Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?
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There's one thing I really don't get with all the complaints. According to the opinions seen here the car selection sucks, the track selection sucks, the physics engine sucks, the graphics engine sucks, the sound engine sucks, the menu system sucks, the game being too short sucks, the game being too long sucks, the game being too easy sucks, the game being too hard sucks, A-Spec sucks, B-Spec sucks, grinding sucks, I'm sure there's something I missed that sucks too. Oh yeah, the cardboard trees and spectators. Still must be something left though.
Why on earth are you people still playing the freaking game if it's that hopeless?
If you were in a restaurant and ordered a meal that turned out to be half as horrible as you make GT5 sound you wouldn't even look in the direction of that restaurant ever again and finishing the meal would be totally out of question. Yet you play some more GT5 day after day knowing exactly how horrible of an experience it it and then come here to rant about it. Something doesn't match here.
Why on earth are you people still playing the freaking game if it's that hopeless?
If you were in a restaurant and ordered a meal that turned out to be half as horrible as you make GT5 sound you wouldn't even look in the direction of that restaurant ever again and finishing the meal would be totally out of question. Yet you play some more GT5 day after day knowing exactly how horrible of an experience it it and then come here to rant about it. Something doesn't match here.
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Well, maybe I should emphasize on why I am disapoointed in the first place.
See, when I bought Racedriver Grid, I expected a 6/10 game. In my opinion, it was 6/10, so I got what i expected. Fine with me.
When I got Forza3, I expected a 7/10 game. In my opinion, it turned out to be a 8.5/10 game. Cool stuff, got more than I expected.
When I got GT5, I expected a 9/10 game, as its predecessor were at least that good, as far as I am concerned. What I received is a game that I would (currently) rate at 7.5/10.
Better than other games I play, good enough to be played, good enough to be played quite a bit, actually, but not anywhere near the level of quality I came to expect from a Gran Turismo.
And I guess that's what's happened to a lot of people. Hence, they're disappointed. Not because of GT5 being an awful came, but because it's, well, mediocre.
See, when I bought Racedriver Grid, I expected a 6/10 game. In my opinion, it was 6/10, so I got what i expected. Fine with me.
When I got Forza3, I expected a 7/10 game. In my opinion, it turned out to be a 8.5/10 game. Cool stuff, got more than I expected.
When I got GT5, I expected a 9/10 game, as its predecessor were at least that good, as far as I am concerned. What I received is a game that I would (currently) rate at 7.5/10.
Better than other games I play, good enough to be played, good enough to be played quite a bit, actually, but not anywhere near the level of quality I came to expect from a Gran Turismo.
And I guess that's what's happened to a lot of people. Hence, they're disappointed. Not because of GT5 being an awful came, but because it's, well, mediocre.
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Man I bought a ps3 for this game, it's pretty much been sat unused since December. I'm guessing most grievances have been made clear in this thread anyway so theres probably no point in airing mine.
I've been a big fan of Gran Turismo since 1997. GT sparked my interest in pretty much everything automotive, but I guess i've moved on wheras GT (for me) hasnt. Nostalgia realy is a kicker I guess.
I've been a big fan of Gran Turismo since 1997. GT sparked my interest in pretty much everything automotive, but I guess i've moved on wheras GT (for me) hasnt. Nostalgia realy is a kicker I guess.
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GT5 is a good example of the times we live in. As human technology moves forward and unlocks undreamed of possibilities, humanity itself moves backwards at an almost equal pace.
Disclaimer: The consumption of alcohol was a factor in the creation of this deep thought.
Disclaimer: The consumption of alcohol was a factor in the creation of this deep thought.
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Problem is that you lump together all complaints here. I didn't see anyone yet actually disliking every single part of this game. I'm sure there are a few, but those might be the ones who actually have stopped playing. The majority of people however only criticise parts of the game, which in turn means that there will also be parts they enjoy to an extent, and seemingly enough to keep playing.
