Inside sim racing announces rumor that upgraded premiums will cost money.

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I don't see this as a problem at all...I'd much rather have them at least provide us a paid option for additional content, than no additional content at all. It's pretty simple, if I don't like the cars for the price, I won't buy them..if I do, then I will.
 
Wow, I can't believe some of the comments here, people seriously need to go take a crack at modelling and texturing a whole premium car themselves before they say that they should be given away for free.

The bottom line is vote with your wallet though. But I think some sort of subscription would be a neat idea.. I think they should have done it for GT5:P, gradually release new content to keep the game fresh.

Maybe even at the end of GT5's life give subscribers a big discount on GT6 and their PS4.

Or they could just do like iRacing and charge a subscription plus extra for each car and track. For the amount of content GT5 offers, it's a steal.
 
Pay or not. Your choice.

I won't be paying anything more for premiums as I simply don't think the premiums are all that.

I WILL pay for more tracks, especially the ones they didn't include that *I believe* should have been included.
 
GT5 is not worth $60. There is very little new content, a lot was taken from GT4 or GT5 Prologue or whatever it was called. It's a good game but to charge $60 and then more is ridiculous considering all the shortcomings this game has.

Im not saying all DLCs should be free, but at least finish this game and then start charging.
 
I think people shouldn't reason that PD should charge for DLC for they need to make a living. They are a business they do plan on making money, but they don't need to charge for DLC, if you think of free DLC as them advertising their software and keeping it fresh in our minds and our interests and addictions fulfilled, then it's actually us having the free DLC that are doing PD a favour by downloading it. Companies spend millions on advertising their products, a download service to masses of eager customers is a very good deal as far as PD are concerned. They are feeding us promotional material until the next full version of GT6.
 
andmen
GT5 is not worth $60. There is very little new content, a lot was taken from GT4 or GT5 Prologue or whatever it was called. It's a good game but to charge $60 and then more is ridiculous considering all the shortcomings this game has.

Im not saying all DLCs should be free, but at least finish this game and then start charging.
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I couldn't of said it better myself. But really, I don't think any video game is worth $60.
 
I'm happy to pay if theres a good international mix of new premiums if its 80% Japanese cars well F^&K that lol. To the people not willing to pay simple answer then don't.
 
Well, if you think about it, why would DLC cost anything in the first place? There is a way around it. Gift it. (Unless they put a restriction on duping and gifting $5 DLC car packs.)
 
TopGearJB007
I don't care if DLC is free or not. It's going to cost no more than 5 bucks. Quit complaining.
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So what you are saying is you know this for a fact and if somehow you are wrong would you put your money where your mouth is and pay whatever over $5 the DLC happens to be?

I had a buddy who assured me map packs would never cost more than $5 for Modern Warfare and he at least had the guts to put up or shutup... MW2 map packs cost him $20 extra because of his overconfidence.
 
Devedander
To everyone that says "Why should they work for free" if you paid painters to paint a house but they only did 1/5 of it and the other 4/5 was just the old paint would you say asking them to paint the rest was asking them to work for free?

I don't think anyones asking PD to work for free, they are saying "hey that work we ALREADY paid for? Do it and don't charge me for twice!".

For those who say you got what you paid for already?

Ummm... no... outside of premium cars I didn't get online matchmaking or official events, I didn't get Bspec against other Bspec drivers online, I still can't invite people to a lobby online directly - those are all things listed right on the box or manual.

Then there are the things I coudln't know becuase PD heald back that info like what exactly standard cars were and what the quality was and if it was a range or a specific value, how many events and how deep they would be, what tuning options would be (and if they would be different from standards to premium) etc etc.

No one got what they paid for becaue 1: stuff is STILL missing 2: you couldn't know what was in the box so you couldn't know what you were paying for... you can't get what you paid for if you didn't know in the first place.

We put trust in PD to deliver all the thing they hyped and were reasonable to expect after so long working on the game. To say you already got what you paid for is completely bogus.
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The only things PD owe GT5 owners are the things advertised that were left out, that's all. These patches when they do finally come will be free. Yes, they should have been there from the start but I'm sure PD didn't leave them out deliberately to piss people off, there will be a valid reason and we should have got an explanation but we didn't and probably won't ever.

How much do you really know about any game before you buy it, thanks to information that comes directly from the game developer or publisher?

How many developers come out and tell you all the faults in their game or it's shortcomings graphics-wise before you buy it?

How many developers and publishers talk their game up before it's release knowing that it probably won't live up to the hype?

