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[Wilbur]

Yeah the video helped with how bound and rebound work together, thanks Jav. Ill be reading up as much as possible and hopefully ill have a good grasp of it before too long. I thought i learned something from GT5 but i guess not.

Trust me I still have no clue but trying to learn too. I think most console based games don't offer real world feedback, but iracing does for most part.

 

[Jav]

Yeah the video helped with how bound and rebound work together, thanks Jav. Ill be reading up as much as possible and hopefully ill have a good grasp of it before too long. I thought i learned something from GT5 but i guess not.

Lol! Yeah GT5's tunning is all backwards and doesn't really affect the car as it does on iRacing.

 

[Roush_fan_99]

That's the big problem with GT5 is the tuning values are from 0-10 for everything, there's not any real setup it's just, "well if I were to rate it as being loose on a scale of 1-10......" My only question I have with iRacing is how some of the measurements work... Specifically rebound in degrees on the mustang and why there's a coast and drive ramp angle on the CTS instead of just one ramp angle, but you can learn real values with iRacing

 

[Kevin01SH]

That's the big problem with GT5 is the tuning values are from 0-10 for everything, there's not any real setup it's just, "well if I were to rate it as being loose on a scale of 1-10......" My only question I have with iRacing is how some of the measurements work... Specifically rebound in degrees on the mustang and why there's a coast and drive ramp angle on the CTS instead of just one ramp angle, but you can learn real values with iRacing

Yeah the "easy sliders" kind of fooled me into thinking i knew what i was doing. I spent hours reading about them and months and months of tuning before i had it figured out. Now i imagine im back to square one and its going to be a long road before i figure out iracing.

Looks like im stuck doing the Mazda Cup this time, all the other road series are at tracks i dont own and i cant afford to pick them up right now. This game has made me strongly consider selling the ps3, if it didnt have blu-ray i might have already done it. Right now its just a glorified media machine, i dont even touch it lol.

 

[left888]

Speaking of setups, is there a site or documentation somewhere that i could read to fully understand iracings components and how they relate to the track? I understand the basic functions of tuning, but i want to know the finer details so i can have a clue on how to tune so i can improve on this game.

I found This site very informative for understanding how things work in iRacing. I printed this out and have read it many times. It takes a few readings to understand what's going on.

 

[Roush_fan_99]

I was using Dan Rasch's Road atlanta setup (with a few personal touches like brake bias and a camber adjustment) at Spa for practice today, then one of the guys who was at the top of the time board said he was using the Baseline. So I switched to the baseline and gained about 4/10ths of a second. I was running 2:50.9 - 2:51.5 and when I switched I was in the 2:50.5 - 2:50.9. That whole track is about being real Smooth and shifting as little as possible. The only two places I went into second was the chicane before the start/finish line and the downhill 180 degree turn about 3 turns after the big straight, otherwise it was mostly 3rd and 4th gear. When I thought I'd try and drive a little faster I lost about 2 seconds because I wasn't tight on the apexes.

 

[Eric.]

That's the big problem with GT5 is the tuning values are from 0-10 for everything, there's not any real setup it's just, "well if I were to rate it as being loose on a scale of 1-10......" My only question I have with iRacing is how some of the measurements work... Specifically rebound in degrees on the mustang and why there's a coast and drive ramp angle on the CTS instead of just one ramp angle, but you can learn real values with iRacing

Degrees on Mustang shocks are probably how much you turn an adjustment knob, instead of having positions that it would click into (like the MX5 for example, like 32 rebound positions), Coast and drive ramp angle are different because its a 2-way clutch pack diff that locks different amounts on accel and decel (and additionally has some locking in a neutral condition, set via preload).

 

[Roush_fan_99]

Ok so 0 degrees is like 16 clicks?

 

[Jav]

S3 schedule is out, seems like the SRF and the HPD will be getting their own stand alone series and good to see the Grand Touring Cup getting Sundays added to the schedule!

http://members.iracing.com/jforum/posts/list/2018209.page

 

[Eric.]

Ok so 0 degrees is like 16 clicks?

Possibly. I think the bump damping adjustment on the Miata actually goes from -24 to +24. Kind of weird that they do that differently, but maybe there's a legitimate reason for it.

So shocks with numbered settings would be like Tokico Illuminas, which have five settings. And the ones showing degrees would be like a Koni Yellow, with no real indicator of what it is set to.

 

[Roush_fan_99]

The setups aren't exact to real life, like spring adjustments on the legend car are by 25 pound increments, IRL they are 5 pound increments and make quite noticeable actions, and it's actually completely missing pinion angle, and rear axle lead and wheel base length, but in the sim, I'd assume that's acceptable since it's not exactly real life and it's missing that "seat of the pants feel"

 

[terrible1fi]

S3 schedule is out, seems like the SRF and the HPD will be getting their own stand alone series and good to see the Grand Touring Cup getting Sundays added to the schedule!

http://members.iracing.com/jforum/posts/list/2018209.page

they got rid of proto/gt/c6r open multiclass

 

[Eric.]

"Rookie and Class D drivers are the only eligible drivers in the Rookie Street Stock and Mazda Cup series."

Did they really just kick out everyone with higher than a D license in these two series? That sounds like a really bad move. Especially if you were working on your oval skills and finally moved up to class C. Now you'll be forced to buy tracks for the class C series if you wish to continue using Street Stocks.


No open setup LeMans series is lame, too, but I understand why. They really needed to just fix the logic in splitting races and not let one class have much stronger numbers than the others.

 

[OLDSKOOLACURA]

wow, I just played for the first time in a long time. My new seat sucks with my stand.

Think I'm going to look into stands/seats

 

[Roush_fan_99]

Eric, they created a SS series for Class C+ though too. So it may be a good thing

 

[Jav]

they got rid of proto/gt/c6r open multiclass

Sucks that they took the easy route to fix the problem. those 3 cars simply belong together.