Next problem: people get other people wrong. This is the Internet. When someone posts something, you don't see his gesture, you don't know what context he's talking out of, you don't know what that person is like. Because of that, the majority of statements comes across differently than it was meant, which in turn leads those who are touchy in that regard to overreacting. The opposite party then feels attacked and launches a counter-attack, and the whole thing is completely blown out of proportions.
Come on, you've been here long enough, you know how it works. Just remember to take every statement with a grain of salt. Try to look behind the posts and see what motivates this person to say that. And keep an open mind. I know it's not easy, but it definitely helps in understanding what is going on.
If you disregard the content of complaints and look at the big picture, you might come to the conclusion that GT5 simply isn't good enough. Whether the complaining is justified or not, the simple circumstance that there is so much of it must mean something. And this is a forum where you will very likely meet people who are in favor of the franchise.
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For starters, if hungry enough, I have wolfed down many a bad burger and stale fries! But yes, I didn't go back there again. Same with GT5.
I loved Shift. Yes, the physics weren't super accurate (but they were better than many make out), but the AI were a challenge, the immersion was better, the driving views were better, the upward path had no grinding, the online was reliable and easy to get an evenly matched race, you could tune all the cars and livery them, races had stats like your lap times AND the time to the leader and the trailing cars (helps to know if the guy behind is gaining or losing on you), races ended with not only position, but fastest lap of all players (sometimes, you lose a race but at least have the consolation of fastest lap!), the car selection was less biased to rice rockets, and the track selection was more western, and many many other things.
But I stopped playing it and got GT5. And you know why? Because everyone told me how GREAT GT5 was going to be. GT4 certainly was a great game for its day, why would GT5 be any less? Well, it is. See my sig. 400 events less...
I AM still playing the game, and I am still holding out for patches. But my hope is dying. I explained a few pages back why I haven't gone back to Shift. But I'll be going to Shift 2 if it isn't a complete mess, and it has better wheel FFB and better physics (which that article clearly indicates - BTW I can't believe SMS are being CRITICIZED for fixing flaws BEFORE the game is released! If only PD had done the same thing!) if Kaz hasn't addressed the MAIN things wrong with GT5. Yes, I agree that there are quite a lot of fairly minor things griped about. But AI no better than GT4, and 400 events missing (which is what makes the grinding NECESSARY) simply HAVE to be added, along with many fixes to online (where the real action is, anyway!).
And Kaz has until Shift 2 comes out or I think, if it is any good, a whole LOT of GT5 players will go. Once burned, twice shy. We won't be back. There's only ONE reason we bought GT5. Because GT4 was so good. If GT4 had sucked, do you honestly think GT5 would have sold so well..? Really? Every game franchise lives or dies on how good the LAST one was. GT6 is nowhere near the guaranteed hit that it would have been if GT5 wasn't such a disappointment. But if PD/Sony want another blockbuster on their hands, they HAVE to fix this one first.
And soon...
BTW, Greycap, do you actually LIKE any of the things that people are griping about (if you want to use a pejorative for simply expressing disappointment)? Do YOU like grinding? Do you like B-Spec being twice as long as A-Spec (most of their races have twice as many laps as A-Spec)? Do you like the unresponsive, SLOW A.I.? Do you like having 400 less events less than GT4? Did you even PLAY GT4?
If the answer to any of the above is no (especially that last one), why the outrage over people's honest thoughts? It's not like any of these gripes don't have a foundation in truth.
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I am not playing very much to be honest. I still turn it on to buy some cars & maybe once a week race online against a friend. I am waiting for the WRS to start so I'll have something to do in the game.
All the GT series have actually had the same problem and people on the whole have been crying out for the same things...
- competitive AI
- decent damage model
- proper race regulations.
They actually started to improve race regulations with the introduction of the power point system in a previous version which at least allowed you to get a half decent race, and yet where is it now?