I've bought a lot of games over the years and I've been disappointed with quite a few of them (Call of Duty Black Ops, 2 weeks before GT5 to name one) but I've never before heard and read people saying that because a game they bought didn't live up to their expectations, the developer and publisher owe it to them to make it better. There's been many a sub-standard game released and had absolutely no updates or patches to improve it and GT5 doesn't even fall into the sub-standard category.
 
this generation is spoiled with the internet, when I started gaming all you had to go by was the pictures on the back of the box lol
 
alexleighton
Wow, I can't believe some of the comments here, people seriously need to go take a crack at modelling and texturing a whole premium car themselves before they say that they should be given away for free.

The bottom line is vote with your wallet though. But I think some sort of subscription would be a neat idea.. I think they should have done it for GT5:P, gradually release new content to keep the game fresh.

Maybe even at the end of GT5's life give subscribers a big discount on GT6 and their PS4.

Or they could just do like iRacing and charge a subscription plus extra for each car and track. For the amount of content GT5 offers, it's a steal.
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:Facepalm: Comeon man, I love GT5 as much as the next guy, but a subscription model for a console racing game? :yuck:

I still have no idea how PD put 5+ years into this game and it couldn't even top Forza (for me) which has a 2 year development cycle and is on the inferior system. I would only pay for NEW premium models, I'm not paying for something that should have been done in the first place.
 
Devedander
So what you are saying is you know this for a fact and if somehow you are wrong would you put your money where your mouth is and pay whatever over $5 the DLC happens to be?

I had a buddy who assured me map packs would never cost more than $5 for Modern Warfare and he at least had the guts to put up or shutup... MW2 map packs cost him $20 extra because of his overconfidence.
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Ok, maybe I spoke too soon. It really depends on what and how many cars are in the pack. For example, if they release a BMW car pack with 20 good BMWs for $9.99, then yes, I will most likely buy it because A.) I love GT5, B.) I love BMWs, and C.) I can probably find an extra $5 dollar bill lying around.

If it is a 20- car Nissan Skyline package for $4.99, then no, I will not buy it because I don't like Skylines.

For me it depends on the cars and the amount of said cars, and if the price is not ridiculously unreasonable. I also agree that "game fixes" such as standard to premium upgrades should be free because they should have been in the game from the get go.
 
p-coletray
Rockband being PD, sony as the label, individual employees are like instruments that are abused, misused, and either make it with the band or not. No corporation divides up the spoils, they watch market trends and keep wages dirt cheap, which is why I'm union.

Any other questions?
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Nope. You've made it perfectly clear that you don't know what you're talking about.

Back on the DLC thing, I'm fine with paying for new stuff (which would include new cars, premium upgrades to some cars, new tracks, new events, etc.), but I would be very annoyed if I was forced to pay for bugfixes. I doubt things will go that way, because honestly that's a PR nightmare. It could be reasonable to consider "missing features" as bugfixes; if it was listed on the box as a feature of the game (such as online b-spec), then I'd view it not being present as a bug.
 
I think we have every right to expect a new GT to be an extension, an IMPROVEMENT of the previous GT game. To be honest, PD are extremely lucky that they CAN patch GT5 into a game that does at the very least equal GT4.

Because, in the bad old days (or good old days, depending on whether the cup is half full or empty), if you released a game that was such a monumental disappointment compared to it's predecessor, that was IT....

GAME OVER.

But be assured. If PD don't patch GT5 to equal GT4, it still will be. I will certainly not be coming back to be raped a second time. I'm going to want flowers and dinner at a MINIMUM..!

I don't want free Premium's (don't race cockpit view anyway), I don't want free tracks. I want GT4, on a PS3... 200 more events. An Event Generator. Downgradeable upgrades. Fast forward B-Spec. A RACING game, not a stamp collecting game.

Am I expecting too much?
 
I don't know how anybody can say GT5 is not worth 60 dollars (40 pounds, for me).

In England, £40 won't even get me and my girlfriend a decent mean. Let's say i did get a decent meal for £40. We consume that meal in an hour, two tops.

GT5 is giving me hundreds of hours of entertainment.

Another analogy:

For me and the girlfriend to go to the cinema, we'll pay roughly £20 for tickets and popcorn. So two trips to the cinema for the same price as GT5, which is giving me hundreds of hours of entertainment.

I cannot understand the logic of some fools on this board.
 
danjama
I don't know how anybody can say GT5 is not worth 60 dollars (40 pounds, for me).

In England, £40 won't even get me and my girlfriend a decent mean. Let's say i did get a decent meal for £40. We consume that meal in an hour, two tops.

GT5 is giving me hundreds of hours of entertainment.

Another analogy:

For me and the girlfriend to go to the cinema, we'll pay roughly £20 for tickets and popcorn. So two trips to the cinema for the same price as GT5, which is giving me hundreds of hours of entertainment.

