I Quit GT4, PD made it way to hard for the Average Racer.

[eastley]

I suppose I can do what i did in GT3, I never got the S licence in that either but the night before GT4 release here in Australia I loaded it up and wam!!! Had every licence done except the Monaco GP one (Cote d'Azur I think). Then I changed it to manual and got it first time. So now I have all the licences in GT3 finally done.

 

[98cobra]

Right now I'm doing the GT World Championship and it is pretty challenging even with my 1,000hp Jaguar XJR racecar with the assists turned off. It's fun though. 👍

 

[theRukus]

i thoguht this game was easier than GT3 (but then i was a newbie back then)..
licenses were piss easy etc etc

most of the missions are ok - some are extremely hard, but i like the challenge.

 

[JohnBM01]

Now, the key part of this thread is the phrase "the average racer." Eastley, I'm going to try to tell you my side of this deal from the perspective of a GT veteran and from a passionate standpoint.

Eastley, this past Monday, my mom FINALLY bought GT4 for me. I couldn't be any more happier to play this game. As I was talking with one of my GTP buddies, the strategy for GT4's license tests are more of easy to learn, difficult to master. As long as you don't do anything completely foolish or drive like crap, there should be no reason to at least get a Bronze out of the deal. Getting used to some of the new car physics can be pretty tough. Front-drive, rear-drive, and four-wheel drive have all changed. There is a lot more to do and take advantage of. Take it from me. I basically had to unlearn what I've learned about past GT games coming with GT4. This game basically told me to step my game up if I am to become a GT4 master. It's going to be tough, but DO NOT give up. Keep practicing and do your best. You're a casual gaming fan? Try to learn the game as best as possible. If you're not the best racer, that's why there is B-Spec. Use it. Master it. Love it.

The average pushover would say that you're a wimp for giving up like this. But if you know you're not good, you have several alternatives. All I'm saying is... keep going. GT4 is hard, but it isn't impossible. And I'm serious here. If you know you're not all that good, keep practicing. This is only my third (official) day working with GT4, and even I haven't mastered everything yet. So if you learn anything from me, it's to NOT GIVE UP! And if it makes you feel any better, I wish you the best in your future GT4 races. And if this also means anything to you, nevermind A-Spec and B-Spec points. Nevermind 100% completion. Nevermind all Golds. Just race to win.

 

[JRizEJ6]

i dont know. some people just arent capable of playing a game like GT4, or the GT series for that matter. ive been in the game since GT1 so ive learned how to take turns and how each drivetrain behaves from the GT series (since i cant go out in real life and throw real cars around a track). but i still dont know how to set up a suspension properly and how to tune LSD and all that other good stuff that makes GT what it is. but i still do quite well on my own.

but indeed practice makes perfect. when GT1 came out in 98 i was 11 years old. imagine that an 11 y/o picking up and playing a driving sim. at first i wasnt good and played like how some of my friends play who know nothing about racing. but you know after some time you start to pick things up and you just keep getting better and better.

 

[Touring Mars]

nevermind A-Spec and B-Spec points. Nevermind 100% completion. Nevermind all Golds. Just race to win.

Amen to that 👍 I too find the challenges of the Nurburgring a bit much at the moment, but just take the Peugeot 205 Rally Car out for a spin on it and enjoy the ride... I can't even do a clean lap in that thing, but it is great fun nonetheless...The game has much to offer to players of all levels, but it was meant to entertain, not frustrate... the more you enjoy playing, the better you will get.

 

[eastley]

Well I just checked my status in GT4 and it is as follows:

Day 488
29.5% Completed
A-Spec Mileage: 1,599km
A-Spec Points: 3834
Win Percentage: 207/215 = 96.2%
212 Trophies
number of Cars Owned: 85 Cars
Obtained A,B,IA,IB Licences. Completes 8 S Licences
Gold: 1
Silver: 15
Bronze: 56
61 Cars Won
2,391,100 in Prize Money
1,409,565 Left In Bank.