The AI is still the same rubbish it always was, and damage modelling is laughable.
Not only that but they added a whole set of new problems, like including an unnecessary levelling system.
The thing is PD said they had listened, that GT5 would be the awesome sauce, with better AI, damage at last as well as a whole bunch of new features and the time they took over it certainly gave some credence to those statements.
Unfortunately they have in fact completely changed the philosophy of the game. This is the least realistic, most arcadey, completely illogical version of GT that has ever been created. I think as far as gameplay is concerned GT1 was better.
So why do I keep playing? It is the only racing game that both myself and my distant friend both have and we have played every previous GT against each other for over a decade since we were at uni together.
However whilst I am still playing a small portion of the game, the rest of it annoys me constantly and I certainly won't be booking a table at the GT6 restaurant. I might rent it from blockbusters to see if PD have redeemed themselves though.
On the current evidence though it doesn't look good. Unrestricted seasonal events where the grid is spread by 30-45 seconds? Despite there being no tuning restrictions the other competitors bring barely tuned cars to the 'race' and choose rubbish tyres? I don't think you can call that a race.
One of GT5's UCD JGTC cars actually says in the description "All race series in the world are based on a set of regulations" I guess they just cut and pasted that from somewhere without understanding the statement.
I'd better stop ranting now and play a bit of JC2 or something
Generally I am disappointed with GT5, if this is the result of five years development I thhink PD need to give their heads a wobble. This is the game I bought a PS3 for in 2009. And while there are bits I like there is a lot that is seriously underwhelming.
Not enough events, just look at A-Spec. I mean Yaris events .. Yuk. It looks like they just copied some of the GT4 events and away they go. And there arent enough for the stupid grind that you have to do to get to the next level to unlock other events.
Most of the tracks we have seen before. And the new ones are nothing to write home about. Although the screen tearing does add to them. Major fail there.
The AI is abysmal, I did one of the special licence tests on Grand Valley and EVERY time the cars followed the same route and made the same moves EVERY time. And in NASCAR it is just a joke, its like your car is invisible to them. The AI drivers act like they are drunk. Or blind. Or both.
B-Spec is a waste of time, only yesterday I used my only driver to do an Endurance race on Suzuka. The XP got added to my drivers profile but has not appeared on the main bar on the GT Life screen. So I have my only driver with different XP levels. Ludicrous. Yeah I really want to do the same events twicw PD, once in A and once in B. Not.
It has an 8GB install but you have to wait for most screens to load. Do a race and exit .. *load* .. back to the race entry screen .. *load* ah right can I go back to the A-spec screen ?? .. *load* .. and back to GT life .. *load* .. ridiculous. Most of the time spent browsing is spent looking at that GT logo.
Tune a car and its four button presses for EVERY mod. For petes sake what was wrong with a drop down menu so you can do it all at once. They have stuck to the same proceedures we saw in GT3 and GT4 !!, does the word progress not exist to PD ??
A grand total of eight special events .. wow, how long did that take to come up with ??, really pushed the boat out there.
And the final straw for me is the Seasonal Events, they were just about the only reason I played the game (apart from blasting round the Nordschliefe in my new cars) and were very welcome. Then we get a message saying that they will be updated every Thursday plus or minus one day and what happens the next week, they dont !!, and the only explanation we get is "taking a little break". Why on earth would you openly tell the community one thing then NOT do it and NOT provide an explanation ??, awful customer realtions from PD.
I am waiting for the next update, if it doesnt improve the game massively it will be traded when Killzone 3 comes out. I loved GT3 and GT4, I played them for months with no lessening of the enjoyment level. But this shoddy effort is virtually not used after less than three months.
I hope it improves after the update but I suspect not, after all you cant polish a turd. No doubt the GT5 fanboys would buy a turnip if it had Kaz's recommendation but I want value for money, and this game, after all the waiting just doesnt cut it.
