InMotion Lemans project looking exactly like the X1

[fortbo]

It was said earlier that the original designs looked similar to the X1. Now, their latest designs look almost identical.

 

[fortbo]

Here is another picture

 

[Man of Mister]

I bet PD will want the "Gran Turismo" banner across this car's windshield too!

 

[Stylel_Code]

Pretty strange to see it without the GT logo on it ^^

 

[FoRiZon]

Errrr

Formula E?

 

[ColouredBadger]

This will solve the Vettel (apparently) leaving Red Bull problem Kaz has currently...

 

[GTPorsche]

It would be a bigger problem if Adrian Newey left Red Bull, since he's the one behind the X20__ cars.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Interesting. Although one could argue there are designs from F1 and Indy Car that predate the X1, it still looks a lot like the X1. I wonder though, assuming that's what they modeled it after, why did they choose an older design?


Also didn't they say they were going to run without a rear wing?

 

[fortbo]

Interesting. Although one could argue there are designs from F1 and Indy Car that predate the X1, it still looks a lot like the X1. I wonder though, assuming that's what they modeled it after, why did they choose an older design?


Also didn't they say they were going to run without a rear wing?

They did originally, but they changed that in their newest design.

 

[ColouredBadger]

In my opinion they should make F1 cars like this. It'll help prevent accidents like Jules Bianchi's if there is a closed, supported roof on the car, they'll be more aerodynamic and fuel efficient as well as allowing for more safety in general if a car rolls.

Who's got enough money to bribe Bernie?

 

[TRGTspecialist]

Would be cool to see this project become a reality at Le Mans but I highly doubt it would happen - just couldn't see the ACO awarding the garage 56 entry to a car theoretically faster than the LMP1s that would end up winning the race!

 

[fortbo]

Would be cool to see this project become a reality at Le Mans but I highly doubt it would happen - just couldn't see the ACO awarding the garage 56 entry to a car theoretically faster than the LMP1s that would end up winning the race!

I don't think ACO expects them to finish, so that's why they are letting them run it.

 

[NixxxoN]

In my opinion they should make F1 cars like this. It'll help prevent accidents like Jules Bianchi's if there is a closed, supported roof on the car, they'll be more aerodynamic and fuel efficient as well as allowing for more safety in general if a car rolls.

Who's got enough money to bribe Bernie?

It's easier to put safety devices on the cranes. Closed cockpits would bring other problems too, like heat for the driver.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

In my opinion they should make F1 cars like this. It'll help prevent accidents like Jules Bianchi's if there is a closed, supported roof on the car, they'll be more aerodynamic and fuel efficient as well as allowing for more safety in general if a car rolls.

Who's got enough money to bribe Bernie?

Jules Bianchi suffered from a diffuse axonal injury which was caused by the sudden deceleration of the crash, so a cockpit wouldn't have helped in this incident.

Also Bernie Eccelstone isn't the rule maker (the FIA have been looking into closed cockpits though), so bribing him wouldn't help and I'm not sure he's going to be taking any bribes for a long time.

 

[ColouredBadger]

It's easier to put safety devices on the cranes.

Like a sponge rear bumper to stop it taking someone's head off?... Closed cockpits are always safer. It's why it's mandatory in Le Mans nowadays.

Closed cockpits would bring other problems too, like heat for the driver.

I wonder what they do in every other motorsport that has a roof? An F1 car already has a hole in the front of the car to cool the drivers legs and body. They do the same with every other car in motorsport. It won't be any different with a Formula car.

Example of cooling vents on a closed cockpit LMP.

Jules Bianchi suffered from a diffuse axonal injury which was caused by the sudden deceleration of the crash, so a cockpit wouldn't have helped in this incident.

That sudden deceleration was caused by his head hitting the tractor/crane. A closed cockpit would have took the brunt of the impact away from his head and onto a structure built around him probably turning a life threatening coma into simple whiplash and a 3 week medical break.

Also Bernie Eccelstone isn't the rule maker (the FIA have been looking into closed cockpits though), so bribing him wouldn't help and I'm not sure he's going to be taking any bribes for a long time.

I know, it was a joke about Bernie's less than legitimate ways of running F1. Lol


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A closed cockpit would also help prevent stuff like this happening. Massa got lucky, very lucky. Tell me that having a roof around him wouldn't have stopped him from having his visor ripped off and nearly blinding him?



I apologise if this is against GT Planet post rules, I'm only trying to emphasise my point on safety.

