steamroller tires. We don't need them.
 
Keef
When does your car oversteer?
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Almost immediately after the apex of the corner if I'm pushing it hard. And it isn't a 4-wheel drift which I call understeer. Its a true rear wheel drift. It starts off as a light drift and if the corner is long enough and the momentum is good enough it the rear wheels will start briskly moving outward.

Did BBs get four-wheel steering?
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Not that I know of, then again I know almost nothing about Honda. The Prelude SH just has the ATTS (active torque transfer system?).

I can imagine being startled by a car with four-wheel steering, or a system like SH-AWD. I bet i'd countersteer right into the wall when I felt the back end slip out.
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My 3000GT VR4 had 4WS and it was a hoot around corners...even though it was as heavy as a steamship.

Anyway, my car has perfect lift-throttle oversteer. I don't see why yours would be much different, since you have the same double wishbone geometry, I think.
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Maybe its the center of gravity and the fact that it is short and long? I'm not a physics major so you'll excuse me if I don't have a proper hypothesis.

In the Honda world 2800 pounds is ungodly.
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I can appreciate that.

Also, heavy cars are crap around a track. Chop 500 pounds off a Veyron and then see how badass it handles.
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If someone gutted the luxuries out of the Veyron and made it as sparce as possible I bet it would be even more insane on the track.
 
Perfect Balance
For my car, my next plans are (and very likely in this order) brake pads, rotors, sway bars, lca's, suspension, and a lot of various things that I might need as I go on, not too sure yet, maybe stuff like seats, steering wheels, various chassis stiffening things.
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I don't think I'll mention my next year in car upgrades. ;)
 
@Keef - SH-AWD? Say what? My 4th gen would swing its butt out around certain corners too, don't ask me why but I think its a Prelude thing.

@Toyomatt - Give us a hint of whats to come atleast...we atleast deserve that :lol:
 
JCE3000GT
My 3000GT VR4 had 4WS and it was a hoot around corners...even though it was as heavy as a steamship.
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After reading this comment I know why you think your car handles great. You've never driven a car that did actually handle great.

3000gt's are known for their crappy handling, part of the reason they never really made it big, other than some drag car. My cousins 3000gt used to totally plow through corners, and then oversteer. It's better now because o the ground controls and kyb shocks.
 
Perfect Balance
After reading this comment I know why you think your car handles great. You've never driven a car that did actually handle great.

3000gt's are known for their crappy handling, part of the reason they never really made it big, other than some drag car. My cousins 3000gt used to totally plow through corners, and then oversteer. It's better now because o the ground controls and kyb shocks.
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I have infact owned cars that handled great and have driven cars that handle great. You do realize that driver skill has a part to play in the overall handling department? Its not always about the car, but how the car is driven. A great handling car on paper can be made an even better car in the hands of a skilled driver, and the opposite can be true as well. Give the Mini to someone devoid of driving talent and you'll find the car understeering into a tree. Don't prejudge me based on my car history.
 
JCE3000GT
I have infact owned cars that handled great and have driven cars that handle great. You do realize that driver skill has a part to play in the overall handling department? Its not always about the car, but how the car is driven. A great handling car on paper can be made an even better car in the hands of a skilled driver, and the opposite can be true as well. Give the Mini to someone devoid of driving talent and you'll find the car understeering into a tree. Don't prejudge me based on my car history.
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Thank you for taking things so seriously.:rolleyes:

Both the Prelude and the 3000GT aren't very good in the handling department, the prelude not that bad, but the 3000GT sucked. That's why it never became very popular. It had the power, but it was just too heavy. Weight can be overcome with years of engineering, along with extreme tire sizes, but this isn't the case with normal production cars. The 3000gt was not good with turns, at all.

A good driver can make a car fast, but a better one even faster, so the comparison is still the same, just at a much higher level.

Here is a video of my friends stock Miata. Lets see even a highly tuned Prelude or 3000gt do this.
 
Perfect Balance
Thank you for taking things so seriously.:rolleyes:

Both the Prelude and the 3000GT aren't very good in the handling department, the prelude not that bad, but the 3000GT sucked. That's why it never became very popular. It had the power, but it was just too heavy. Weight can be overcome with years of engineering, along with extreme tire sizes, but this isn't the case with normal production cars. The 3000gt was not good with turns, at all.

