Infiniti G35 vs. Cadillac CTS vs. Lexus IS350... the COMPARO to end all COMPAROS!!!

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The 300C?

Technically you are correct, it should be in there. But personally speaking, I'm not even sure to hang it out in the same league as the others. One could likely throw in the MKZ as well, but then we'd all just laugh at it. The thing is, the 300C is a really good car for most people. It looks good, drives well, but they really aren't screwed together all that well. And then there is that pesky American with the Aussie accent...

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(G8 GT FTW! Hooray for saving $6000 and not losing much MPG!)
 
Ya I suppose you are right about the 300C, every one I have driven felt like rubbish. And the G8, while I think it feels insanely cheap, I know it's going to be a pretty good car based on the reviews. Automobile put it up against the BMW 5-series in the lastest issue and they were impressed at how well they compared.
 
The 300C is rubbish, do I really need to open up my box of hatred for that car in this thead? I hope not.

The G8 is actually a good one to throw in the mix, if you pick the high range model with the 400+bhp.
 
This is fun! I'll try those!

CHRYSLER 300C SRT DESIGN
340HP V8 - 5-speed auto
OPTIONS: Came with 20" wheels, etc. standard
PRICE: $39,000 on the nose.

VERDICT: Wait, it's HOW much? For THAT?! Even as a Mopar guy, that's a bit steep.

LINCOLN MKZ (AWD)
263HP - Auto tranny
OPTIONS: I got HID lamps and a new radio. Happy?
PRICE: $32,660

VERDICT: You get what you pay for.

PONTIAC G8 GT
362 HP, 6-speed stick
OPTIONS: Loaded. Sport package, Premium Package, sunroof, some insane metallic orange. (There's gotta be more than that...)
Price: $32,745

Verdict: Still to be considered a Charger/Genesis Competitor.

NOTE: None of these cars are even in this league...and are all marketed as larger cars.
 
they all seem a bit boring tbh.

3.0 liter Twin Turbo audi A4 is coming soon to compete with the 335i. 330hp apparently.
 
Jim Prower
This is fun! I'll try those!

CHRYSLER 300C SRT DESIGN
340HP V8 - 5-speed auto
OPTIONS: Came with 20" wheels, etc. standard
PRICE: $39,000 on the nose.

VERDICT: Wait, it's HOW much? For THAT?! Even as a Mopar guy, that's a bit steep.

LINCOLN MKZ (AWD)
263HP - Auto tranny
OPTIONS: I got HID lamps and a new radio. Happy?
PRICE: $32,660

VERDICT: You get what you pay for.

PONTIAC G8 GT
362 HP, 6-speed stick
OPTIONS: Loaded. Sport package, Premium Package, sunroof, some insane metallic orange. (There's gotta be more than that...)
Price: $32,745

Verdict: Still to be considered a Charger/Genesis Competitor.

NOTE: None of these cars are even in this league...and are all marketed as larger cars.
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I fixed the MKZ's power number for you. And I'd rather have that than the BMW or Lexus.

Wait until this appears. :D --> http://www.leftlanenews.com/early-look-lincoln-mkr-concept.html
 
Ah, Thank you. Fixed. Still, I guess the interior's not as nice...and forget about the Driving Dynamics. (What I'm concerned about)

But, yes, when that EcoBoost hits...well, just look at your Sig.
 
M5Power
Yeah see that's the thing. With the BMW you're $7k north of the G35 and you're missing features. "True drivers" won't care, but that's exactly why BMW is seeing their market share shrink with each passing day - only a very small segment of this population is a "true driver." That explains why a car yet to be mentioned in this thread - the Acura TL - is the most popular car in this segment.
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And I'd reckon a few of those "true drivers" have less stringent "ultimate driving" standards than they did before. Otherwise they might not accept the tremendous weight of these ultimate driving machines. I don't think BMW's drivers are as drivey as they once were.
 
Thats why we're all supposed to go and love the 1-series, which I'm still having a hard time doing with that price...
 
Yes. I believe we should all buy a tiny, way overpriced Bimmer that still weighs 3400 pounds. Jesus!

Also, I would take a G8 GT over a 330 any day.
 
The G8 GT is the coup d’état entrant in this segment. Its not much larger than the CTS (small amounts under most circumstances), but of course, even the CTS is a monster compared to the 3er.

For less than $33K fully-loaded with that kind of performance, I'm not sure if there is anything else out there like it.
 
But it's a different kind of performance. I'd still rather pay extra for a G35.
 
The G8 GT is much nicer on interior room.........wait- I don't even get the others Down Under. Still, far cheaper than all these V6s and you get a V8 with almost half decent mileage. It comes down to running costs of the G8 rather than ticket price. (V8 Rego, insurance, services etc.)
 
Automobile compared the G8 to the 5-series so I have to imagine they are similar in size and space. I'm pretty sure they said something about not using the 3-series because it was smaller.
 
Yes, the G8 is a 5-series competitor. I took my calipers to the Detroit show and measured the kink the the rear windows. Yup, it's a 5 series. The 3's kink is about .07874 inches shorter...
 
M5Power
How big is the G8? It seems like it's more M35/5-series sized. Price could make it a competitor here, but if it were me I'd reject it on size. I want something tossable dammit!
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1) Both the CTS and the G8 GT are larger than the 3-series

The CTS is about five inches longer in wheelbase, the G8 adding one more. Both the Cadillac and the Pontiac are nearly two feet longer, about 1-3 inches wider, and about 500 lbs heavier. The Pontiac is not much bigger than the Caddy, but you get the picture.