Not enough events, just look at A-Spec. I mean Yaris events .. Yuk. It looks like they just copied some of the GT4 events and away they go. And there arent enough for the stupid grind that you have to do to get to the next level to unlock other events.
Most of the tracks we have seen before. And the new ones are nothing to write home about. Although the screen tearing does add to them. Major fail there.
The AI is abysmal, I did one of the special licence tests on Grand Valley and EVERY time the cars followed the same route and made the same moves EVERY time. And in NASCAR it is just a joke, its like your car is invisible to them. The AI drivers act like they are drunk. Or blind. Or both.
B-Spec is a waste of time, only yesterday I used my only driver to do an Endurance race on Suzuka. The XP got added to my drivers profile but has not appeared on the main bar on the GT Life screen. So I have my only driver with different XP levels. Ludicrous. Yeah I really want to do the same events twicw PD, once in A and once in B. Not.
It has an 8GB install but you have to wait for most screens to load. Do a race and exit .. *load* .. back to the race entry screen .. *load* ah right can I go back to the A-spec screen ?? .. *load* .. and back to GT life .. *load* .. ridiculous. Most of the time spent browsing is spent looking at that GT logo.
Tune a car and its four button presses for EVERY mod. For petes sake what was wrong with a drop down menu so you can do it all at once. They have stuck to the same proceedures we saw in GT3 and GT4 !!, does the word progress not exist to PD ??
A grand total of eight special events .. wow, how long did that take to come up with ??, really pushed the boat out there.
And the final straw for me is the Seasonal Events, they were just about the only reason I played the game (apart from blasting round the Nordschliefe in my new cars) and were very welcome. Then we get a message saying that they will be updated every Thursday plus or minus one day and what happens the next week, they dont !!, and the only explanation we get is "taking a little break". Why on earth would you openly tell the community one thing then NOT do it and NOT provide an explanation ??, awful customer realtions from PD.
I am waiting for the next update, if it doesnt improve the game massively it will be traded when Killzone 3 comes out. I loved GT3 and GT4, I played them for months with no lessening of the enjoyment level. But this shoddy effort is virtually not used after less than three months.
I hope it improves after the update but I suspect not, after all you cant polish a turd. No doubt the GT5 fanboys would buy a turnip if it had Kaz's recommendation but I want value for money, and this game, after all the waiting just doesnt cut it.
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Seeing how little actual grinding I've had to do (perhaps my standards are different to those for others) I at least can't say I dislike it. I've only got two 1000 tickets and I'm at 98% completion, lvl 36 A-Spec and lvl 35 B-Spec so quite honestly I can't see why people have to grind as much as they say unless their definition of grinding indeed differs greatly from mine.
Doesn't bother me. Had they been shorter getting to the first place would have been quite a battle in many cases without a seriously overpowered car.
If you mean the AI that for the first time in the series actually notices I'm next to them in the corners and acts accordingly, tries to give room when being lapped (often fails but at least tries to) and gives a reasonable fight when using a car of a similar class with similar tyres, it's another thing of which I at least can't say I dislike it. While they're too slow for me and you they probably are too fast for many others and that's a problem that can't be cured without rubberbanding, and we all know how well liked that would be.
Around 200 of which are manufacturer races you can now mostly recreate with the one make option, mind. I'm actually happy all the Test Course, Beginner Course and Motorland races are gone as they served very little purpose when it came to really driving the cars. Another thing worth noting is that (if my memory works at all) some races under the same name are longer in GT5 than in GT4. And the gap certainly doesn't feel that big so perhaps I even should say I like it because I liked GT4 and can't see that much of a difference.
Only for five and a half years, 100% completion and everything possible golded. Almost 1300 races won. I think I did.
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If we're talking about real factual faults instead of those that are more "I'd like" there are a few. No differences in tyre wear, very little if any difference in grip between slicks and rain tyres in the wet, AI cars practically on rails in the case of a collision. Just a couple of things they really got wrong.
