Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?

[Uscbryan]

I agree, but keep the interior views, because it truly makes it a better and more realistic racing experience, and take away the cosmetic damage, but add just mechanicle and performance damage

I say get rid if all the views other than interior. If it is the "real racing simulator" then make people drive like they would a real car. From the inside. All other views are arcade views.

 

[CarreraGT]

I say get rid if all the views other than interior. If it is the "real racing simulator" then make people drive like they would a real car. From the inside. All other views are arcade views.

I don't think they should take the views away because I like to have a look at the car occasionally to see the (lack of) damage. But I always drive using the interior view as I think it gives the most realistic viewpoint, not only in terms of being able to see the interior, but also longitudinal positioning in the car.

This is what annoys me about the standard/premium thing. Not the low res textures and lack of detail, but having to drive from a different view

 

[t.o.]

I don't think they should take the views away because I like to have a look at the car occasionally to see the (lack of) damage. But I always drive using the interior view as I think it gives the most realistic viewpoint, not only in terms of being able to see the interior, but also longitudinal positioning in the car.

This is what annoys me about the standard/premium thing. Not the low res textures and lack of detail, but having to drive from a different view

SO true. I mean some of those standards are just butt fugly but the lack of cockpit is 99% of my beef with those cars.

 

[CarreraGT]

I reckon. I got to sit in the the CLK GTR at Goodwood last year, and was so disappointed when I saw it as a standard model in GT5. It's still blindingly fast and sounds awesome but it's just not the same if you can't sit inside it.

I know PD couldn't satisfy everyone with their premium choices, but that car set the world on fire when it was introduced. As did the Mclaren F1 GTR, and yet neither are premium. I don't mean to flog a dead horse, but how a Suzuki Cappuccino could be considered more important than either of these cars amazes me (sorry for anyone who drives a cappuccino. Well, not really)

 

[nsbratt]

I love the game overall, but here are my complaints as well, as I do think they have missed the mark on competitiveness (most relative to GT5 Prologue, which was more challenging to progress in):
1. No Penalties - Prologue would cut your engine for 5 seconds if you cut a corner or rammed someone too hard. No such thing in the full version, where you can do whatever you want and win easily.
2. AI Cars are too slow. I drove a race where there was a Veyron in the pack that never moved up in position. When I drove it with a Veyron I blew by everyone before the first turn, so the AI cars seem to drive at 90%?, which leads to my next complaint.
3. It's hard to choose a competitive car. With all the mods etc., you can easily out perform the AI cars in a car that you would think would be about the same (weight, power etc.). In Prologe with the PP system, you could be sure that you would need to drive a clean race to beat an AI car with the same PP rating. And just having the rating let you know you were in the right ballpark.
4. The Top gear challenges are stupid. Driving a Lotus on hard street tires is crazy. I can win level 17 races on the first try, but i can't get around the test track once in that thing, yet the AI cars never slide at all. This is the one place that the AI is faster than you can ever be.
5. I also don't understand B-Spec in the slightest? Who is that for?
6. Why is there only damage in arcade mode? I shouldn't be able to win a race where I hit the 1st turn wall at Daytona at 160mph.

 

[CarreraGT]

I agree with the above, although I am slightly less disappointed since picking up a 787B last night.

What disappoints me is that all I am doing right now is lapping the nordschleife. With GT4, it took me about a year to get to this point, and I was hoping that with a descent AI system and some proper race series' it would take me a lot longer in GT5. Oh well, I could do this for another couple of years yet, but I thought I would be doing more this time around.

Maybe the next GT...

 

[Destinkeys]

I think it's time to put to bed any comments about how GOOD this game is. You might have played GT4 and think this game is so much better, but that is by FAR the minority opinion. You are, of course, entitled to it, but the vast number of posts from people well familiar with GT4 and GT5p bemoaning the missing 'stuff' seems to be the majority opinion. There's an "are you still playing GT5 thread" where only 37% of respondents say they are still playing GT5 happily. That's 63% that have either stopped altogether, play only a little, or still play but are getting bored. And about 600 voters, so statistically significant. Plus of course, probably many many more that stopped playing it altogether that aren't on the forum any more, to vote!

People dissatisfied in one way or another outnumber the satisfied 2:1. That's not good, by anyone's definition...

And a LARGE contingent of the dissatisfied come from GT4. In fact, that's WHY they are dissatisfied..!

 

[MowTin]

And a LARGE contingent of the dissatisfied come from GT4. In fact, that's WHY they are dissatisfied..!

GT4 didn't have online racing.