2) The G8 GT will handle just as well as the others as far as I can tell. Its very sure-footed, athletic, and of course Germanic in most of it's moves. Granted, its not going to be nearly as "sharp" as the BMW 3-series, but you can easily toss it into a corner and maintain grip consistently.

3) So yeah... The CTS and the G8, more or less, are 5-series competitors. The Infiniti M45 and Lexus GS430 both would be better ground to compare, problem is, the GM cars come in at (or under) 3-series pricing. So, they end up being competition to some extent...
 
M5Power
How big is the G8? It seems like it's more M35/5-series sized. Price could make it a competitor here, but if it were me I'd reject it on size. I want something tossable dammit!

Man this poll is close!!!
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The G8 is about the same size as the CTS. The CTS is MUCH bigger than the 3er. You're lucky that I didn't find this thread earlier. I would've been maaaaad if I had gotten in here when you all realized how much more expensive the CTS is, and didn't realize how much larger it was.


Joey D
Automobile compared the G8 to the 5-series so I have to imagine they are similar in size and space. I'm pretty sure they said something about not using the 3-series because it was smaller.
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Motor Trend said that the cars grip was comparable to that of the smaller 335i. Just about every mag did.

YSSMAN
1) Both the CTS and the G8 GT are larger than the 3-series

The CTS is about five inches longer in wheelbase, the G8 adding one more. Both the Cadillac and the Pontiac are nearly two feet longer, about 1-3 inches wider, and about 500 lbs heavier. The Pontiac is not much bigger than the Caddy, but you get the picture.

2) The G8 GT will handle just as well as the others as far as I can tell. Its very sure-footed, athletic, and of course Germanic in most of it's moves. Granted, its not going to be nearly as "sharp" as the BMW 3-series, but you can easily toss it into a corner and maintain grip consistently.

3) So yeah... The CTS and the G8, more or less, are 5-series competitors. The Infiniti M45 and Lexus GS430 both would be better ground to compare, problem is, the GM cars come in at (or under) 3-series pricing. So, they end up being competition to some extent...
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I'm quite surprised that you didn't do this earlier in the thread. The cars are comparable on price only.


But yeah, I'd still take the CTS over either the Lexus or the G35. The Lexus is much too small (:p), and the G35 looks awkward in sedan form. And it's too small. I was veeeery uncomfortable in the backseat of both.

EDIT: Currently making a thread to compare correct-sized vehicles. :p
 
YSSMAN
1) Both the CTS and the G8 GT are larger than the 3-series

The CTS is about five inches longer in wheelbase, the G8 adding one more. Both the Cadillac and the Pontiac are nearly two feet longer, about 1-3 inches wider, and about 500 lbs heavier. The Pontiac is not much bigger than the Caddy, but you get the picture.

2) The G8 GT will handle just as well as the others as far as I can tell. Its very sure-footed, athletic, and of course Germanic in most of it's moves. Granted, its not going to be nearly as "sharp" as the BMW 3-series, but you can easily toss it into a corner and maintain grip consistently.

3) So yeah... The CTS and the G8, more or less, are 5-series competitors. The Infiniti M45 and Lexus GS430 both would be better ground to compare, problem is, the GM cars come in at (or under) 3-series pricing. So, they end up being competition to some extent...
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You said it, there's a magzine out now that might give a brief glimpse of what the W427 (the 7.0L HSV, same body as G8/Commodore) can do against the 5 series. It has a comparo that I think involves- oh no wait, it was an M3, a CSV (aftermarket company tunes Holdens, put a 7.0L in an HSV recently) vs a BMW M3 vs I think an RS4. So because of added weight I guess the G8 will compete with the 3 series on performance and price, just not practicality where the G8 will own all.
 
Keef
And I'd reckon a few of those "true drivers" have less stringent "ultimate driving" standards than they did before. Otherwise they might not accept the tremendous weight of these ultimate driving machines.
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Infiniti G35:
Power: 306 HP / 268 ft lb @ 5200 rpm
Curb weight (lbs) 3,497

BMW 335i:
Power: 300 HP SAE / 300 ft lb @ 1400 rpm
Curb weight (lbs) 3,593

Seriously, with 30 more pounds of torque coming in from just off of idle speed - almost 4000 rpm sooner - I'm really not too worried about that whole extra 96 pounds of "tremendous weight" the 335i is dragging around.
 
M5Power
So what if it's much bigger than the BMW? The BMW is not involved in this comparison. The CTS is of SIMILAR SIZE to the vehicles that ARE involved. I guess I'm lucky you didn't read the first post. :rolleyes:
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The other two vehicles are of SIMILAR size to the 3 series. Not the CTS.
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M5Power
+1 to Duke although Duke, his comment was aimed at the weight escalation among 3-series models over the years, to which I agree. Hard to call it the 'ultimate' driving machine when it's got so much crap inside it!!
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Agreed, but what are we going to do? When a Civic is tipping the scales at 2700 lbs, things are getting heavy. Blame it on increasing complexity, increasing demand for luxury features, and largely on increasing safety requirements.

Everything is getting fatter and larger. That's why if I want a serious performance car, I'll buy a nice reasonable daily driver instead, and drop the extra money I save building a dedicated track rat NA Miata or E30.
 
The thing that really amazes me is how cheap you guys in the US get your cars. It's depressing really...
 

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