 

[332i]

In my opinion they should make F1 cars like this. It'll help prevent accidents like Jules Bianchi's if there is a closed, supported roof on the car, they'll be more aerodynamic and fuel efficient as well as allowing for more safety in general if a car rolls.

Who's got enough money to bribe Bernie?

It wouldn't prevent them at all. If anything, it would be more dangerous. You would have had to make that canopy resistant enough to hit a tractor directly in the counterweight with enough force to lift the tractor up into the air without breaking. That tractor weighs over 25k pounds. What happens when there is a wreck and the canopies shatter or break up and end up on the track? What if one cracks due to debris? Are you done because you chipped your windshield? Check out how quickly an f1, gp2, gp3, Renault 3.5, etc. driver needs to get out of the car to participate and why. The suits are fire retardant, not fire proof and only effective for 10-15 seconds at best. If somebody gets knocked out in a bad collision (and they do)...and marshals need to get the driver out quickly, suddenly the canopies are going to be horrible ideas. That and something is going hit and break the canopy, spook the driver, deflect it at something else (like bystanders), etc., etc. If someone has one break up while they're going 330+ kmh, there are going to be much bigger issues than a freak accident, in which a driver (jules) was hauling ass through a double yellow, in the rain, in the same spot that another driver JUST AQUAPLANED AND WENT OFF WHILE HIS CAR IS BEING RECOVERED. A very good guy apparently that made a very dumb decision and ended up paying dearly for it.

I'll tell you how they will prevent these things that nearly never haooened - theyre going to start following a rule that they've ignored for over a decade - speed limits through caution zones. At best, word is they are going to out skirts on the recovery vehicles. I really hate it when people bring up this canopy crap and I'm glad that idea has quickly fizzled out in the f1 world after a couple weeks have gone by. Freak accident in an open cockpit car ≠ time canopies. If there was a time to address canopy talk, it would have been six years ago when massa got hit in the face with the spring, whilst going full blast down a front straight. Spring hit head, he got knocked out with his foot pinned to then accelerator and went full bore into the wall at the end of T1. They had to remove him from the car as he was thoroughly unconscious. The helmet saved his life and he still races in f1. And after that happened, they made the visors stronger. He was going over 180mph when the spring hit him. If the car caught fire, they would have had a bad time getting him out of the car.

Kvyat nearly didn't have enough time to get out of his car at hockenheim this year and that was without a canopy. He would have been blazing by the time he stumbled out, if he didn't pass out first.

The canopies will never come to f1. No drivers want them, 99% of the fans don't want them and the FIA knows they're more harmful than helpful in nearly every situation involving wreck. No one gets hit in the head with stuff anymore. They're too well protected. It is extremely rare and takes a freak accident. You don't change a formula over a freak accident. This is why f1 is careful of knee-jerk reactions to these sorts of things now.

 

[ColouredBadger]

It wouldn't prevent them at all. If anything, it would be more dangerous. You would have had to make that canopy resistant enough to hit a tractor directly in the counterweight with enough force to lift the tractor up into the air without breaking. That tractor weighs over 25k pounds. What happens when there is a wreck and the canopies shatter or break up and end up on the track? What if one cracks due to debris? Are you done because you chipped your windshield? Check out how quickly an f1, gp2, gp3, Renault 3.5, etc. driver needs to get out of the car to participate and why. The suits are fire retardant, not fire proof and only effective for 10-15 seconds at best. If somebody gets knocked out in a bad collision (and they do)...and marshals need to get the driver out quickly, suddenly the canopies are going to be horrible ideas. That and something is going hit and break the canopy, spook the driver, deflect it at something else (like bystanders), etc., etc. If someone has one break up while they're going 330+ kmh, there are going to be much bigger issues than a freak accident, in which a driver was hauling ass through a double yellow, in the rain, in the same spot that another driver JUST AQUAPLANED AND WENT OFF WHILE HIS CAR IS BEING RECOVERED. Good guy that made a very dumb decision.

I'll tell you how they will prevent these things that nearly never haooened - theyre going to start following a rule that they've ignored for over a decade - speed limits through caution zones. At best, word is they are going to out skirts on the recovery vehicles. I really hate it when people bring up this canopy crap and I'm glad that idea has quickly fizzled out in the f1 world after a couple weeks have gone by. Freak accident in an open cockpit car ≠ time canopies. If there was a time to address canopy talk, it would have been six years ago when massa got hit in the face with the spring, whilst going full blast down a front straight. Spring hit head, he got knocked out with his foot pinned to then accelerator and went full bore into the wall at the end of T1. They had to remove him from the car as he was thoroughly unconscious. The helmet saved his life and he still races in f1. And after that happened, they made the visors stronger. He was going over 180mph when the spring hit him. If the car caught fire, they would have had a bad time getting him out of the car.

