i want flat floor and aero option for every car
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- sparkytooth50001
The amount of Picard and children in this thread is too damn high.
Umm... Not every single known machine in the universe can have a wing or flat foor on it.
Umm... Not every single known machine in the universe can have a wing or flat foor on it.
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- WarriusZero
I agree, not every single car needs it (Citroen 2CV, if I had to give one example) but I guess a few more could do with it, although I have to admit I don't know how many cars have this option available.
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- ace004
There should be exterior mods for almost every car. And multiple exterior options that go beyond what you are asking for. I have said this in other threads. PD comes out with this shiny new aerodynamics model and only gives us a couple of aero options? That's embarrassing. We should have tons of aero options like real cars do.
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- Exorcet
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I'd love to hear why.
In stock form a traditional rear wing may not provide much help to some cars, but there is tuning. Additionally, GT ignores any wing beyond near useless show pieces and endurance racing types (by my GT5 experience). There are aero parts for slower cars, some that would benefit vehicles like the 2CV if you were looking to get every advantage you could.
Yes. There are basically an infinite number of options for each car in reality. If PD really wanted to step things up, slow down on premade wings and give us a wing sculptor mode. More content and then on top of that PD wouldn't have to be the one making all that content.
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- sparkytooth50001
Machines as far back as the 40s, 30s, and 50s, don't need one. Certain concept cars can't really allow for one, Racecars already have one, other machines look terribly tacky with one, or wings don't really do anything to help them performance wise.
As for flat floors, I could see these used more openly in all sorts of machines.
As for flat floors, I could see these used more openly in all sorts of machines.
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- OriginalCheezIt
Look, we already have a Daihatsu Midget with a wing. Do you really wanna see a diffuser on there too?
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- GTP_Nismo
It seems flat floor is a rather pointless modification. Takes up a lot of PP but doesn't give an equal amount of benefit.
I feel that wings on standards is as far as it should go. Just keep it as is. I couldn't imagine PD making aero parts to match the visual quality of standard cars. They are trying to move forward so why take this step back?
I feel that wings on standards is as far as it should go. Just keep it as is. I couldn't imagine PD making aero parts to match the visual quality of standard cars. They are trying to move forward so why take this step back?
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- Exorcet
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Why don't they need one? They probably make more lift than modern cars without wings. They very well could need wings more.
I can't really think of many examples.
If the geometry is hard to work with close to the car, there is always this:
That works for certain tracks and not others. While in GT, we change wing angle (or something) going between tracks, race teams might change the entire wing. Race cars should have wing options as well. They're not special. There wings and aero is only so good in certain areas.
They still benefit. What looks tacky or not is up to the individual anyway.
That would be a very very tiny fraction of cars, possibly none of the cars. Don't forget about tuning if you're worried about them being too slow.
It's because it's done incorrectly. Just as wings were incorrect for most of GT5; there was almost no point to use less than max downforce outside of PP concerns.
I'd consider it a step back ignoring the standard cars, but anyway they don't even need visual models. The parts could make no visible change but still impact performance.
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That would be great!
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- BrandonW77
When I found out I couldn't put a flat floor on my Nissan Cube I sold my copy of the game. Inexcusable PD, inexcusable.
Oh, and here's my meme contribution.
Oh, and here's my meme contribution.
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- WarriusZero
@Exorcet, you say "to take every advantage you could". That's the thing, while I respect that one will want to both personalise and improve his car, I take cars the way they have been built, I don't feel the need to improve them. I guess by driving the stock version, I feel more like I'm on a 'real' driving simulator, as naive as that may be...
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- crispychicken49
- crispychicken49
My biggest problem is not being able to adjust downforce for the front end of a car when you add an adjustable splitter. Sorry PD I just wanted to tune out high-speed understeer, but I guess I can't do that!
One thing I'd like added, is bodykits for different model cars. An example would be turning an '04 NB MX-5 and slap a Mazdaspeed kit on the car. Then people can have endless combinations of cars.
I think the weirdest thing is not having classic racing options for cars. I'd like some of my 70's cars to have time period accurate bodykits in addition to massive modern wings.
I'd like to add. If PD's aero-model is really up to snuff, then any wing added will provide a performance increase no matter what. I saw a cool video on here which demonstrated that just adding a wing to a car allows for the turbulent air at the back to be farther away from the car, decreasing drag. Any car, whether it is a spoiler, or wing, should benefit. (Wings have the added benefit of increasing downforce, however they slightly increase drag. The increase in drag is pointless as the amount of drag decreased by the turbulent air being even farther back effectively cancels out the increased drag of downforce. (And then some)
One thing I'd like added, is bodykits for different model cars. An example would be turning an '04 NB MX-5 and slap a Mazdaspeed kit on the car. Then people can have endless combinations of cars.
I think the weirdest thing is not having classic racing options for cars. I'd like some of my 70's cars to have time period accurate bodykits in addition to massive modern wings.