Anyway, I understand. Some don't want to race online. They just want hundreds of events against the AI.

I never played GT4. I'm used to racing games that don't have a single player portion (LFS or iRacing). There is just online racing against real human beings. It's just 10x more fun to race against people than mindless AI.

 

[vrooom]

I think it's time to put to bed any comments about how GOOD this game is. You might have played GT4 and think this game is so much better, but that is by FAR the minority opinion. You are, of course, entitled to it, but the vast number of posts from people well familiar with GT4 and GT5p bemoaning the missing 'stuff' seems to be the majority opinion. There's an "are you still playing GT5 thread" where only 37% of respondents say they are still playing GT5 happily. That's 63% that have either stopped altogether, play only a little, or still play but are getting bored. And about 600 voters, so statistically significant. Plus of course, probably many many more that stopped playing it altogether that aren't on the forum any more, to vote!

People dissatisfied in one way or another outnumber the satisfied 2:1. That's not good, by anyone's definition...

And a LARGE contingent of the dissatisfied come from GT4. In fact, that's WHY they are dissatisfied..!

I still think that GT5 is much better than GT4!

I always thought that GT4 and GT3 had awful handling. In GT5 there are some cars that handle beautifully, like the Ford GT - I love this car, and some cars that may not be the fastest of their class but they have so much character in their handling and their looks I have great time driving them, like the Alfa Romeo 8C - brilliant ride!

But of course there are many things to be disappointed with GT5, I don't have to mention them again, I think we all know them. But eventually for all it's flaws, glitches and missed potential of GT5 I don't regret buying it.

 

[Luminis]

I still think that GT5 is much better than GT4!

It has better physics. That's about it. Okay, you can paint cars and add a body kit here and there, but given how restricted those are...

GT5 is just newer. If it didn't have better physics (and graphics as well as a few other things), everyone would just point at it and laugh.
But, in my opinion, that doesn't make it a better game.

 

[Destinkeys]

I still think that GT5 is much better than GT4!

I always thought that GT4 and GT3 had awful handling. In GT5 there are some cars that handle beautifully, like the Ford GT - I love this car, and some cars that may not be the fastest of their class but they have so much character in their handling and their looks I have great time driving them, like the Alfa Romeo 8C - brilliant ride!

But of course there are many things to be disappointed with GT5, I don't have to mention them again, I think we all know them. But eventually for all it's flaws, glitches and missed potential of GT5 I don't regret buying it.

I'm sorry, but if the handling is all you can come up with to make GT5 better than GT4, you aren't playing the game... you are just driving around.

You see, if GT5 actually WAS a 'driving' game, then there's no need for AI. There's no need for Events. There's no need for leaderboards. There's no need for any races whatsoever. No B-Spec (that's not driving, that's 'watching'!). No License Tests.

But, curiously, GT5 takes part ENTIRELY on race tracks. And you are supposed to race other cars. So much for 'driving'..! You are putting GT5 in your PS3, but you are trying to play TDU.

The minute you acknowledge PD making a racing game, then all those other elements you acknowledge as nerfed become ESSENTIAL parts of the game.

It's kind of like having a chess game, but there are too many squares. And the pieces don't make chess moves. But the pieces themselves are modeled beautifully..! No chess player in the world would say that's an improvement over a chess game where the squares were correct in number, and the pieces moved right, but the polygon count was low, and you couldn't see the grain on the wood in 3D...

I just don't get how GT5 gets cut so much slack because it LOOKS good and the cars handle OK (but no real sim driver would say they are perfect), but just about every single actual GAME element is bad, sometimes to the point of disbelief.

 

[vrooom]

I'm sorry, but if the handling is all you can come up with to make GT5 better than GT4, you aren't playing the game... you are just driving around.

You see, if GT5 actually WAS a 'driving' game, then there's no need for AI. There's no need for Events. There's no need for leaderboards. There's no need for any races whatsoever. No B-Spec (that's not driving, that's 'watching'!). No License Tests.

But, curiously, GT5 takes part ENTIRELY on race tracks. And you are supposed to race other cars. So much for 'driving'..! You are putting GT5 in your PS3, but you are trying to play TDU.

The minute you acknowledge PD making a racing game, then all those other elements you acknowledge as nerfed become ESSENTIAL parts of the game.

It's kind of like having a chess game, but there are too many squares. And the pieces don't make chess moves. But the pieces themselves are modeled beautifully..! No chess player in the world would say that's an improvement over a chess game where the squares were correct in number, and the pieces moved right, but the polygon count was low, and you couldn't see the grain on the wood in 3D...