Kvyat nearly didn't have enough time to get out of his car at hockenheim this year and that was without a canopy. He would have been blazing by the time he stumbled out, if he didn't pass out first.

The canopies will never come to f1. No drivers want them, 99% of the fans don't want them and the FIA knows they're more harmful than helpful in nearly every situation involving wreck. No one gets hit in the head with stuff anymore. They're too well protected. It is extremely rare and takes a freak accident. You don't change a formula over a freak accident.

But I repeat my point. What about every other motorsport that isn't a Formula? i.e Le Mans, GT, Touring Cars etc. Are they significantly more dangerous for having roofs and windscreens on? I refer you to Allan McNish's crash at Le Mans. He would probably have died if he wasn't closed in that cockpit in his R18. There was no car left by the time that had finished flipping.

Massa wouldn't have been hit at all if they had some form of protection, and it can be done. Look at the Caparo T1. That is essentially a formula car with a windscreen. That obviously meets safety regulations for use of the everyday public, so it's more than safe enough for racing.

This bit - "They're too well protected. It is extremely rare and takes a freak accident. You don't change a formula over a freak accident" - didn't they change the entire Formula One structure when Senna died at Imola? Where they tethered wheels to cars, changed regulations, limited power down etc to make it safer? What's different now? that Bianchi didn't die so therefore Formula One is fine?

 

[Downhill Dino]

Oh look we have somewhere to discuss this already.

 

[332i]

Like a sponge rear bumper to stop it taking someone's head off?... Closed cockpits are always safer. It's why it's mandatory in Le Mans nowadays.



I wonder what they do in every other motorsport that has a roof? An F1 car already has a hole in the front of the car to cool the drivers legs and body. They do the same with every other car in motorsport. It won't be any different with a Formula car.

Example of cooling vents on a closed cockpit LMP.

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That sudden deceleration was caused by his head hitting the tractor/crane. A closed cockpit would have took the brunt of the impact away from his head and onto a structure built around him probably turning a life threatening coma into simple whiplash and a 3 week medical break.



I know, it was a joke about Bernie's less than legitimate ways of running F1. Lol


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A closed cockpit would also help prevent stuff like this happening. Massa got lucky, very lucky. Tell me that having a roof around him wouldn't have stopped him from having his visor ripped off and nearly blinding him?

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I apologise if this is against GT Planet post rules, I'm only trying to emphasise my point on safety.

Dude they don't make canopies on this planet that can't take a strike like that. You don't understand. Fighter jets don't use canopies stronger enough to take that hit. The canopy would have to be clear....but stronger than the monocoque. That is entirely impossible for a very long time.

That thing would have shattered, there'd be pieces of it everywhere (probably a lot landing all over him) and his head would STILL have hit the counterweight.

The brain injury is from the acute blow. The accelerometer in his ear piece recorded 91G impact. You're talking like the canopy would have stayed intact or at best done anything at all, when there is nothing that exists which could hold up at the moment.

His life isn't being threatened by a coma. I have been in a coma. I have a TBI, which is what Jules has to a greater extent. DAIs are a sort of a TBI. His life is being threatened by the fact that his brain can't communicate with his organs...like his lungs and brain.

The sudden decel was not just because of his head. The front of the car hit it first. It went under the counterweight like a wedge. The top of his head was just high enough to hit the weight.

Don't talk about things you're not sure of as if you are.

 

[ColouredBadger]

Oh look we have somewhere to discuss this already.

I didn't realise. I did get a little carried away. Lol.. My apologies.

Dude they don't make canopies on this planet that can't take a strike like that. You don't understand. Fighter jets don't use canopies stronger enough to take that hit. The canopy would have to be clear....but stronger than the monocoque. That is entirely impossible for a very long time.

That thing would have shattered, there'd be pieces of it everywhere (probably a lot landing all over him) and his head would STILL have hit the counterweight.

The brain injury is from the acute blow. The accelerometer in his ear piece recorded 91G impact. You're talking like the canopy would have stayed intact or at best done anything at all, when there is nothing that exists which could hold up at the moment.

