Hyundai Ioniq & Kia EV Thread

[ProjectWHaT]

I feel like, at this point, trying to categorize cars based on body shape is mostly just a marketing tactic. Like the CX-3, the CX-30 is just a Mazda3 with higher suspension. The Crosstrek is an Impreza with higher suspension.

As consumers demand various things from a high driving position to a sleek coupe design as well as good performance but still having good efficiency, cars will have to converge to a single optimal design. This is what we're getting, from the Ioniq 5 to the Mustang Mach-E and the BMW X4 to the new Toyota Crown. This is what peak performance looks like. Cars are going to just be large, tall blobs, because that is how we're going to get the most interior space while having the ride height and efficiency and body shape categorization will no longer matter

 

[05XR8]

I guess it’s like the crossover. Why have that category and not place the small SUVs in that? Everything pretty much crosses over that’s not an exotic one or two or three-seater hyper sports car or kei car(of sorts).

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I guess it's a very grey area. The CX-3 is a CUV, but it's hatchback. It's a hair-length bigger than Mazda2, but it's placed in the SUV category.
However, yes, the style and shape of the Hyundai look more hatchback like than a CX-5, which looks like a modern interpretation of what is now considered an SUV.

The other thing that makes the Ioniq 5 look more "car" than "SUV" is the wheelbase as it relates to its overall length. SUVs tend to have large overhangs while hatchbacks tend to have very short overhangs. The Ioniq5 has a longer wheelbase than the Hyundai Palisade which is a full size 3 row SUV, despite being over a foot shorter.

 

[GBO Possum]

Jalopnik enters the chat...

 

[Tornado]

Oh my god you can get the interior of the Ioniq5 in almost all white with exterior-color accents. I'm in love.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Oh my god you can get the interior of the Ioniq5 in almost all white with exterior-color accents. I'm in love.

Mind if I eat this bowl of tomato soup in your car?

 

[Tornado]

No one has ever been allowed to eat or drink in any of my cars. Not even the Volkswagen.

 

[MedigoFlame]

Not sure why I'm feeling rather hyped up about the Ioniq 5 N. Once again, more prototype shots with a little more shapes shown through the camo. I hope this does look more hot hatch than crossover.

2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N Spied With Less Camouflage Around The Nurburgring

The final power numbers are not known at the moment, though company executives hinted the peak output will be somewhere between 580 hp and 620 hp.

www.motor1.com

 

[ProjectWHaT]

Ioniq 6, US spec debuts at the LA Auto Show

2023 Hyundai Ioniq 6 Debuts For US With Estimated 340 Miles Of Range

Hyundai has revealed the Ioniq 6 battery-electric vehicle for the North American market, going on sale next spring with up to an estimated 340 miles of range.

www.motor1.com

(This is the expected use case for the reverse charging? To do homework outside?)

The Ioniq 6 has available two battery sizes – 53.0- and 77.4-kilowatt hours. The standard-range model gets a single rear-mounted electric motor that makes 149 horsepower (111 kilowatts) and 258 pound-feet (350 Nm) of torque. Hyundai offers the larger battery in single-motor rear-wheel-drive, or dual-motor all-wheel-drive configurations. The RWD layout makes 225 hp (168 kW) and the same amount of torque as the standard model. The dual-motor EV cranks out 320 hp (239 kW) and 446 lb-ft (605 Nm) of torque.

Hyundai estimates that the single-motor model with the larger battery will achieve 340 miles of electric driving range. The dual-motor car should return 310 miles, but these aren’t the official EPA numbers. A 350-kilowatt fast charger allows the Ioniq 6 to recharge from 10 to 80 percent in 18 minutes, but if owners are in a hurry, the charger can add about 65 miles of range in five minutes. Recharging with a standard Level 2 charger takes just over seven hours.

The Ioniq 6 will join Hyundai’s US lineup next spring. Buyers will receive two years of unlimited 30-minute charging sessions from Electrify America. We won’t have pricing information until closer to the car’s on-sale date.

 

[05XR8]

Looks different enough. A little bit of Saab-ness to it.
This generation seems like it's going to be about can your car accommodate my mobile devices? Forget Apple CarPlay.

 

[GranTurNismo]

I’m waiting for the Covalent 6.

 

[Tornado]

I think it's weird looking but it's absolutely weird looking in an interwar rear engined sedan way and I'm all for it compared to generic 2003-Prius-shaped blobmobiles.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

It's bizarre but I don't hate it.

 

[Keef]

I think it's excellent. It's weird but it's cohesive - a weird design that is actually good, not simply weird to be weird. I've already watche the review below that suggests this thing is a bit tight in the back for tall people but that doesn't bother me any. I'd really like to drive one. I just really wish we got the side cameras, damn the US is so outdated and slow to adapt to new technology.

 

[FT-1]

(This is the expected use case for the reverse charging? To do homework outside?)

Sounds perfect if you are on a lengthy zoom call at work and have the urge to flex your new Ioniq 6 to your colleagues!

 

[CodeRedR51]

I just really wish we got the side cameras, damn the US is so outdated and slow to adapt to new technology.

The GV60 I drove this week had them?