I cannot understand the logic of some fools on this board.
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Thank you, my thoughts exactly.
If GT5 is really not worth the price then sell it and forget it. If you bought it and play it then it was worth the price. :)

$5 $10 $15 add on packs? You can barely get a cheeseburger for $5 (McDonald's doesn't count as food to me) A movie on DVD that came out a year or two ago costs $15, that's only two hours long.
The price of stuff in general has been going up for a while $10 is barely anything these days.

So yeah, if the game wasn't worth it for you, why are you here? If it's worth it then you'll enjoy it like I am. If not, oh well, go play one of the other $60 racing simulators with a few hundred expertly modeled cars.

Just be happy you can even get something added on anyway. Take Midnight Club 3 as an example. If you wanted the added on content (which was Tokyo from MC2 by the way and some cars) then you had to buy the game again. I think it was lowered to $30 at that point but still.
 
Destinkeys
I think we have every right to expect a new GT to be an extension, an IMPROVEMENT of the previous GT game. To be honest, PD are extremely lucky that they CAN patch GT5 into a game that does at the very least equal GT4.

Because, in the bad old days (or good old days, depending on whether the cup is half full or empty), if you released a game that was such a monumental disappointment compared to it's predecessor, that was IT....

GAME OVER.

But be assured. If PD don't patch GT5 to equal GT4, it still will be. I will certainly not be coming back to be raped a second time. I'm going to want flowers and dinner at a MINIMUM..!

I don't want free Premium's (don't race cockpit view anyway), I don't want free tracks. I want GT4, on a PS3... 200 more events. An Event Generator. Downgradeable upgrades. Fast forward B-Spec. A RACING game, not a stamp collecting game.

Am I expecting too much?
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I think the problem lies with PD's own perception of Gran Turismo, they see it as a driving game rather than a racing game. This probably accounts for the fact that it seems very little time is spent on making events and races and why the AI has always been bog standard.

Is it too much to ask? It probably is from a developer who doesn't seem to be interested in making an out and out racing game. Just look at the seasonal events, they're not races, they're time trials with traffic on the road, there's no imagination at all been put into them.
 
danjama
I don't know how anybody can say GT5 is not worth 60 dollars (40 pounds, for me).

In England, £40 won't even get me and my girlfriend a decent mean. Let's say i did get a decent meal for £40. We consume that meal in an hour, two tops.

GT5 is giving me hundreds of hours of entertainment.

Another analogy:

For me and the girlfriend to go to the cinema, we'll pay roughly £20 for tickets and popcorn. So two trips to the cinema for the same price as GT5, which is giving me hundreds of hours of entertainment.

I cannot understand the logic of some fools on this board.
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If you use that logic almost any game on the PS3 is good value. A better comparison is similar priced games and this is what people are basing their value assessment on. FWIW I have seen less than 1 movie at the cinema's every two years for the last 10 years because I do not consider the Cinema's good value.

I do however have a large DVD collection that is capable of giving me the same repeatable entertainment a game gives and I have not paid more than 13% of the price of GT5 for a DVD.
 
danjama
I don't know how anybody can say GT5 is not worth 60 dollars (40 pounds, for me).

In England, £40 won't even get me and my girlfriend a decent mean. Let's say i did get a decent meal for £40. We consume that meal in an hour, two tops.

GT5 is giving me hundreds of hours of entertainment.

Another analogy:

For me and the girlfriend to go to the cinema, we'll pay roughly £20 for tickets and popcorn. So two trips to the cinema for the same price as GT5, which is giving me hundreds of hours of entertainment.

I cannot understand the logic of some fools on this board.
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The prices you are giving only represent your specific location and choice. I would pay £10 for 2 cinema tickets in the UK and would not buy popcorn, or i would take it with me in a bag from the supermarket. A decent meal for 2 you can easily get for under £40, i would say £10 to £12 for 2 if you look around.
But having said that i get your point about the time of enjoyment. But i think the comparison is from your point of view not from the real fairness of the price when you factor in what it costs the maker to produce, even a £100 meal is fairer than a £40 game. That meal was just made for you in the time it took to prepare and cook and serve, the £40 game took just a few seconds of individual disc time. Also if you divide the number of hours over 5 years it took to make GT5 with the amount of money raised from total copies sold the £/hour will be crazily high compared to the £/hour from a £100 meal.
I'm not sure what view I hold, I just wanted to argue a bit. :sly:
 
I don't care if they charge for "Standard to Premium" cars. As long as they don't charge more than 2 bucks a car. The more money PD has, the better their games will be in the future. : )

I hope they can get a big a$$ scanner to scan all cars and make them perfect. XD

I don't want them to go with financial problems.
 
ChicoMaloXD
I don't care if they charge for "Standard to Premium" cars. As long as they don't charge more than 2 bucks a car. The more money PD has, the better their games will be in the future. : )

I hope they can get a big a$$ scanner to scan all cars and make them perfect. XD

I don't want them to go with financial problems.
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Sony fund PD and the GT series, money isn't a problem.
 
