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[ITCC_Andrew]

It still sounded funny when you said it..

Yeah, because you misunderstood... My bad, I was angry. I don't deal well with people insulting me, saying that I lack talent, because a car doesn't match my driving style, at all.

 

[Mac K]

Really? I didn't notice.. . Let's stop spamming now..

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

I meant I was on the outside. And, I got two people mixed up. Sorry. It wasn't your family member. It was someone else, I don't think they're on GTP. My mistake. I had to re-see the replay.

The guy didn't brake until after I was too far off-of-the-line, because he was partially alongside, but, not entirely... If I had braked, at all, I'd have been clipped, spinning in front of all of the traffic. So, I tried to control the outside line, and spun. Was a dive-bomb, yes, but, wasn't your family member.

The person on the inside of the turn dictates when and where you can turn in. Racing strategy would recommend making as hard as possible for you to do your job..

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

The person on the inside of the turn dictates when and where you can turn in. Racing strategy would recommend making as hard as possible for you to do your job..

But pushing me too far wide is unfair. He didn't have overlap, he just filled my rear-view with Solstice. Brown, ugly, Solstice.

 

[Wilbur]

I hope someone got video of all this because it sounds pretty funny to say the least. The road side must be alot less of that but most oval races have some doing similar crap or talking way too much about who knows what. Most NASCAR folks don't think their wrong on oval side I've come to find out or understand that it was racing deal considering how close most of us run in pack where a mistake will make big problems.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Not if you're willing to go off-track to avoid causing a huge wreck; that's yet another reason why Oval racing is so much worse for SR, etc.

 

[Mac K]

I hope someone got video of all this because it sounds pretty funny to say the least. The road side must be alot less of that but most oval races have some doing similar crap or talking way too much about who knows what. Most NASCAR folks don't think their wrong on oval side I've come to find out or understand that it was racing deal considering how close most of us run in pack where a mistake will make big problems.

Honestly there isn't much to see..

 

[Hydro]

Honestly there isn't much to see..

Come on now,... opening the race with 17 laps under caution is always exciting

As much as it was a total trainwreck, I'd never raced an oval outside of rookie / D class Street Stock so it was cool to see how the yellows / pace car / and ordering worked.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Come on now,... opening the race with 17 laps under caution is always exciting

As much as it was a total trainwreck, I'd never raced an oval outside of rookie / D class Street Stock so it was cool to see how the yellows / pace car / and ordering worked.

Not to mention Mac K's rolling starts.


It's amazing, though. I really do well at standing starts, but find them entirely boring. I'm always the guy with the best reaction time in the Jetta standing starts (by passing Div. 1-3 guys on the front straight at Road America.)

I usually gain 2-4 positions before the first turn. I don't understand why everyone else has such problems.

 

[Roush_fan_99]

Honestly there isn't much to see..

short track ovals are one of those things that are fun to race and fairly interesting to watch, anything bigger than a 5/8 mile oval starts to become too spread out and boring to watch, granted that the largest oval that I've been on was 3/8 but I've watched 5/8 oval Late Model and street stock races from the pits (Evergreen Speedway) and those aren't boring until about half way through and then it starts to pick up in the last 5 laps.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

short track ovals are one of those things that are fun to race and fairly interesting to watch, anything bigger than a 5/8 mile oval starts to become too spread out and boring to watch, granted that the largest oval that I've been on was 3/8 but I've watched 5/8 oval Late Model and street stock races from the pits (Evergreen Speedway) and those aren't boring until about half way through and then it starts to pick up in the last 5 laps.

Daytona restrictor plate races are spread out? Could've fooled me.


I really only enjoy the last two laps of Martinsville and Bristol. That's the only oval racing I ever watch. So, maybe you do have a point.

 

[plate88]

Interesting point. How much of the safe, consistent driving for which many are praising the MP4 (It's amazing to complete lap one almost every race without any wrecks), is due to the car itself and how much is due to the lastet NTM refinements. If the latter is the case, if that is how every car should feel in an accurate sim, will even cars like the V8 end up being that safe with NTM5? (Would iRacing staff reconsider a stricter SR in the event?).

I guess only time will tell. Right now its hard to say if its the NTM or just the McLaren itself. The McLaren within itself is a very advanced GT car. I believe that is part of the reason its easier to handle. When you start pushing the car and your own limits though, it becomes a handful.

We'll have to wait and see what future iterations of the NTM bring us on the other cars in the service

 

[superbike81]

Are the low speed issues fixed in the Mclaren? The enthusiastic comments it has received suggest they are at least improved. As for the tire degradation and cold tire behavior, they are part of the vulcanization package that has been in the works for a while but held from release. Tony Gardner said in the December interview that it will be released only after the couple of handling issues are fixed.



How do you compare nkPro with the Mclaren in iRacing? Comments in other forums suggest that it is better than the FVA's Challenge 458 (powered by nkPro):

The low speed issues are not fixed with the McLaren although it does feel like it has been improved somewhat.

The way Tony was talking about tire vulcanization originally made it sound like we were going to have seen something by now. Still patiently waiting for that.

The NKP and FVA tire model still allow the car to feel more connected to the road than iRacing. It also helps that NKP and FVA have significantly better FFB.

Since they didn't claim any specific improvements to the tire model with the McLaren, I feel that most of the praise the McLaren is getting is due to it simply being an outstanding car to begin with. We are still seeing all of the same old issues, just at different points.

I'm interested to see how iRacing's tire model will handle the AWD high power RUF RT12.