A good driver can make a car fast, but a better one even faster, so the comparison is still the same, just at a much higher level.

Here is a video of my friends stock Miata. Lets see even a highly tuned Prelude or 3000gt do this.
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Firstly the Miata and the other two are apples and oranges. One is roadster, another is a coupe, and the other is a GT car. And the Prelude isn't a bad handler, you're mistaken. You gladly agree with me on the a better drive makes a good car better--but you didn't address the fact that a bad driver makes said good car worse. Its a fact.

So lets quit splitting hairs and agree to disagree and move on. I don't feel like getting into a petty arguement about something this trival.
 
SRV2LOW4ME
@Toyomatt - Give us a hint of whats to come atleast...we atleast deserve that :lol:
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Well, I'm re-vamping the entire brake system, adding in a ton of lateral support, cleaning up some wiring, and giving the car a new overall look. ;) Vague, but I did pinpoint on the main topics. :D
 
JCE3000GT
Firstly the Miata and the other two are apples and oranges. One is roadster, another is a coupe, and the other is a GT car. And the Prelude isn't a bad handler, you're mistaken. You gladly agree with me on the a better drive makes a good car better--but you didn't address the fact that a bad driver makes said good car worse. Its a fact.

So lets quit splitting hairs and agree to disagree and move on. I don't feel like getting into a petty arguement about something this trival.
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Toyomatt
Well, I'm re-vamping the entire brake system, adding in a ton of lateral support, cleaning up some wiring, and giving the car a new overall look. Vague, but I did pinpoint on the main topics.
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That's crazy how you can list all of those things as "stuff you are doing." For me, I have to list those individually, like, new rotors, new pads, strut bar.


Being poor sucks.


EDIT: And even that is going to take a long time, I need to save up for insurance too.

At least I've got some Energy Suspension shifter bushings in the mail. Mine have gotten so worn that I have to find 3rd gear sometimes instead of just pushing the shifter forward.
 
Perfect Balance
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EDIT: That's crazy how you can list all of those things as "stuff you are doing." For me, I have to list those individually, like, new rotors, new pads, strut bar.


Being poor sucks.


EDIT: And even that is going to take a long time, I need to save up for insurance too.

At least I've got some Energy Suspension shifter bushings in the mail. Mine have gotten so worn that I have to find 3rd gear sometimes instead of just pushing the shifter forward.
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Yeah, I may end up settling for Energy Suspension LCA bushings, if I cannot source pillow ball mounts. :(
 
toyomatt84
Well, I'm re-vamping the entire brake system, adding in a ton of lateral support, cleaning up some wiring, and giving the car a new overall look. ;) Vague, but I did pinpoint on the main topics. :D
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Did your Civic come with drums in the rear or did Honda actually stick a set of disc's in the rear? If they're drums, I'm going to assume that changing those out would make a good starting point on the brakes, unless you're going even crazier in which case you peaked my interest even more. And yes, it was very vague but it'll do for now. :lol:



Anyone here running a set of ground wires on their car, or know anyone that is?
I've read/heard they're a very good investment and throttle response, idle and shifts are actually improved, but I'm sort of researching them more before I make my purchase.
 
SRV2LOW4ME
Did your Civic come with drums in the rear or did Honda actually stick a set of disc's in the rear? If they're drums, I'm going to assume that changing those out would make a good starting point on the brakes, unless you're going even crazier in which case you peaked my interest even more. And yes, it was very vague but it'll do for now. :lol:



Anyone here running a set of ground wires on their car, or know anyone that is?
I've read/heard they're a very good investment and throttle response, idle and shifts are actually improved, but I'm sort of researching them more before I make my purchase.
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They aren't very expensive, and I've seen nothing but good things about them, so why not?
 
SRV2LOW4ME
Anyone here running a set of ground wires on their car, or know anyone that is?
I've read/heard they're a very good investment and throttle response, idle and shifts are actually improved, but I'm sort of researching them more before I make my purchase.
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Electrical ground wires? Shifts are purely mechanical, so that's ridiculous. And we, like, already have ground wires. It's right there. Like....there, right in front of my engine. And I really don't care how my car idles, as long as it doesn't stall. I want to go, not sit at stop lights.
 
It helps with throttle response. *watches keef run off to buy some ground wires*


EDIT: And your car starts better, less electrical noise in your sound system and stuff. I've even seen some people say their lights get brighter.
 

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