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I think the physical affects could be overcome with clever use of g-suits to keep blood in the necessary places.

I think the biggest limiter is the tires, but I don't doubt that we'll get there one day, probably sooner than we all think.
 
But the problem was continuous G forces in 1 direction, because it is in oval.
True, however, from the video shown, this car is averaging a speed not far off the CART cars. And though it isn't going in 1 direction or experiencing vertical & horizion G's like the CART drivers, the driver is under constant Gs from nearly each & every corner of Suzuka considering the X1 was running over 300Kph through each of them.
In theory an F1 driver like Vettel should be able to handle this car around a road course of some sort with not too much issue.
Yes. In theory.
Probably only for a few laps but enough. F1 drivers are in far greater physical shape than any of the CART guys back then or IRL guys today.
At these speeds around Suzuka, I doubt a few laps. As for physical fitness, it wouldn't matter between the 2. Any driver attempting to run this course up to 260Mph through a turn would be spending a long time just running the course at half the car's "supposed" capabilities & going through intense training before even attempting to go flat out.
I think the physical affects could be overcome with clever use of g-suits to keep blood in the necessary places.
G-Suits can manage blood circulation. Musclar stress is another issue.
 
The muscle strength part would definitely be difficult, I hadn't thought of that.

Your head and body aren't a problem since you can just strap those down really tight. The arms and legs are a problem though. Trying to steer while cornering at those extreme G's would probably be impossible.

The lateral G's would be trying to rip your feet off the pedals and take your hands off the wheel.

Maybe your legs could be fastened in and your feet fastened to the pedals so you don't have to hold them there. Not sure about the hands though. Not to mention you'd need help getting out and would probably die in the event of a fire.
 
The muscle strength part would definitely be difficult, I hadn't thought of that.

Your head and body aren't a problem since you can just strap those down really tight. The arms and legs are a problem though. Trying to steer while cornering at those extreme G's would probably be impossible.

The lateral G's would be trying to rip your feet off the pedals and take your hands off the wheel.

Maybe your legs could be fastened in and your feet fastened to the pedals so you don't have to hold them there. Not sure about the hands though. Not to mention you'd need help getting out and would probably die in the event of a fire.
At one point in the video, the car went from 400 to 300kph in around a second. That's 248mph to 186Mph for US guys. Unlike in the video, your body would violently go forward & being strapped in, I can't imagine what kind of force the straps would exert on you as your body tried to move forward from the sheer braking power. :crazy:
 
Nope. F1 car can't hit 400 km/h in principle due to aerodynamics. And Veyron needs around 11 km of straight line for 400 km/h, here it like 100 meters.

Also there is no tires in existence which could possibly hold this car inside the turn at such speed

An F1 can hit 400, it just needs a lot more power, so its not a simple "cant'" in principle. But unless you mean in their current state, you are right f1 cars can't hit 400. Unless ofcourse they had perfect tailwinds of over 70kph(which doesn't commonly happen lol), and even then they would need modified gear ratios and aero.

One thing you have misinterpreted however is its not just the tyres that give the x1 that supposed amazing road holding, its the downforce, or rather suckforce. I've actually wondered why people don't use fans to suck cars to the ground for over a decade, looks like someone finnally had the same thought in 2010 and did something with it.

Though realistically, even if you built this car it would NOT turn out in the state you see it in gt5, it would be a deathtrap that hardly ever works to its full potential.
You will get amazing grip in the right conditions, and you could probably pull close Gs to what you see in gt5, but any sort of bump or mishap or flutter in the aerodynamics will immediately loose all that roadholding and will send the car flying into oblivion.

You guys are arguing about the driver not being able to handle the Gs but thats childs play compared a real life built X1 behaving in a way the game illustrates it. I think you can safely bid farewell to anyone that attempts to replicate that reply in real life because the car will get unstuck and fly off the road. That said a much toned down version of what you see in gt5, but still crazy none the less is very doable in life IMO.
 
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One thing you have misinterpreted however is its not just the tyres that give the x1 that supposed amazing road holding, its the downforce, or rather suckforce. I've actually wondered why people don't use fans to suck cars to the ground for over a decade, looks like someone finnally had the same thought in 2010 and did something with it.

It has been tried before but it has since been banned from most racing serries.
 
Not necessarily. Its not as if that car would just have any old racing tires. If it were real, it would likely have specially designed tires specifically for this car because of the cornering speeds it takes.



Keep in mind, this was designed with no rules or regulations and it uses some banned racing technologies, which naturally make that possible. Also, you never know. We might have cars that manage to do it twice as fast.