I just don't get how GT5 gets cut so much slack because it LOOKS good and the cars handle OK (but no real sim driver would say they are perfect), but just about every single actual GAME element is bad, sometimes to the point of disbelief.

I never said GT5 is a great game because it isn't. Good yes, but not great!
I just said I enjoy it much more than GT4 which doesn't say much because I hated GT4 since I thought it had awful handling!
There, I said it!

I don't consider GT5 to be the best driving game ever and there are games out there which are better, more fun, sims that are better and there are upcoming games I am looking forward to which I am sure that are going to be a lot better!

I am just saying that in my opinion GT4 was a very bad game, not at all fun, a game I regretted buying due to the awful (in my opinion) handling, lack of mechanical damage (sorry I want consequences for my mistakes), very bad AI (you call that racing?), lack of cockpit or good camera views.

GT5 fixed the handling (admittedly not for all cars) and added a cockpit view (again not for all cars). So only for that it is already a better game than GT4 for me!

Sure GT4 had a much better game structure than GT5, some very nice tracks but the handling was (at least for me) so bad I could never enjoy it.

 

[calan_svc]

I just don't get how GT5 gets cut so much slack because it LOOKS good...

Meh... it doesn't even look that good if you take it as a whole. "Some" of the cars look fantastic, and...well that's about it.

The incredible amount of screen tearing, FPS drops, block shadows, lousy rain effects, and 10 year-old textures pretty much overshadow the premium car detailing, most of which (somewhat ironically) can't be seen in the first place.

But we all know this already don't we.

 

[vrooom]

It has better physics. That's about it. Okay, you can paint cars and add a body kit here and there, but given how restricted those are...

GT5 is just newer. If it didn't have better physics (and graphics as well as a few other things), everyone would just point at it and laugh.
But, in my opinion, that doesn't make it a better game.

Yep, that's about it. Only GT5's physics are better than GT4.
I don't even consider GT5 to have good graphics. Sure it has some great models but there are so many graphical glitches, omissions, frame rate drops which in my opinion make the final result not look that good.

If GT4 had GT5's physics would definitely be a better game. But it doesn't and I never liked the handling in GT4.

 

[vrooom]

The minute you acknowledge PD making a racing game, then all those other elements you acknowledge as nerfed become ESSENTIAL parts of the game.

Hehe, to be honest PD doesn't get racing, they never did!

I am not cutting them slack but GT series had never good racing.

I am just saying that if I have to choose between the bad racing of GT4 and bad racing of GT5, I choose GT5 because at least in GT5 some cars handle good and have cockpit view which is not the case for GT4.

But, curiously, GT5 takes part ENTIRELY on race tracks. And you are supposed to race other cars. So much for 'driving'..! You are putting GT5 in your PS3, but you are trying to play TDU.

I haven't played TDU but I wouldn't be surprised if it has better handling than GT4. I am sorry I don't consider GT4 to have ever been a driving sim, in my opinion it wasn't even a good driving game.

 

[niky]

Here's a funny thing: I played it to death, but I didn't like GT4 more than GT5... except for the fact that there are some good tracks there that didn't make the cut.

GT3's more arcadish handling model was lots more fun. Drifting in GT4 was a lot like pulling teeth unless you did tire staggering... and even then... the lack of lift-off and trail-brake dynamics was an extreme downer, and the lack of variety in F1 cars after the F1-gasm of GT3 was a big turn-off.

Not saying GT5 is perfect... far from it... but neither was GT4. The closest to perfect (for its time) that any GT has gotten was GT3 A-Spec.

 

[birksy82]

I think it's time to put to bed any comments about how GOOD this game is. You might have played GT4 and think this game is so much better, but that is by FAR the minority opinion. You are, of course, entitled to it, but the vast number of posts from people well familiar with GT4 and GT5p bemoaning the missing 'stuff' seems to be the majority opinion. There's an "are you still playing GT5 thread" where only 37% of respondents say they are still playing GT5 happily. That's 63% that have either stopped altogether, play only a little, or still play but are getting bored. And about 600 voters, so statistically significant. Plus of course, probably many many more that stopped playing it altogether that aren't on the forum any more, to vote!

People dissatisfied in one way or another outnumber the satisfied 2:1. That's not good, by anyone's definition...

And a LARGE contingent of the dissatisfied come from GT4. In fact, that's WHY they are dissatisfied..!