His life isn't being threatened by a coma. I have been in a coma. I have a TBI, which is what Jules has to a greater extent. DAIs are a sort of a TBI. His life is being threatened by the fact that his brain can't communicate with his organs...like his lungs and brain.

The sudden decel was not just because of his head. The front of the car hit it first. It went under the counterweight like a wedge. The top of his head was just high enough to hit the weight.

Don't talk about things you're not sure of as if you are.

Nah, I do tend to avoid horrific head injuries. I like being able to use rational thought in every day life.

Check out the video in the linked thread. You'll see what I mean about the screen idea. Fixed @332i

 

[332i]

But I repeat my point. What about every other motorsport that isn't a Formula? i.e Le Mans, GT, Touring Cars etc. Are they significantly more dangerous for having roofs and windscreens on? I refer you to Allan McNish's crash at Le Mans. He would probably have died if he wasn't closed in that cockpit in his R18. There was no car left by the time that had finished flipping.

Massa wouldn't have been hit at all if they had some form of protection, and it can be done. Look at the Caparo T1. That is essentially a formula car with a windscreen. That obviously meets safety regulations for use of the everyday public, so it's more than safe enough for racing.

This bit - "They're too well protected. It is extremely rare and takes a freak accident. You don't change a formula over a freak accident" - didn't they change the entire Formula One structure when Senna died at Imola? Where they tethered wheels to cars, changed regulations, limited power down etc to make it safer? What's different now? that Bianchi didn't die so therefore Formula One is fine?

How can you possibly think a canopoy exists that would hold up to that spring at that speed??? A was a kg spring and he was going over 180mph. At best, it would have merely slowed then spring down.

And then consider all the problems that would arise, to deaden one spring impact.

F1 is very safe. When was the last time someone was killed in LMS? Any sort of GT racing? Indycar? NASCAR? Ok...now tell me when was the last time an f1 driver was killed. It should be an easy one.

Canopy = more harm than good. It wouldn't have saved bianchi, it would have possibly helped massa and it would have cause a lot of problems in between. Idk how you can argue with that.

 

[ColouredBadger]

How can you possibly think a canopoy exists that would hold up to that spring at that speed??? A was a kg spring and he was going over 180mph. At best, it would have merely slowed then spring down.

And then consider all the problems that would arise, to deaden one spring impact.

F1 is very safe. When was the last time someone was killed in LMS? Any sort of GT racing? Indycar? NASCAR? Ok...now tell me when was the last time an f1 driver was killed. It should be an easy one.

Canopy = more harm than good. It wouldn't have saved bianchi, it would have possibly helped massa and it would have cause a lot of problems in between. Idk how you can argue with that.

Check out the video in the thread link provided by Downhill Dino. That is exactly what I'm on about.

 

[332i]

Check out the video in the link provided by Downhill Dino. That is exactly what I'm on about.

You don't understand physics. They haven't implemented that after thorough testing, because it can't stop small objects at high rates of speed, because the force is concentrated on a smaller surface area. You have to keep more than a wheel out (which is not a problem in formula one, because they use proper tethering).

Nah, I do tend to avoid horrific head injuries. I like being able to use rational thought in every day life. ... Check out the video in the linked thread. You'll see what I mean.

What exactly you are you saying here? Before the edit, which suggested the video. You poking fun at head injuries or treating them as some sort laughing matter...because it reads as such? There are no whimsical TBI/DAI jokes.

 

[ColouredBadger]

I understand physics, you don't seem to understand that every other motorsport in the world everywhere (that isn't formula) has a windscreen and a closed cockpit that works very well.


the "..." was supposed to separate points. It was meant to be an addition to the windscreen idea. . I like the nipicking though, I appreciate people trying to get one up on me by picking flaws in grammar.


But this is all off topic now and we've been linked elsewhere to continue the discussion, alternatively you could PM me if you must continue.

 

[332i]

Check out the video in the link provided by Downhill Dino. That is exactly what I'm on about.

I understand physics, you don't seem to understand that every other motorsport in the world everywhere (that isn't formula) has a windscreen and a closed cockpit that works very well.


the "..." was supposed to separate points. It was meant to be an addition to the windscreen idea. . I like the nipicking though, I appreciate people trying to get one up on me by picking flaws in grammar.