You're not serious right? :dunce:
 
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One thing you have misinterpreted however is its not just the tyres that give the x1 that supposed amazing road holding, its the downforce, or rather suckforce. I've actually wondered why people don't use fans to suck cars to the ground for over a decade, looks like someone finnally had the same thought in 2010 and did something with it.

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Decade? 1978 was the one and only fan "ground effect" car, the Brabham BT46B which was banned after its first race/win. No other race series has anywhere near the open Formula that F1 has/had so noone could ever bother to try that. It really has no practical application on the street.

The problem with using a fan like that for downforce in a race car at the level shown with the X1, is that if it did fail mid corner it would probably jump off the track. Taking a corner at 200 mph, a slide off the track isn't gonna get stopped in the sand trap.
 
No matter any of the above comments, this car is just utter garbage. Yes its jaw dropping, but its also a stupid gimmick added in for novelty purposes and holds no excitement for me whatsoever. Im all about "real driving simulation", like many people on here, that is why i buy GT games. No track that exists in the world today would be suitable for this car, and as for tyre technology...forget it. This would need to run super slick tyres on a heated super slick rubber fabricated track to stand any chance at all. Fans!!?? yeh right. Just nonesense. I have been playing this game nonestop since i got it on launch day, and dont get me wrong i love it, becasue its a GT game. Graphically its the best ive ever seen, but as a racer its poor. It lacks depth in many areas for me compared to earlier titles, but i would never call it out as a "failure". With cars as daft as this in it though, i just doubt its credibility more every day. For me, this is the 1st GT game that has been made purely as an Online racer, the single player mode is just a token gesture. Shame.
 
Decade? 1978 was the one and only fan "ground effect" car, the Brabham BT46B which was banned after its first race/win. No other race series has anywhere near the open Formula that F1 has/had so noone could ever bother to try that. It really has no practical application on the street.

The problem with using a fan like that for downforce in a race car at the level shown with the X1, is that if it did fail mid corner it would probably jump off the track. Taking a corner at 200 mph, a slide off the track isn't gonna get stopped in the sand trap.

Don't forget the chaparral 2J, that has fans powered by a 2 stroke motor.
 
This car is garbage !! Again an - in this case really stupid gimmick they used their time for instead of developing a good gameplay.

There is no use of such a "scienc fiction" car.
Instead of making such a "above and beyond" car and making premium models of the "Kübelwagen" they should have focused on everything in between.
 
You're not serious right? :dunce:

I'm assuming you too are not convinced about the possibility of this car coming to life despite it being made with real life physics in mind.


No track that exists in the world today would be suitable for this car, and as for tyre technology...forget it. This would need to run super slick tyres on a heated super slick rubber fabricated track to stand any chance at all. Fans!!?? yeh right. Just nonesense. I have been playing this game nonestop since i got it on launch day, and dont get me wrong i love it, becasue its a GT game.

Strange you feel this way about there being a fan car considering you know what the Chapperal 2J is since you brought GT4.
 
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Has anybody done a lap around the Nordschleife in it yet? I'm guessing it could do a sub 4 minute time easily
 
I think its possible to get 500km/h speed with this car by drafting other cars. I managed to get 495km/h on some ring track.
 
Has anybody done a lap around the Nordschleife in it yet? I'm guessing it could do a sub 4 minute time easily

I just did the 4 hour endurance on nordschleife, managed to get 5:07.560 even with 1 spin. You can easily get under 5 minute if you try hard enough.
 
Decade? 1978 was the one and only fan "ground effect" car, the Brabham BT46B which was banned after its first race/win. No other race series has anywhere near the open Formula that F1 has/had so noone could ever bother to try that. It really has no practical application on the street.

The problem with using a fan like that for downforce in a race car at the level shown with the X1, is that if it did fail mid corner it would probably jump off the track. Taking a corner at 200 mph, a slide off the track isn't gonna get stopped in the sand trap.

Just a piece of information. The McLaren F1, that has been designed by the same Gordon Murray that designed that Brabham, has fans that produce ground effect. Although they may not have practical application on the street, they were featured in a street car. I guess the Ferrari F50 have them too.
 
One of these cars going around a track for real would be something to see if it was possible. A race full of these cars though? Boring. No overtaking at all. It'd be worse than F1.
 
Just a piece of information. The McLaren F1, that has been designed by the same Gordon Murray that designed that Brabham, has fans that produce ground effect. Although they may not have practical application on the street, they were featured in a street car. I guess the Ferrari F50 have them too.

I am afraid you are wrong, they do not have ground effect fans. The only cars ever produced with them are the Brabham and the Chaparral. I have been in an F50 and I have been to the McLaren factory they just don't have those fans. Check your facts mate.
 
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