B-Spec Mileage: 119km
Drivers Overall Skill: 2103
Machine Skill: 28
Course Skill: 19
Battle Skill: 19

So how does all that look to everyone?

 

[Hun200kmh]

To eastley and any other that has had difficulty with the licenses and missions.

I'm an average GT games racer. I have 99% of GT3 but all my S licenses in that game are bronze and I didn't have the patience to go any further. In GT4 I have a few golds but mostly silvers, and I'm not one of those guys that keep telling that all licenses were easy. Some weren't, at least for me. I'm still stuck with two bronzes (S-13(?) with the Audi R8 and S-16), but I'll get there (to all silvers, I mean).

btw, it's funny how some tests are hard for some and easy for others. I read in this thread that the Chamonix License test is very difficult to some. Well, I "silvered" it the first time I finished the lap, which was at my 3rd attempt. But I didn't read anything about the Audi R8 License test, and the truth is that I spent ONE HOUR with it (to get silver) and still couldn't do it (I'm 4 tenths of a second behind the silver time. I finally saved my best time (to have a ghost to follow tonight) and went on the Chamonix test.


About Mission 11, I finally did it last night, but the night before I went to bed thinking it was impossible.

My advice on this mission is: pick a breaking point for every corner. And break always BEFORE. NEVER start turning while breaking. Drive very, very smoothly, in fact so smoothly you'll think you're going too slow. But you aren't. In fact, you are driving faster.

Mission 12 is a pain if you know well the GT3 Laguna Seca. Forget the racing lines, braking points and whatever else you remember from GT3. You must do it and think of GT4's Laguna Seca as a completely new track to learn. And a very difficult one if you want to drive fast, as you need to do in Mission 12.

I think I wasted my first ten tries or so at that mission because I was still trying to drive that track like if I was playing GT3.

Good luck eastley, You and I and all other "normal" racers will get all those missions sooner or later.

 

[eastley]

To eastley and any other that has had difficulty with the licenses and missions.

I'm an average GT games racer. I have 99% of GT3 but all my S licenses in that game are bronze and I didn't have the patience to go any further. In GT4 I have a few golds but mostly silvers, and I'm not one of those guys that keep telling that all licenses were easy. Some weren't, at least for me. I'm still stuck with two bronzes (S-13(?) with the Audi R8 and S-16), but I'll get there (to all silvers, I mean).

btw, it's funny how some tests are hard for some and easy for others. I read in this thread that the Chamonix License test is very difficult to some. Well, I "silvered" it the first time I finished the lap, which was at my 3rd attempt. But I didn't read anything about the Audi R8 License test, and the truth is that I spent ONE HOUR with it (to get silver) and still couldn't do it (I'm 4 tenths of a second behind the silver time. I finally saved my best time (to have a ghost to follow tonight) and went on the Chamonix test.


About Mission 11, I finally did it last night, but the night before I went to bed thinking it was impossible.

My advice on this mission is: pick a breaking point for every corner. And break always BEFORE. NEVER start turning while breaking. Drive very, very smoothly, in fact so smoothly you'll think you're going too slow. But you aren't. In fact, you are driving faster.

Mission 12 is a pain if you know well the GT3 Laguna Seca. Forget the racing lines, braking points and whatever else you remember from GT3. You must do it and think of GT4's Laguna Seca as a completely new track to learn. And a very difficult one if you want to drive fast, as you need to do in Mission 12.

I think I wasted my first ten tries or so at that mission because I was still trying to drive that track like if I was playing GT3.

Good luck eastley, You and I and all other "normal" racers will get all those missions sooner or later.

Thanks for all the advice, I have played GT4 alot so I am a mad fan but just a average skilled racer. I'll keep going at it again and again I reckon, Eventually I will get some where.

 

[CFM]

Hmm tbh ive found this game to be the easiest of all them. I got at least bronze on every licence on my first try, about 95% of B/A i golded on my first try.

You're saying = I golded 30 of 32 licences on my first try, even the complete laps following the pace car on an unknown track.

I'm saying = You're full of crap.