7HO
If you use that logic almost any game on the PS3 is good value. A better comparison is similar priced games and this is what people are basing their value assessment on. FWIW I have seen less than 1 movie at the cinema's every two years for the last 10 years because I do not consider the Cinema's good value.

I do however have a large DVD collection that is capable of giving me the same repeatable entertainment a game gives and I have not paid more than 13% of the price of GT5 for a DVD.
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That analogy doesn't quite work either. There's no way you watch a two-hour movie on DVD hundreds of times, in a lifetime, nevermind in the same time-frame that a game like GT5 lasts. Also, a new-release dvd costs 1/3 of a game. So i'd say a game is still much better value than a movie on DVD (and that's coming from a HUGE film buff).

Even if you buy your DVD's while they're cheap (on sale), you still will only watch that film a maximum 5 times a year, which is still only 10 hours of entertainment. You can play ten hours of GT5 in 2 days (1 for some unfortunate people), without running out of things to do.
 
blaaah
The prices you are giving only represent your specific location and choice. I would pay £10 for 2 cinema tickets in the UK and would not buy popcorn, or i would take it with me in a bag from the supermarket. A decent meal for 2 you can easily get for under £40, i would say £10 to £12 for 2 if you look around.
But having said that i get your point about the time of enjoyment. But i think the comparison is from your point of view not from the real fairness of the price when you factor in what it costs the maker to produce, even a £100 meal is fairer than a £40 game. That meal was just made for you in the time it took to prepare and cook and serve, the £40 game took just a few seconds of individual disc time. Also if you divide the number of hours over 5 years it took to make GT5 with the amount of money raised from total copies sold the £/hour will be crazily high compared to the £/hour from a £100 meal.
I'm not sure what view I hold, I just wanted to argue a bit. :sly:
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:dopey:

See, technically, PD spent thousands of thousands of hours preparing our "dish", surely that justifies the price even more? The price is so unbelievably fair, that for others to think otherwise, is just frustrating!

And where can you eat a decent meal for two for £12 in London? Nowhere as far as i know, and i've lived here my whole life.

You can go to the cinema for £5 each, but then how about travel to the cinama? How about if you get thirsty or hungry while you're out?

Do you see what i'm saying? Money we spend daily accumalates, and before you know it, you've spent £40 on small, worthless things. GT5 you spend £40 on it, and it lasts for as long as you want it.

Now i've made my point, i'm off to bed.
 
Personally, the photo mode alone is worth about $20. I've spent a lot of time taking the pictures, and have saved them as background pics on my computers. The quality of the Premium cars in photo mode is breathtaking. My wife thought that I'd taken shots of my own car.
 
Destinkeys
I think we have every right to expect a new GT to be an extension, an IMPROVEMENT of the previous GT game. To be honest, PD are extremely lucky that they CAN patch GT5 into a game that does at the very least equal GT4.

Because, in the bad old days (or good old days, depending on whether the cup is half full or empty), if you released a game that was such a monumental disappointment compared to it's predecessor, that was IT....

GAME OVER.

But be assured. If PD don't patch GT5 to equal GT4, it still will be. I will certainly not be coming back to be raped a second time. I'm going to want flowers and dinner at a MINIMUM..!

I don't want free Premium's (don't race cockpit view anyway), I don't want free tracks. I want GT4, on a PS3... 200 more events. An Event Generator. Downgradeable upgrades. Fast forward B-Spec. A RACING game, not a stamp collecting game.

Am I expecting too much?
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If GT5 is worth $60, then all the other money I've spent on Sim Racing was REALLLLY worth it.
 
GT5 is worth every single cent. I too have no problem paying for DLC. I consider the game finished - yes, there are a few things that need patching, but hey, whatever. I've bought over 130 REALLY stunning cars so far and driven some 12,000 miles. This point about enjoyment time versus what you paid for the game is spot on. And now we have seasonal events! These are awesome.
 
Depending on cost (funds at the moment are seriously limited) I would probably not pay for a Premium Upgrade DLC. I use the Bumper Cam so it is a matter of (pretty much) complete indiffernce to me if the car is a Premium or a Standard.

I suspect that the game would need something of a major rewrite to cater for Premium and Standard versions of the same car. There would need to be two versions of the Premium Dealership unless the new Premiums appeared in the UCD in which case there would need to be two versions of that. Online would be the difficult part in that the actual car would need to be seen otherwise people might be inclined to exploit a "workaround" (which would be detrimental to the online community).

Really the simplest solution (and cheapest from the point of view of Man Hours from PD) would be to force everyone to upgrade in the shape of a new Update version.
 

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