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Champ white is the Honda color. What's the significance of Taffeta white? I've never heard of it.
 
showoff3civic
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there is a car on ephatch.com that is in taffeta white not champ white
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There is a guy at my work that just did that to his Dodge Magnum, only his car is green and he did the roof and hood in what looks to be primer grey with gloss clear on top. He brought the grey down to the top of the doors though which is a bit different, but the color combination he chose looks like crap together. Plus, thanks to his lambo doors, his front fenders are loose and bent out of shape so bad you can see into his door on the one side and into the fender on the other. The worst part? He somehow won 1st place at a car show a couple of weeks ago so now he thinks his "tricked out" V6 Magnum is the shiznit. :rolleyes:
 
He bought the V6 because he couldn't afford the HEMI and the mods. I've seen a tricked Charger SRT8 at a show. The guy did it up right. I'm not big into the gangster style with huge rims and flashy paint and lambo doors, but that thing was hot.

EDIT: Do you guys have any exhaust preference? Sometime before it snows I just may have to buy myself a header and proper exhaust. My only concern about the exhaust is the sound, really. My exhaust minus the muffler really does sound fantastic, and I don't want to screw it up with a farty, bellowing, metallic, or otherwise stupid sounding exhaust. A buddy of mine has a Tanabe on his B18 hatch, and it sounds really metallic and ricey through VTEC. I don't want that, or a massive tip. I just want a loud, race car sound (which the BC provides, at least on a K20).

I was going to get the Buddy Club Pro-Spec, but since the price has been raised on Password it's right up there with the Skunk2 and Greddy, etc. What are your favorites?
 
Keef
The only early Civics I'd be seriously interested in would be the EM1, like you've mentioned, or an EG2 like my car. They're the ones with the B16A2 engine, and that means you don't need to swap if you want fun VTEC fury. Neither are rocketships by any means, but they're definitely fun. Otherwise you'll be stuck wanting lots more power in just about every other Civic, bar the EG Si hatch. Of course, it still could use a little more go.
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Not hip with the lingo so please excuse me... :ouch:

My main concern would be reliability. I'd love to have my current Corolla's transmission and engine set up on the Si in question. :drool: So with that in mind, I doubt any of the Civic engines would be too lowly powered for me... It's just a matter of whether or not the engine is reliable. 👍
 
Keef
Also, the few extra horsepowers are welcome, but the noise is getting ridiculous. I didn't realise that CF intake I got from Password would be as loud as it is, but it's damn loud. Sounds like a Subaru boxer, then at 5400rpm it turns into a classic carbureted Ferrari V12. Or something mean sounding like that. Anyway, we had to hunkyrig a few things in the engine bay, like a bracket with a bunch of connectors on it. Those had to be moved to fit the intake. It wasn't a big deal though. There was actually a nearby hole where we screwed it in.
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Might I politely ask for an audio/video clip of said intake? :sly: Does it make an enormously loud sucking noise? I'll be looking for an intake for my Prelude that not only has a loud sucking noise but changes the throttle note a bit both pre and post VTEC switch.

Oh, and what brand is that intake? At this point extra power is meaningless, I want engine and intake noise followed by fixing all the bodywork + paint.
 
Keef
He bought the V6 because he couldn't afford the HEMI and the mods. I've seen a tricked Charger SRT8 at a show. The guy did it up right. I'm not big into the gangster style with huge rims and flashy paint and lambo doors, but that thing was hot.

EDIT: Do you guys have any exhaust preference? Sometime before it snows I just may have to buy myself a header and proper exhaust. My only concern about the exhaust is the sound, really. My exhaust minus the muffler really does sound fantastic, and I don't want to screw it up with a farty, bellowing, metallic, or otherwise stupid sounding exhaust. A buddy of mine has a Tanabe on his B18 hatch, and it sounds really metallic and ricey through VTEC. I don't want that, or a massive tip. I just want a loud, race car sound (which the BC provides, at least on a K20).

I was going to get the Buddy Club Pro-Spec, but since the price has been raised on Password it's right up there with the Skunk2 and Greddy, etc. What are your favorites?
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I really like the mugen twin loop great sound for your car you would have to get a T1R midpipe and mugen muffler
 
Wow, I have to say that when that thing switches over to the performance cam profile it sounds awsome. Too bad you couldn't get the lower revs to sound like that. Unless... Does anyone make a performance cam with a cam profile that doesn't have an economy mode (like the stock VTEC cam) and just a "omg I have an F1 car" mode? Because that would rock to have my Prelude sound like that 100% of the time. ;)

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I just realized that the Civic in that video was your car. :lol: Where is the list of engine mods you've done?