Well from my point of view I have stopped playing, not because I am bored with GT5, but because I have had some other games which don't involve cars. GT5 is the first game I have played solidly for 2 months or so, so if it's not that good this wouldn't of happened. If I want to drive cars in a game I have GT5 there to do this but driving games are not high on my list if I'm honest, I'm more into FPS.

I have a great interest in driving cars so the physics in a racing game are high on my list, when I got GT4 I didn't even nearly complete it as imo the cars didn't feel right, I'm the same with other racers for example NFS Shift I played for an hour and then sold it as it was very unrealistic. Imo GT4 had way too many events iirc it was a bit overwhelming so there is another reason why I didn't put the time in on it and not to mention the Xbox360 came out later in the year which I bought and sold the PS2.

I think it would make an interesting poll to see if the people who are disappointed or not were following the news on this game for so long, I for one didn't bother I heard of the release dates and then the delays and that was about it. I reckon a lot of the disappointed people had followed the news right upto the release which tbh is an age lol.

 

[Angst72]

Am I disappointed with GT5? Nope. Of course I would like to get more cars and tracks, but three things make this my go-to driving game:

1. Nurbürgring with changeable time and weather. Trying out new cars on the Ring and seeing the weather shift is pretty awesome.
2. Online with friends.
3. Photo Mode.

Things I would like to see:
Leaderboards and the ability to race against my friends ghosts.
More tracks with changeable weather and time.

And to the matter of judging whether people are happy or dissatisfied with GT5 by the responses on a negative thread on a message board - I don't think that's a good way to judge whether people like it or not. Most people who are happy with the game don't take the time to read the posts in the whine threads.

 

[leopex]

I would like alot more events in a-spec. Drifting, Nascar, F1, Rally... I think that is the only thing i dont like with this game.

 

[ScouserInExile]

Not saying GT5 is perfect... far from it... but neither was GT4. The closest to perfect (for its time) that any GT has gotten was GT3 A-Spec.

I have to agree on the GT3 thing. GT£ is by far and away my most played game, ever. Which is quite a claim, when you consider the time I put into gaming in the 80's and 90's.

Ten years ago, when I got GT3, I had one weekend a month where my housemate was away and I wouldn't be seeing Mrs ScouserInExile and I would spend the whole weekend playing it. And I do mean the whole weekend - I'd get enough food and beer in and not leave the house from when I got home from work on the Friday until I had to go to work Monday. I wouldn't even sleep that much.

The weird thing is, I never got beyond about 75% complete - not least because I would frequently start my game again (I had three memory cards - one had my long-running save on, one had a save at the point where I'd just golded all the licences, the third was used for restarting games). But I would play it and play it over and over again.

Which is where the disapointment comes in with GT5. I've not had much time to play it since launch, but I've managed to complete up to Endurance in A-Spec, a little bit beyond in B-Spec and I've done all the special events I can be bothered doing. And that's it, I'm done. I set up a secoind account on my PS3 to start a new game last weekend, booted up the game and then just thought "I can't be bothered with this". I reverted to my main account, looked around for something to do, found nothing then switched it off. There just isn't enough od a game there to keep me happy.

I know people will read this and say "it's not about getting trophies, it's about the driving". But the basic principle of good game design is "complete task -> get reward" and driving a different car in a competition I've already completed doesn't follow this basic idea.

I also have an issue with the grind. Previous titles had an element of grind - if you didn't gold the licences, you invariable had to run the first couplf races a couple of times to progress further into game (which follows the above design principle). However, forcing the user to play the same, high-level races over and over and over again to progress is unforgiveable and is the point where playing becomes a chore. Though I will admit to using the rubber-band trick to grind the super speedway enduro in GT3, and letting Bob grind the enduros in GT4 while I was at work.

There is also the "no life" problem with the endurances. I don't even have time to do a 9-hour enduro, let alone a 24 hour one. Not being able to save, or tag in an AI driver is outragous. Even if you could get Bob to help out, my missus would go balistic if I left the PS3 on for 24 hours straight.

I tend to roll my eyes a touch when I see threads about the lack of premiums, no damage, the exhaust sounds etc. because I think "none of these would matter if the game was actually any good" But it's just not as good as the previous games. Yes the graphics are great. Yes the physics are amazing. Yes it has a lot of whistles and bells. But it's verging on a tech demo, there is that little in the way of game there.

Sorry, that went on a bit...

 

[phil bell]

I actually expected far more after such a wait.Not for glitches like an r8 v10 that says 'V8 FSI' in the engine bay or a murcielago lp640 with a low res,drab grey interior.
And the interface is still in need of work as well as the lack of premium cars.Then theres the choice of what cars to make premium,for example i would rather have a premium supra RZ than a premium prius or any other $#%@ electric/hybrid cars(except the CR-Z,thats actually pretty good,lol).