 

[Eric.]

Eric, they created a SS series for Class C+ though too. So it may be a good thing

Yeah, but Mazda Cup/Rookie Street Stocks were good for some SR farming every once in a while after some brutal races. I love the Street Stock at Charlotte, even though it has no business being there. At least the Class C will have open setups and it won't feel as much like a dump truck. The Late Model drives so much better anyway, it'll be kind of odd having both of them for Class C now.

 

[Pingwhen]

I really like what they have done with this season

 

[fatkrakr]

I think the farming of ratings is what there trying to get rid of. I think its a good thing alot of people have a license they have no buisness having because of farming. Now if you want a higher license youll have to earn it in your class not go run 100 rookie races to get that b license.

 

[OLDSKOOLACURA]

I just ordered Rseat . Can't wait till it comes.

 

[Jav]

I think the farming of ratings is what there trying to get rid of. I think its a good thing alot of people have a license they have no buisness having because of farming. Now if you want a higher license youll have to earn it in your class not go run 100 rookie races to get that b license.

SR farming can be done and it's done regularly on the higher classes during the race. Just jump in the HPD and hang behind, as long as you can stay awake is pretty much guaranteed you'll get tons of SR! All while messing up the GT's race!

 

[fatkrakr]

Agreed, but at least there trying to elimanate some of it. Besides it will now maybe give the real rookies a chance at winning the championship. As it is now there is 1 rookie in the top 75. Of the mazda cup.

 

[superbike81]

Honestly, I'm happy with most of the changes.

I think the people who truly enjoy the HPD will enjoy the single-class races, as it should still be great racing. The fixed Proto/GT is all we need, it should increase participation in that series overall and we should see a better mix of HPD's and GT's since it's the only option for people who want to do official Proto/GT races. Leagues will cover the rest.

The A-class fixed oval series is awesome, and it's what I've been waiting for but I never thought it would happen. Now I can run without having to worry about ending up in a low participation race with someone trying to go pro and accidentally screw up their race. It runs every day of the week too! Awesome!

B-class oval same deal, fixed series runs every day now.

SR farming can be done in any series and/or TT's as well so I don't really buy that argument. I think the main idea is to get people to participate in the higher license level series instead of staying in the Mazda Cup/Street Stocks forever.

Still mad they won't add a road course to the A or B class oval series though. Would be nice to run Watkin's Glen or something.

 

[livemusic]

Yeah I was really hoping for a HPD only series as I was planning on going back to it on S3. The open Proto/GT series was really low on participation from what I've seen on a spreadsheet someone posted a few pages ago so I agree this was the right move.

Now we have the schedule I can confirm I'll be racing the HPD series and the SM series on S3, plus a SM championship on a private league.

And damn, I lost third place on the Dallara Fixed series by a single point!

 

[Kevin01SH]

SR farming can be done in any series and/or TT's as well so I don't really buy that argument. I think the main idea is to get people to participate in the higher license level series instead of staying in the Mazda Cup/Street Stocks forever.

Yeah every once in a while i see class B drivers in the Mazda Cup and wonder why they're there? I guess either they really like the Mazda or want to run in a series they can be competitive in. Whenever i get my license up i dont think ill come back to the Mazda series, especially if they only rotate between 2 tracks that im already bored with.

 

[marky5244]

I'm disappointed that only rookies and Class D can enter the Mazda races now. As a (slow) A class driver I have been running the Mazda races. The reason is that I have very little time in life at the moment to run iRacing and so was getting my fix running the Mazda races as witth only two tracks being run I could quickly get up to speed without learning the track/car combination in lots of practise sessions.

I'm pleased about the SRF series though - I love that car.

 

[Pingwhen]

Yeah every once in a while i see class B drivers in the Mazda Cup and wonder why they're there? I guess either they really like the Mazda or want to run in a series they can be competitive in. Whenever i get my license up i dont think ill come back to the Mazda series, especially if they only rotate between 2 tracks that im already bored with.

you will see me in the rookies every now and then to race with my friends who dont play alot and are rookies. now i cant do that which is a shame, but not the end of the world.

i also think it was a mistake how they made the hpd single series, open, and the longer hour races. it should be the other way around. the hpd series should be open, with shorter races, and the 3 class series longer with fixed setups. big mistake in my book.

 

[Eric.]

I wouldn't say tunning in a Rookie series has anything to do with wanting an easy race. They always have a bunch of splits and you wont see a single rookie in the top few splits. It's also convenient because they run every hour. I was alternating between Street Stock and Late Model races last week.

And sure, you can farm SR in a TT but I have no desire to do that. I want to race.

 

[Pingwhen]

And sure, you can farm SR in a TT but I have no desire to do that. I want to race.

even more you cant farm SR when you are a higher level, in a rookie series. you earn .5 .6 in perfect races that's the LONG ROAD to up a license level.

and your right eric it is Fun in the rookie series, the Mazda is a crazy card to drive, pure bliss

 

[superbike81]

Have you guys seen the participation numbers for the open-setup Proto/GT races this season? It's absolutely horrible, one of the worst in iRacing. Moving to a fixed only setup will improve the participation. I don't like the idea of 25 minute races, I would think 40 would be a little better, but it's proven time and time again that shorter races mean better participation.

As far as C-class and above drivers entering rookie races, I did it too, simply because it was convenient, not because I wanted to or because I enjoyed it. Having that option taken away will make me more carefully plan my entries into other series. This is a great move by iRacing to get people away from the most popular series and into series that are hurting for participants. I don't see why everyone is so upset, you can still race the MX-5, just do it in the GTC or iRNC. Or even better, move to a different series and enjoy different cars and tracks.