I'd like to add. If PD's aero-model is really up to snuff, then any wing added will provide a performance increase no matter what. I saw a cool video on here which demonstrated that just adding a wing to a car allows for the turbulent air at the back to be farther away from the car, decreasing drag. Any car, whether it is a spoiler, or wing, should benefit. (Wings have the added benefit of increasing downforce, however they slightly increase drag. The increase in drag is pointless as the amount of drag decreased by the turbulent air being even farther back effectively cancels out the increased drag of downforce. (And then some)
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- WarriusZero
"I think the weirdest thing is not having classic racing options for cars. I'd like some of my 70's cars to have time period accurate bodykits in addition to massive modern wings."
... instead of massive modern wings, not in addition. Who would put a carbon fiber wing on a 50 year old car?!
... instead of massive modern wings, not in addition. Who would put a carbon fiber wing on a 50 year old car?!
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- Exorcet
- OE Exorcet
A very good point.
One thing I'd like added, is bodykits for different model cars. An example would be turning an '04 NB MX-5 and slap a Mazdaspeed kit on the car. Then people can have endless combinations of cars.
Also true, I did like the RM's for the 70's car in GT5, but sadly the behaved as if they were modern race cars. Hopefully the new aero model can fix this and add more diverse racing.
This isn't actually true. Most cars will suffer more drag from a wing. A wing reducing drag is an uncommon special case.
The standards don't bother me at all. They look fine and they take less time to make. I like them more than premiums, but that's a different subject.
No, never instead, always in addition. Options please. Reason to put such a wing on such a car include making it faster, which tends to be important in racing. There's no reason to say (unrealistically I might add) that old cars can't be allowed to go fast.
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- sparkytooth50001
The only way I could see this working on almost all machines, is if you can do full body conversions into a completely CF body for X machine. And being able to design your own body for said machine.
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- crispychicken49
- crispychicken49
@Exorcet Correct me if I'm wrong, but a small spoiler should decrease drag. A car has lift at higher speeds which causes a vortex where low and high pressure air meets at the rear, thus causing drag. Adding a small spoiler would help airflow better over to car to where the high pressure air (Going over the wing) and the low pressure air (Going under the car) meet farther back lessening the vortex created by the lifting of a car. Although I may be wrong.
Though I am mistaken about a wing decreasing lift.
Here's the video I was talking about!
Though I am mistaken about a wing decreasing lift.
Here's the video I was talking about!
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- Exorcet
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Spoilers are always situational. This might be an extreme example, but on a solar car, a spoiler is a terrible idea.
Spoilers work by promoting clear flow separation. They try to remove things such a vortices or unsteady separation from a surface which tend to create low pressure or high energy loss. If your car isn't producing these things in the first place, the spoiler is only going to increase the area that is at the vehicle's wake pressure and it will increase drag.
The issue with wings is while they have low pressure drag, they generate induced drag. A wing is practically guaranteed to slow your car down except in some special cases.
I watched the video, it's a nice high level overview, but I think they tried to simplify it too much. It's not so simple as throwing on a spoiler and going faster.
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Could you please provide an example of any vehicle that physically CAN NOT have aero work done to it???
You opinion on cars you feel should not have aero work done to them doesn't count lol.....
Please PD, dont include any more aero options...save is from ourselves and that aweful human trait we call creativity.
/sarcasm..... clowns
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- sparkytooth50001
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Umm, I guess so?
Guess that's what I get for being opinionated. I quit the GT6 forums
The point I was making was that, in response to your statement " not every vehicle in the universe can have aero work done" (paraphrased), I simply ask, give me an example of one?
I don't care what country, what era, what manufacturer...there is not a single car ever made that can not have aero work done to it. GT wing on a Model T, sure! Given the resources and desire, anyone can do aero work on any car. Hell, I could fab up a carbon splitter for my toaster if I really wanted to.
I do feel that there are certain cars that generally look better without aero work done to them and I would personally leave them untouched....but to say that it's either physically impossible, or to imply that it should somehow not be allowed, is 🤬 absurd, in my humble opinion.
Please don't quit GTP on account of me lol. You are allowed to have an opinion and to express it....being opinionated is generally looked down on (and to be honest, I didn't really think you we're being opinionated, just sharing your opinion)
The last paragraph in my first post was not aimed directly at you, but rather at those who oppose the addition of more customization because they feel looking at other people's creations will ruin their gaming experience.
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- sparkytooth50001
No. It's not you, it's the entire section of this forum that is sickening me slowly.
Stop manipulating my words, I only mentioned Wings and Flat floors. Try adding those to a car like the Schwimmwagen, the Kubelwagen, it looks terrible and really doesn't do anything for the machine, if you could add it that is, as you'd need to convert it into something else entirely. I highly doubt every single engine and 4 wheeled thing can have atleast a wing added to it, and that's what I think about this whole matter.
Stop manipulating my words, I only mentioned Wings and Flat floors. Try adding those to a car like the Schwimmwagen, the Kubelwagen, it looks terrible and really doesn't do anything for the machine, if you could add it that is, as you'd need to convert it into something else entirely. I highly doubt every single engine and 4 wheeled thing can have atleast a wing added to it, and that's what I think about this whole matter.
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HERESY
HERESY
At least they didn't "destroyed" the body.