 

[Obli]

I have to agree on the GT3 thing...

<SNIP>

Sorry, that went on a bit...

GT3 came out some time ago. Do you have the desire to invest as much time in to GT5 as you did in GT3? I find nowadays, I don't play games as often or as long as I used to.

To improve longevity of GT5, how about taking the game online?

 

[JediRage]

Maybe the next GT...

That reminds me of Arsenal and Liverpool fans saying every year, "Next year we will win the League!!!111!!!!"

 

[ScouserInExile]

GT3 came out some time ago. Do you have the desire to invest as much time in to GT5 as you did in GT3? I find nowadays, I don't play games as often or as long as I used to.

Well no. And that's kinda oe of the problems - I've not spent days playing GT5, yet I feel I've gone as far with it as I can. I'm actually tempted to dig out 3 or 4 and see if I just have rose-tinted specs.

To improve longevity of GT5, how about taking the game online?

I don't do online. I have no idea why, it just doesn't interest me.

Oh and the post two up nicely demonstrates what make me roll my eyes about a lot of compaints on here. Does anyone care that they've re-used the v8 texture on a v10? Really?

 

[ScouserInExile]

That reminds me of Arsenal and Liverpool fans saying every year, "Next year we will win the League!!!111!!!!"

OI! No need!

 

[JediRage]

OI! No need!

Hehe, to spread salt on the wound I should've said, Liverpool fans say every year, "Next year we will qualify for Champions League football!!!!111!!!!"

Oh well, enjoy your renaissance. I wished Liverpool had re-appointed Rafa because it was amazing the things he did for them

 

[R34EVO9]

Lol so i had my ex girlfriend over yesterday when i was playing gt5 and she was all excited and wanted to play..

So i gave her the b spec mode and went down stairs to get us food and omg the words i heard coming out my room i thought she and my sister had gotten into a fight so i ran back upstairs to find her yelling at bob....lmao....

Then she wanted to race so i gave her my f430 scudaria and let her take it for a ride around cape ring inside then it got even worst ... The ai was rubbish she said then she Started complaining about how the guy hand stays off the wheel too long, then she went off about the trees how the look like rubbish..

After all of this she didnt really like the game much... lol.... She was like o i thought this was going to be like gt4 or something....

She even try buying wheels for her gs300 (her favorite car) and it wouldn't let her.. That was another funny moment...

So thats how most people felt that never followed gt5 on gtp like us must have felt when they bought the game cause she was pisssed and it was so funny

 

[MowTin]

So GT4 had dramatically inferior graphics to GT5, no damage model at all, no online play, but it was better?

GT5 has many flaws but name a better overall racing game on a console?

--not FM3 I own that

 

[vwtechnician]

GT3 came out some time ago. Do you have the desire to invest as much time in to GT5 as you did in GT3? I find nowadays, I don't play games as often or as long as I used to.

To improve longevity of GT5, how about taking the game online?

This is the part that most people seem to forget. Believe me, I put tons of hours into previous GTs and yes A spec is lacking in this one and the Endurance races are ridiculous since you can't save, do other stuff and come back to it or tag in AI drivers. My thing is, with the online community available, I don't even really have much desire to go back and complete the Enduro hall and I'm fine with that. I have endless, competent and challenging competition whenever I want online. In fact, having spent so much time online, it really makes much of A spec seem mundane and pointless but my point is, why does that even matter? People are upset because there aren't enough low competition AI events to race against? I'm slightly disappointed in that, too, but if online doesn't make up for that 10 times over you're doing something wrong.

 

[JediRage]

In fact, having spent so much time online, it really makes much of A spec seem mundane and pointless but my point is, why does that even matter? People are upset because there aren't enough low competition AI events to race against? I'm slightly disappointed in that, too, but if online doesn't make up for that 10 times over you're doing something wrong.

If the online was well implemented, you would have a case. But I'm fed up of...

1. going online
2. loading screen
3. checking network setting
4. browsing a list of rooms mostly with one or two people
5. crossing fingers and clicking on one
6. loading screen (longer one)
7. inactive host/endless free run/not having a car suitable to restrictions/disconnected from lobby/wack settings (no penalty/no damage)
8. I quit/get disconnected/kicked
9. loading screen
10. back to gt mode
11. click online
12. loading screen
13. repeat from step 3

If this online makes up for your shortage of a-spec experience, you my friend, need to buy a few more online games from the last 3 years.