 

[Ax Battler]

one mistake i find lots of "casual" racers do is press hard on throttle and brake whenever they use it.... i guess this pressure sensitive thing can be difficult to master for some ppl.....

We never had presure sensitive buttons in GT1/2 I was playing GT2 in preperation for GT4, old habits die hard and all that.

 

[TigJackson]

Oh dear God I hate Chamonix. Hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it!

I managed silver on the S License Test the first time I actually completed the circuit. I read a post somewhere, maybe on this site, where the person claimed that you could easily beat the Gold Demo time by 4 seconds by 'riding the fences'. I guess I am not as good as this fellow, because the first time that I managed to successfully 'ride the fences' without crashing out, I only beat the Gold Demo time by 3 seconds. Yeah, I know.....it is cheating, but I don't ever plan to actually race in the snow in real life.

 

[Liquid Li0n]

I got all silver on the licences. Maybe not always from the first time but after 5 tries it is ok. That ghost really helps. (also I read you can press R3 in Nat. B and Nat. A licence to get a raceline drawed).
Gold is indeed hard for me to but I have a few golds --> aspecially the rally tests.
Also the test from the nurburgring I thougt by my self: "there goes my silver bonus car", but the first time I drove it (and did not really went fast and braked a lot) I had silver from the first run

The special condition hall is easy. You just take an overpowered car and win it with keeping your eyes closed. Also the first 10 driving missions are easy. When you all complete this you have enough bonus cars. I only bought one car yet, everything I won, I did with bonuscars.

Since the A spec points have no extra meaning of bonuscredits* it isn't necessary to make it hard for your self.

*I think and read in many threads they haven't got a meaning, maybe some guys here know better.
I hope it was when you had for example 2500, 5000, 7500, etc. points you get a car or extra credits.

 

[Lethalchem]

You're saying = I golded 30 of 32 licences on my first try, even the complete laps following the pace car on an unknown track.

I'm saying = You're full of crap.

👍

 

[Cosmic]

This game being alot harder has turned me off it. I can't do any of the Mission after Mission 10. I can't even get close to 8 of the Super Licences I have left.

If your not a mad GT4 fan this game all seems to hard and frustrating. They should of Introduced a medal system in the missions. Such as if you pass all 6 cars you get gold, 5 is silver and 4 is bronze. Then the average racer might have a chance.

As for Licences some seem near impossible to even get bronze, I don't have a clue how some of you manage to Gold everything.

The missions are actually pretty easy, some of them.
And not talking about the bronze license times, it couldn't be easier.
I got silver by 3 seconds on s-16 on my first try ever

 

[f1king]

Hmm tbh ive found this game to be the easiest of all them. I got at least bronze on every licence on my first try, about 95% of B/A i golded on my first try. And as for the game itself ive found the new physics actually make it a whole lot easier to drive than before cause you can actually 'feel' the limits of youre car in a way.
The missions werent all THAT hard either ive got all the 1 lap wonders except the last (which i tried about 5 times and am still 7 secs off the leader at the end).

Wow Realy Full of it.

 

[da viper]

This game being alot harder has turned me off it. I can't do any of the Mission after Mission 10. I can't even get close to 8 of the Super Licences I have left.

If your not a mad GT4 fan this game all seems to hard and frustrating. They should of Introduced a medal system in the missions. Such as if you pass all 6 cars you get gold, 5 is silver and 4 is bronze. Then the average racer might have a chance.

As for Licences some seem near impossible to even get bronze, I don't have a clue how some of you manage to Gold everything.

I agree with you in some respects, but this is a real driving simulator ! you just have to get used to it. what more could anyone want? the chance to drive a dodge viper or a le mans car with the most realistic feeling ever? It took me a while, but after I got to know how a REAL car handles I was doing well on it. The driveing missions are hard though...

 

[Gek54]

Well I just checked my status in GT4 and it is as follows:

Day 488
29.5% Completed
A-Spec Mileage: 1,599km
A-Spec Points: 3834
Win Percentage: 207/215 = 96.2%
212 Trophies
number of Cars Owned: 85 Cars
Obtained A,B,IA,IB Licences. Completes 8 S Licences
Gold: 1
Silver: 15
Bronze: 56
61 Cars Won
2,391,100 in Prize Money
1,409,565 Left In Bank.