 

[ProjectWHaT]

The GV60 I drove this week had them?

It had cameras in place of the side mirrors? Or are you talking about the blindspot cameras?

The non-US cars get a camera whereas the US cars do not

A lot of brands have been producing cars with them, such as Lexus, but we don't get them, because it's against the regulations

The Lexus ES Will Be the First Mass-Produced Car with Cameras Instead of Side-View Mirrors

They’ll be available as an option in Japan next month, beating the Audi e-tron’s digital mirror system to market.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[05XR8]

Man, forget collision damage, but the cameras would need their own insurance, due to vandals.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Or are you talking about the blindspot cameras?

This. Sorry, misunderstood.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

EV6 GT

 

[ProjectWHaT]

In the video, he mentions the EV6's design was inspired by the Stratos. Which I guess, yeah, I can sort of see it lol

 

[05XR8]

Guess theyre trying to go hard in selling the sportiness of EVUVs.

 

[Tornado]

I hadn't thought of it that way but now that they mention it I can definitely see it. Even the cut of the front of the door and its relationship to the front wheels and the windshield seems deliberate when framed with that context.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

That's pretty cool. It helps that they didn't butcher the design.

 

[Keef]

The similarities are uncanny. Even the roof spoiler is represented.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

Ioniq 6 EPA figures

2023 Hyundai Ioniq 6 Rated At Up To 361 Miles Of Range By EPA

The US EPA has rated the all-new 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 6 electric sedan at returning up to 361 miles of range in one configuration.

www.motor1.com

Trim	EPA-Estimated Range	Combined MPGe
Ioniq 6 SE RWD Long Range	361 miles	140
Ioniq 6 SE AWD Long Range	316 miles	121
Ioniq 6 SEL RWD	305 miles	117
Ioniq 6 SEL AWD	270 miles	103
Ioniq 6 Limited RWD	305 miles	117
Ioniq 6 Limited AWD	270 miles	103

In comparison

Ioniq 5 RWD (Long Range)	303 miles	114
Ioniq 5 RWD (Standard Range)	220 miles	110
Ioniq 5 AWD (Long Range)	256 miles	98
Model 3 RWD	272 miles	132
Model 3 Long Range AWD	358 miles	131
Model 3 Performance AWD	315 miles	113

Fuel Economy of 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5

Fuel economy of the 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5. 1984 to present Buyer's Guide to Fuel Efficient Cars and Trucks. Estimates of gas mileage, greenhouse gas emissions, safety ratings, and air pollution ratings for new and used cars and trucks.

www.fueleconomy.gov

Fuel Economy of 2023 Tesla Model 3

Fuel economy of the 2023 Tesla Model 3. 1984 to present Buyer's Guide to Fuel Efficient Cars and Trucks. Estimates of gas mileage, greenhouse gas emissions, safety ratings, and air pollution ratings for new and used cars and trucks.

www.fueleconomy.gov

 

[Keef]

Ioniq 6 EPA figures

2023 Hyundai Ioniq 6 Rated At Up To 361 Miles Of Range By EPA

The US EPA has rated the all-new 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 6 electric sedan at returning up to 361 miles of range in one configuration.

www.motor1.com

Trim	EPA-Estimated Range	Combined MPGe
Ioniq 6 SE RWD Long Range	361 miles	140
Ioniq 6 SE AWD Long Range	316 miles	121
Ioniq 6 SEL RWD	305 miles	117
Ioniq 6 SEL AWD	270 miles	103
Ioniq 6 Limited RWD	305 miles	117
Ioniq 6 Limited AWD	270 miles	103

In comparison

Ioniq 5 RWD (Long Range)	303 miles	114
Ioniq 5 RWD (Standard Range)	220 miles	110
Ioniq 5 AWD (Long Range)	256 miles	98
Model 3 RWD	272 miles	132
Model 3 Long Range AWD	358 miles	131
Model 3 Performance AWD	315 miles	113

Fuel Economy of 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5

Fuel economy of the 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5. 1984 to present Buyer's Guide to Fuel Efficient Cars and Trucks. Estimates of gas mileage, greenhouse gas emissions, safety ratings, and air pollution ratings for new and used cars and trucks.

www.fueleconomy.gov

Fuel Economy of 2023 Tesla Model 3

Fuel economy of the 2023 Tesla Model 3. 1984 to present Buyer's Guide to Fuel Efficient Cars and Trucks. Estimates of gas mileage, greenhouse gas emissions, safety ratings, and air pollution ratings for new and used cars and trucks.

www.fueleconomy.gov

Well that's disappointing.

The Hyundai is probably the better car overall but it's still - still - not the better EV than Tesla.

 

[Tornado]

Kind of spoiling the surprise here but...

 

[05XR8]

I’m getting Saab feels from that rear. Starting to like it. Even the SPG two-tone theme.

 

[Keef]

Seems like this thread is where we talk about all Hyundai Ioniq and Kia EV products. May I kinda request a thread name change @Eunos_Cosmo?

I couldn't find the discussion on the Kia EV9 concept but the production version has leaked and it's pretty gnarly looking.



Bold, tough, unique. I like it. It looks worthy of Rivian-like off-road chops but I doubt they'll go that far.