 

[Imari]

The McLaren is mostly just a good car. It has the same NTM issues that everything else has, it's just a high downforce, medium powered, well balanced car.

Compare it to something like the V8 supercar. The V8 has 600 horses through a spool diff and a live axle. It's also not light. It's never going to be easy to drive, even if everything was simulated to perfection. And it's the same with a lot of the cars. Not that the simulation doesn't have it's issues, but I think it's easy to blame the sim and forget just how much the design of the car plays into it.

 

[superbike81]

My current "rage" is directed towards grass and runoffs in iRacing, and really sim titles in general. They rarely if ever act correctly and I think that needs to be fixed. Watch videos when real racing cars run into gravel traps or sand runoff areas or grass. The car digs in and struggles to get out at all. All we get in iRacing is surfaces that feel like wet leaves instead of dry dirt/grass/gravel.

I think fixing this would go a long way to improve driving as well because people would be forced to try harder not to run off track.

I hope they fix it soon, but somehow I doubt they will.

 

[BRP17]

My current "rage" is directed towards grass and runoffs in iRacing, and really sim titles in general. They rarely if ever act correctly and I think that needs to be fixed. Watch videos when real racing cars run into gravel traps or sand runoff areas or grass. The car digs in and struggles to get out at all. All we get in iRacing is surfaces that feel like wet leaves instead of dry dirt/grass/gravel.

I think fixing this would go a long way to improve driving as well because people would be forced to try harder not to run off track.

I hope they fix it soon, but somehow I doubt they will.

It would also improve the chances of actually stopping and not hitting a wall.

 

[Mac K]

Come on now,... opening the race with 17 laps under caution is always exciting

As much as it was a total trainwreck, I'd never raced an oval outside of rookie / D class Street Stock so it was cool to see how the yellows / pace car / and ordering worked.

I think we're talking about the Sonoma race?

Not to mention Mac K's rolling starts.

It's amazing, though. I really do well at standing starts, but find them entirely boring. I'm always the guy with the best reaction time in the Jetta standing starts (by passing Div. 1-3 guys on the front straight at Road America.)

I usually gain 2-4 positions before the first turn. I don't understand why everyone else has such problems.

Gosh, you done complaining yet?

 

[polarbear345]

Gosh, you done complaining yet?

I can't tell if its complaining or bragging... It's a odd mix....

 

[Kevin01SH]

I can't tell if its complaining or bragging... It's a odd mix....

Thats what you get with Mel though. And the whole thing about insulting his talent as a driver, you cant really claim you're talented if you only drive one car and dont even qualify for the top split for that series. There are some talented drivers on here, some of which can drive multiple cars on a high level. Thats real talent right there, in the sim world at least. No two cars require the same "driving style" but thats where setup comes in, and tons of practice.

 

[Jav]

The McLaren is mostly just a good car. It has the same NTM issues that everything else has, it's just a high downforce, medium powered, well balanced car.

The car does have the latest iteration of the NTM combined with a revised steering model, wich is supposedly the key to its dynamic behavior. A list of cars that hasn't been revealed yet is getting those revisions on the next build. Personally I hope the Ford GT is on that list, that way we will see how much of it is McLaren and how much is iRacings work.

 

[Hydro]

I think we're talking about the Sonoma race?

No, I was referring to the Solstice race at Charlotte. I think there were a few non-caution laps somewhere in the first 17 laps or so, but I don't remember them very well.
I forgot to mention, during Quali I actually took the left that would normally be used for the road course It just felt right

 

[superbike81]

Zandvoort is quickly becoming one of my favorite tracks, especially with how smooth and controllable the McLaren is. I'm not particularly fast (mid 1:39's in race trim) but I'm enjoying it.

Can't wait for Interlagos, Bathurst, and Montreal.

 

[runfast1]

Gt Challenge? when does the race & Qualify sessions start after changed to new track or week?

 

[superbike81]

GT Challenge only races Friday Saturday Sunday.

 

[runfast1]

GT Challenge only races Friday Saturday Sunday.

ok thanks

 

[Mac K]

Is there a way to go back and listen to mic chatter in a saved replay?

 

[Nastradamus87]

Zandvoort is quickly becoming one of my favorite tracks, especially with how smooth and controllable the McLaren is. I'm not particularly fast (mid 1:39's in race trim) but I'm enjoying it.

Can't wait for Interlagos, Bathurst, and Montreal.

I really like it as well. It has a number of very interesting corners.
I'd really like to be racing there is week instead of Motegi. Omg, what a borning track, with the exception of three or four corners.

 

[Jav]

I'd really like to be racing there is week instead of Motegi. Omg, what a borning track, with the exception of three or four corners.

Man I really dislike Motegi!! That place is dead!! No character or imagination at all!!

 

[Kamuifanboy]

Man I really dislike Motegi!! That place is dead!! No character or imagination at all!!

I agree, the corners themselves have little to no character. But, after driving it in real life, I realized how fun the track is. With a decent car, you are braking 50M before almost every corner. It's so scary because you think, "No way I can make this corner braking this deep" and you are still able to make the corner. It's a lot of fun that way.

 

[Jav]

I agree, the corners themselves have little to no character. But, after driving it in real life, I realized how fun the track is. With a decent car, you are braking 50M before almost every corner. It's so scary because you think, "No way I can make this corner braking this deep" and you are still able to make the corner. It's a lot of fun that way.

Well in real life any track will be fun right??