B-Spec Mileage: 119km
Drivers Overall Skill: 2103
Machine Skill: 28
Course Skill: 19
Battle Skill: 19

So how does all that look to everyone?

Day 96
0% Completed
A-Spec Mileage: 0km
A-Spec Points: 0
Win Percentage: 0/0 = 0%
0 Trophies
number of Cars Owned: 12 Cars
Obtained A,B,IA,IB Licences. Completed 12 S Licences
Gold: 76
Silver: 0
Bronze: 0
61 Cars Won
0 in Prize Money
10,000 Left In Bank.

B-Spec Mileage: 0km
Drivers Overall Skill: 0
Machine Skill: 0
Course Skill: 0
Battle Skill: 0

 

[Lambo88]

I achieved all golds on saturday and I'm really happy and proud of it. I can't understand the poor people that are sweating just getting the bronze. I earned it on the first try for all licenses and even silver in some cases, well the majority. the bonus cars are sometimes not worth the work but the bragging rights are big.

GT4 doesn't contain anything impossible even for the average GT vet.

 

[eastley]

I achieved all golds on saturday and I'm really happy and proud of it. I can't understand the poor people that are sweating just getting the bronze. I earned it on the first try for all licenses and even silver in some cases, well the majority. the bonus cars are sometimes not worth the work but the bragging rights are big.

GT4 doesn't contain anything impossible even for the average GT vet.

I must be Hopeless then.

 

[JohnBM01]

I was previewing some of the Mission Hall objectives, and in one of them, I thought it was going to be a piece of cake... until I had to start about 35 seconds back! Never passed a single car (aborted the game). And I almost won the Mission Hall deal with the Amuse S2000 GT1 slipstream deal.

By clearing all my licenses, I got a Cardinal Red Mercury Cougar. So far, it's the most powerful car I have. I guess if you're concerned about A-Spec points, when I first ran the Cougar in the FR championship, unmodded, I was at 30 A-Spec points. Finished the race in first place. Modded it up with my winnings and then some, then dropped town to 10 A-Spec. But you can get bigtime A-Spec points if you can clear a Mission Hall race. You may have to do a little cheating to win, but that's if you're completely desperate.

By the way, if you're good, you'll be able to finish the License Tests with snow/ice pretty easily. I got Silver in all or most of my ice-racing tests. So, try hard. And one more thing... Le Mans isn't too tough, but if you're not ready for the Nurburgring Nordschleife, stay FAR, FAR away from GT4 (and Enthusia... and Project Gotham Racing 2...). Something I learned is that the Nords' is like a rally course, and I think that's the best way to think about this course. Because, think about it. With all those corners, it's almost the road racing equivalent of a competitive rally race. I'm going to be honest. Nurburgring Nordschleife scares me. How so? I'm speedfreaking, then I see a quick corner come up, and DAMN! I'm in the wall. I have Le Mans experience in gaming, but the Nords is all new to me. And I'm sure to eventually master all 12 or 14 miles of it in the coming months.

 

[shambo]

👎 went out bought the lot ,,super slim ps2 ,the game ,the extra paddle,,ect,, on the 10 th my birthday (39) now im fed up with it ,its to hard,,i wish i had spent the £124,99 on my real m3 ,,, is there any cheats,,like on gt3??????? if not im selling it all (boxed)

 

[eastley]

👎 went out bought the lot ,,super slim ps2 ,the game ,the extra paddle,,ect,, on the 10 th my birthday (39) now im fed up with it ,its to hard,,i wish i had spent the £124,99 on my real m3 ,,, is there any cheats,,like on gt3??????? if not im selling it all (boxed)

Happy Birthday for the 10th.

I'm actually starting to get use to it now, took a while. I'm upto 30% done and i'm starting to tackle the Indurance races. Already won Grand Valley in a Woodone Supra. That car is way to light, trying to handle it with worn tires is hard.