Of course we all want ten thousand cars in full HD, racing on a thousand tracks with fully variable weather, time of day and time of year but that's up to the game makers and hardware limitations. The physics problems, however, aren't.
Of course we all want ten thousand cars in full HD, racing on a thousand tracks with fully variable weather, time of day and time of year but that's up to the game makers and hardware limitations. The physics problems, however, aren't.
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Are you sure about that? I've tried a few free practice runs on a wet Nürburgring on slicks and slided all over the place whilst when fitting the rain tyres I could easily control it.
Maybe there's an inconsistency whereby the difference isn't that noticeable in A-spec races though although due to the above experience I haven't tried wet races with slicks yet.
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A Japanese release date of March was announced for GT5, but this didn’t happen, can you offer any explanation why?
KY: Deciding a release date for a game is always difficult, as it’s not something I can decide on my own. The agreement on a date comes between various parties at Sony, and it’s not necessarily a date I would be hoping for.
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If someone in 2005 had said to GTP that the next GT in 2010 would have all the features and quality that it have now no one would believe it.
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Quality ?
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This is GTP, old enought members know what is a GT game and what to expect from it, most of the major complains come from people ignorant about the series or migrated users from others games that jumped the hype waggon in the last year/months. Maybe they didn't know what were going to buy. The strong points in GT are even stronger in GT5, and a lot of non expected features were adopted as a surprise in the last 1-2 years of development.
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I love it when this one is put about, the people who are complaining don't understand GT, what a load of rubbish. I've been playing computer games for nearly 30 years, have owned every console, played every GT to death and most other racing games. I am one of those people you talk about yet I disagree with what you say about GT5. It is a shadow of other GT's and falls short of it's contemporaries in many regards. If people can't see it deficiencies as well as it's top quality bits then they are only deluding themselves.
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Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. I have been a GT nut from the very beginning and have been playing every title religiously ever since, therefore I consider myself "old enough" in terms of playing Gran Turismo.
That said, I find GT5 the weakest as well as most disappointing incarnation of the series as of yet. A lot of strong points that made me want to play Gran Turismo in the past have been either spoiled, removed or dumbed down for #5. Therefore, I do not think this is a GT-newbie-phenomenon.
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You are making this out to be more damning evidence than it actually is. The most that proves is that Kaz isn't the only one who has a say in when the game comes out (which is kind of a "duh" moment). It says nothing about how much of a say he does have.
When you first posted this, I thought it was a fair enough comment. Now that you have expanded upon it in a way that is basically opposite to reality, it is one of the most unintentionally hilarious thing I've seen in a good while (and, at the same time, still being true!). Yes, 5 years ago, people wouldn't have expected GT5 to struggle to get mid-80s in reviews. 5 years ago, people wouldn't have expected the final game to be so slapdash. 5 years ago, people wouldn't expect the game to be a shoe-in on most video game publication's "most disappointing games of the year" lists. And 5 years ago, people wouldn't have expected GT5 to be the quality it ended up being. They would have expected it to be far, far better.
Which is why GT5 hasn't exactly been sunshines and rainbows for older members either.
Um, no?
Except when they aren't. Which is the case for many of them.
And a lot of features that were expected aren't in the game.
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You mean old enough as in don't expect or appreciate change? Old enough to be unable to keep up with progress?
Old enough as in saying "I remember playing computer games in the seventies and eighties and that's why anything today looks great to me you spoiled little young whippersnappers"?
Old enough to me means that I don't necessarily want the same thing I've already experienced unless it's truly within a new context (and yes the young ones are spoiled by definition
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I also always love how when someone before begin to complain says he is a big fan of GT and that played all the games, like an excuse to give more weight to his words, and when I check he is a new registered member in GTP...
There are deficiencies like in all previous GT, GT5 is bigger and is making more things than any other game out there so is prone to have more deficiences, but as a package GT5 is an incredible big step in the series and a promising start of the things to come.