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Oh, is there any exhausts out there that have butterfly valves like the '07 ZO6? I'd like my exhaust to be silenced until my VTEC performance profile cam kicks in.
 
Engine/Drivetrain:
k20a2
6 speed
injen SRI
DCRH
Mugen twinloop Exhaust
Kpro
Skunk2 cams
BC ti valve spring retainers
BC vavle springs
RBC Intake manifold
Hondata IMG
Karcepts adaptor plate
Throttlebody, adaptor plate, and intake manifold all maxbored out to 65mm.
 
also i think toda killer cams kills vtec so you would be running like a high lobe all the time but your lower your drive ability because it will idle like **** wont run until so many rpm... correct me if im wrong b series guys out there
 
showoff3civic
Engine/Drivetrain:
k20a2 -- Came from an RSX I think right?
6 speed -- Same as above ^ ?
injen SRI
DCRH -- What's this?
Mugen twinloop Exhaust
Kpro -- What's this?
Skunk2 cams
BC ti valve spring retainers
BC vavle springs
RBC Intake manifold
Hondata IMG -- What's this?
Karcepts adaptor plate -- What's this?
Throttlebody, adaptor plate, and intake manifold all maxbored out to 65mm.
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Forgive my Honda noobishness...and I'm too lazy to google. And speaking of the 6spd transmission...are there any 6spd tranny's that will bolt on to the H22A?
 
k20a2 is the european type-r motor and RSX type-s motor
6 speed is the tranny on it

DCRH = DC race header
Hondata KPRO= fuel managment program run by the honda ECU
Hondata IMG= hondata intake manifold gasket

karcetps adaptor plate = RBC is used on the 2006 civic SI that is drive by wire so the throttle body does not work on a car with a traditional wire throttle system so you need the adaptor to put on the old throttle body

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the runners are so much larger that i needed to cut the radiator support to make it fit!

IDK about a 6 speed for the H22 but i know the make and adaptor plate so you can run the ITR tranny
 
You wanna know what a highly tuned, TODA Killer equipped B18 idles like?



Like a damn race car! Lmao. It's nice to have a highly tuned NA engine, but that thing probably is only putting down about 250 horses. And it's nearly undriveable at low speeds.

And JCE, you can get a computer to tune your VTEC to kick in at whatever rpm you want. It's pretty much pointless to use it at low rpm. The power gain will be minimal because it's not moving enough air through the engine to make any power. If you're trying to go fast at 3000rpm, well, you're not going to. These engine work best at high rpm, so there's no point in putting that undue strain on your VTEC lobes.

It's not a Camaro, remember, lol. You gotta ride the sucker when you want speed.
 
Its rather pointless to adjust the point at which vtec kicks in unless you upgrade to a higher lift/duration cam. If you're looking for low end power look into a supercharger kit.

also I've seen that video before. That car needs ITBs with a seriousness.
 
Keef
You wanna know what a highly tuned, TODA Killer equipped B18 idles like?

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Wow, I gotta tell ya that sounds awsome. That sounds like a V8 drag car idle--almost.

And JCE, you can get a computer to tune your VTEC to kick in at whatever rpm you want. It's pretty much pointless to use it at low rpm. The power gain will be minimal because it's not moving enough air through the engine to make any power. If you're trying to go fast at 3000rpm, well, you're not going to. These engine work best at high rpm, so there's no point in putting that undue strain on your VTEC lobes.
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The only reason why I would want it below say 4000rpm is the noise. That's just about it. So, would forced induction help with the airflow if you tuned the ECU to kick in the performance profile @ 3500rpm?

It's not a Camaro, remember, lol. You gotta ride the sucker when you want speed.
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I guess I'm just not used to a non-torquey engine. I've driven/owned nothing but engines with either equal torque/bhp or more torque than bhp. Hell, even my Nissans were that way.

I know in V6/V8 engines increasing the exhaust FLOW slightly increases torque over more exhaust volume--is this the case with an I4?