 

[JohnBM01]

Oh, the JGTC Race Cars are great to race with. They've been getting better since GT2, then damn good in GT3, and in GT4, never been better.

I'm at 3% completion since retrying the Muscle Car race at New York three times. A good thing is that for races you don't win, you can retry to get a better score. If you know your car is great and you can win the race and you don't win, try again. A good way to know if the race will be easy for you is to watch your A-Spec points. If it's above 10, it's going to be tough. But if it is below 10, you may have a pretty easy race. The lower the points, the better your chances.

 

[BAZZ]

You and alot of people must be gifted some of my lap times I thought were good but hey alot of people are like 10 seconds better so I Suck Major Arse

Practice right? Heh, im not near as good as some of the people on theese forums (yeah, some of you are just N_U_T_S_!) but i do think that im starting to do quite "ok" laptimes. However, i remember my ever first race in Gran Turismo. It was a Corvette 427 at High Speed Ring. Let me tell you,it was not pretty or particulary fast but after some couple of months i did have my 400R in the garage so...👍 Go figure. If i can do it, you can. No question about that.
And to be honest, i dont think anyone else was all that much better their first couple laps in any GT-game. Progression cant be the same (as fast) for everyone aye?
Another aspect thats been brought up here a couple times is the "how fun would it be if it was too easy"-thingey. And yeah, seriously. One of the things that kept me playing GT1/2/3 so long was the diffculty in (some of the race but even more) the licenses. Nailing that last gold is almost like making birth to a egg or something. Have not tried the last thing myself but, get the point..

Maybe you (eastley) should get some sort of cheat system or whatever? I mean, maybe that will get you to keep on trying some more later on without going _to_ awol on the controller/wheel? Then starting a new game when you feel like its time? Bah, just ideas and thoughts anyway.
Note: I do not encourage anyone to "spoil" the game but if its the only thing that gonna save one fella from eating up the dvd (without opening the tray, (tricky aye)) then it cant be bad right?

Oh well, post is getting to long and boring so, take care everyone.
/E.

 

[Kremithefrog]

HAHA, mad at the game being challenging. License tests are very easy to get bronze. I think I only got hung up one for about 15-20 minutes. Haven't really attempted many of the missions yet but ones I've done so far have been easy.

 

[FRST]

Early races are too easy and make it playing "regular cars" not so fun a shame cause I'm only interested in "road legal" cars boosted as they might, Japanese tuned cars like the Min'es Skyline and Amuse S2000 R1 are great mildly tuned Civics are even better, JGTC..don't care.

European gold licenses are way too hard (for some you can cut 4secs from US times ! and it's NOT on full laps licenses ) why the hell always make them harder than the JP and US ones only the 1337 will ever win them and considering you get some cars you can't get any other way that's just STUPID !!! (got some golds in NB,NA,IB lots of silvers in those too and only bronze in the last licenses).

Also I'm currently stuck on mission 11 they are seriously crazy ! GT4 has some serious balancing problems there I've finished the licenses in GT4 prologue and the difficulty was much better made ! For overtaking missions like the 11, in gt4p it started with one car to overtake on NY and you had a better car than him then 3 then 5 and difficulty was growing in GT4 BAM ! 1st mission you must overtake 5 cars with half a lap delay and not that great of a car 👎 lame
I will eventually do them but having fun while doing them is something else and I would really have a more progressive difficulty as it is it's just not motivating me to do them I'm skipping them for now..too bad.

 

[eastley]

HAHA, mad at the game being challenging. License tests are very easy to get bronze. I think I only got hung up one for about 15-20 minutes. Haven't really attempted many of the missions yet but ones I've done so far have been easy.

You Legend...

 

[Leppter]

passed my first real challenge in the game yesterday....literally spent 4 hours straight on the final mission hall test. About 3 hours in i lost by 0.083! :|, but after that i consistantly finished within 1-2 seconds until i finally got it.
I can now drive the ring in my sleep tho so its all worth it.

 

[Soman]

Try GTR for the PC instead or Enthusia : )