And I will ask you again, when was the last time there was a serious injury in f1, let alone a death? LMS, indycar, NASCAR, touring cars...f1has the best track record on injury and death. The entire cars are safer and the drivers head is elevated over the crash structure by a few inches lol wuttt

I have no idea what you're referencing with the quotes and nitpick talk, but I am glad that there are very few people around f1 who share your jaded judgement and understanding of physics.

If been watching f1 for over two decades and can tell you for certain that they'll never find their place in it.

 

[Man of Mister]

Can we keep it clean guys?

I have a question... The wheel covers, how do they plan on changing the tyres during a pitstop? Surely the "Gran Turismo Magic" (where the pit crew magically changes the tyres through the wheel cover) wouldn't work, right?

 

[332i]

But I repeat my point. What about every other motorsport that isn't a Formula? i.e Le Mans, GT, Touring Cars etc. Are they significantly more dangerous for having roofs and windscreens on? I refer you to Allan McNish's crash at Le Mans. He would probably have died if he wasn't closed in that cockpit in his R18. There was no car left by the time that had finished flipping.

Massa wouldn't have been hit at all if they had some form of protection, and it can be done. Look at the Caparo T1. That is essentially a formula car with a windscreen. That obviously meets safety regulations for use of the everyday public, so it's more than safe enough for racing.

This bit - "They're too well protected. It is extremely rare and takes a freak accident. You don't change a formula over a freak accident" - didn't they change the entire Formula One structure when Senna died at Imola? Where they tethered wheels to cars, changed regulations, limited power down etc to make it safer? What's different now? that Bianchi didn't die so therefore Formula One is fine?

When senna died? Are you for real? Two people got killed that weekend. In one weekend. Changes were needed. That is the stuoidest example/parallel I can think of. We have one head injury this season...QUICK DESIGN THE CANOPIES CHANGE THE CARS AHHHH. Stupid.

 

[ColouredBadger]

And I will ask you again, when was the last time there was a serious injury in f1, let alone a death? LMS, indycar, NASCAR, touring cars...f1has the best track record on injury and death. The entire cars are safer and the drivers head is elevated over the crash structure by a few inches lol wuttt

I have no idea what you're referencing with the quotes and nitpick talk, but I am glad that there are very few people around f1 who share your jaded judgement and understanding of physics.

If been watching f1 for over two decades and can tell you firncertain that they'll never find their place in it.

The reason why there isn't a serious injury in Formula One is because they don't actually race. It's a dull, boring and a tedious motorsport that is ran by money and not the aim of making good motorsport. It's essentially the Premier League of football. It's not football, it's professional diving, it's the same with F1. It's not racing, it's dull lapping interrupted by a pitstop. That is why there are very few accidents, they're never actually racing each other to crash. try watching a real motorsport like the BTCC, WTCC or MotoGP where racing actually happens.

When senna died? Are you for real? Two people got killed that weekend. Changes were needed. That is the stuoidest example/parallel I can think of.

Again emphasising my point. Two people got fatally injured, they needed change. One person gets seriously injured and no one cares. The new F1 nose shape is stupid, they flip cars over because the noses are too low and to combat this they're making them even lower next year to make an even more efficient ramp 👍 . Formula One is driven by money, nothing more, and it will take for someone to die doing it for the next major change, and in my opinion that is beyond stupid.

 

[332i]

I like being able to use rational thought in every day life.

@332i

This is still pissing me off. This is your response after I've corrected you on dying from a coma and mentioning I have a TBI. People with TBIs can still have rational thought and it is not a laughing matter. It changed my life, it changed my family's life and it goes the same for everyone else who ends up with a TBI. You are never the same again.

That is one of the trashiest, lowest back handers directed at a member that I've ever seen. You are a piece of trash.

 

[332i]

Hahaha

The reason why there isn't a serious injury in Formula One is because they don't actually race. It's a dull, boring and a tedious motorsport that is ran by money and not the aim of making good motorsport. It's essentially the Premier League of football. It's not football, it's professional diving, it's the same with F1. It's not racing, it's dull lapping interrupted by a pitstop. That is why there are very few accidents, they're never actually racing each other to crash. try watching a real motorsport like the BTCC, WTCC or MotoGP where racing actually happens.



Again emphasising my point. Two people got fatally injured, they needed change. One person gets seriously injured and no one cares. The new F1 nose shape is stupid, they flip cars over because the noses are too low and to combat this they're making them even lower next year to make an even more efficient ramp 👍 . Formula One is driven by money, nothing more, and it will take for someone to die doing it for the next major change, and in my opinion that is beyond stupid.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ok, dude. You're a riot lol