Time_Attack
Its rather pointless to adjust the point at which vtec kicks in unless you upgrade to a higher lift/duration cam. If you're looking for low end power look into a supercharger kit.
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Well I don't like centrifugal force superchargers (Pro Charger ... Vortec ...etc) one bit--which is probably the only type available for a Honda--I prefer roots superchargers myself. Most likely means there isn't a roots supercharger available for the H22A--which would be sad. If I want one I'd probably have to fabricate the manifold for one.

Someone prove me wrong please!
 
Jackson Racing is one of the most used roots-type blower makers for Honda. Here's a kit for your H22. It sounds like JR makes a computer called a VPAC which allows you to adjust VTEC rpm engagement from the interior on the fly. Make sure you email the company to see what is included with the kit.

Even with this supercharger it's still going to make all its power at high rpm. It'll go better down low than it does now, for sure, but it'll gain huge power at high rpm. The unit looks pretty massive though, and you'll probably end up hanging an extra 50 pounds off the front of your car. That doesn't help in the handling department one bit. But of course, you did grow up on Camaros...
 
I love you.

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Hey, my Camaro handles quite well considering its axle came from an Ox Cart. And I'm not worried about when the torque hits if those numbers are legit. 200lb.ft and 235whp, thats not too shabby.
 
JCE3000GT
Wow, I gotta tell ya that sounds awsome. That sounds like a V8 drag car idle--almost.
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Almost because its only a 4 cylender and not a V8. A V8 drag car idles like that too because of the high rise lobes on its cam aswell (which is basically what VTEC is, just switching to a more agressive cam in the higher rpms).
 
I would have loved one, except for the fact that you couldn't fit one on the 4th gen without moving the engine over an inch. :ouch:
 
Keef
You wanna know what a highly tuned, TODA Killer equipped B18 idles like?



Like a damn race car! Lmao. It's nice to have a highly tuned NA engine, but that thing probably is only putting down about 250 horses. And it's nearly undriveable at low speeds.

And JCE, you can get a computer to tune your VTEC to kick in at whatever rpm you want. It's pretty much pointless to use it at low rpm. The power gain will be minimal because it's not moving enough air through the engine to make any power. If you're trying to go fast at 3000rpm, well, you're not going to. These engine work best at high rpm, so there's no point in putting that undue strain on your VTEC lobes.

It's not a Camaro, remember, lol. You gotta ride the sucker when you want speed.
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my A2 sound be in the vacinity of 230-235 whp with my mods... i have to get it dynoed and tuned after it gets out of the body shop
 
I picked up my clutch earlier today:

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The friction disc drives me nuts. The stuff handles so much force, but it feels like chalk. And it's got cloth in it! WTF CLOTH CANT DO THAT
 
So what have you gotten for your car since I last talked to you? I can't seem to catch you on MSN anymore.

EDIT: And you FINALLY got a lighter flywheel. I seriously think you'll regret not getting earlier after you see how much fun it is.

EDIT: Where did you get your del slo avvie? I need one too.
 
I don't know if I asked this yet or not, but in your opinions whats the better CAI (cold air intake) or SRI (short ram intake) to start with? Oh, and is getting a new TB (throttle body) worth it?
 
I wouldn't bother with a new throttle body. The one on your engine is already plenty large to feed a tuned engine.

I'm not really sure what the benefit of a CAI over a short ram is. The air will be slightly cooler, but the intake pipe will be very hot from the heat under the hood no matter what. Aluminum transfers heat well, to air or liquid, and when you have your nice cool intake air going through a hot pipe it just doesn't make much sense to me. A short ram is lots cheaper, lighter, and safer. The only downside is that they're very loud.

Why are you wanting to buy for the BB so much? You're supposed to be saving up for the Camode, remember?
 
The Camaro project is going to take in excess of 3~5 years to complete. I have plenty of time (and hopefully money) to do a few things to the Prelude.

And when you say "very loud", are you saying that's a bad thing?

Oh, and, I may...and I mean may...get promoted again in the coming week(s) since our General Manager quit 2 days ago. Which means double the salary--which means excess money for the Prelude. I won't count on it...but if it does happen it will be awsome. I can't wait to get all of the bodywork and paint fixed. I'm thinking about getting it painted black...one of those non-metallic Mercedes blacks will do nicely.
 

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