Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?

[dan0h]

if you want to play a driving simulator then play GT5 if you want to play a game where you can swap a twin turbo corvette motor into a chevy aveo and DO A TOP SPEED OF LIKE 240+ then you can play the arcade game Forza3 nuf said

Close. But no cigar.

If you want to race a driving simulator, spend a lot of money on a decent PC rig, as every console simulation has its limitations.

If you want a tuners sandbox game, that has awesome physics, beautiful courses, freedom to race and tune in some awesome ways, none of which are compulsory, then but a 360 and Forza 3.

And finally, if you want to play the same game you did ten years ago, with more pixels and a few interiors. Buy a PS3 and GT5. Being as it, and KY seem to be stuck in some kind of automotive time-warp.

 

[JDMKING13]

Im not disappointed, not at all to be honest. GT5 is a hell of a game and experience. I have never thought about driving a kart, until playing with them in GT5. I have had a great experience In GT5, I play with a G27( FFB on 5) so I cannot speak for all. The first track I raced was Cape Ring with the Spoon CR-Z it was amazing the physics IMO are the best for a console never played any PC sims though I wish I could get a chance. The online is very fun also, my friend and I raced on SSR5 and had a blast. What was cool also my boy had to leave for 10 min so I just raced until he got back. When he got back I was going to quit and restart the room, but he told me that he joined and was in the room. That is cool that I don't have to quit and he can join the room while Im just hitting the track by myself.

As a whole I think GT5 offers a lot such as different Motorsports good career mode, great presentation decent customization weather effect, night and day transition, night racing etc. It does misses some things such as not changing the wheels on a standard car, not allowing gear tunning, no brakes upgrade shadows etc. but these are small misses IMO. they can easily patch these and it will make GT5 even better. Over time I think GT5 will get better, but the way it is now IMO is the best racing game on a console. Before you start saying that i'm a fanboy I own Forza3 and the new Xbox. The new Xbox box also had optical input so it improves the sounds. 👍 I just want to play good racing games. All Forza has on GT5 right now is Damage (mechanical) and customization. Forza is a fun game and I love to tune up my cars in FM3, and I agree with the folks that say if GT had Forza customization it would be the best, but after I customize my car and hit the track the physics and presentation just don't do it for me in FM3.

I'm having a great time with GT5 with my friends and family looking forward to new updates.

 

[BenzAMG]

@dan0h

I like GT5 better than Forza no matter what you say. So please stop trying to convince us Forza is better. It's mostly a matter of taste. Forza is better on many points I agree, but GT also has a lot of advantages over Forza.

You play Forza, I play GT5. I'm happy, your happy.

I'm not dissapointed with GT5 one bit. No game is perfect. I'm going to have fun with it for a long time and that's all I wanted.

 

[dan0h]

@dan0h

I like GT5 better than Forza no matter what you say. So please stop trying to convince us Forza is better. It's mostly a matter of taste. Forza is better on many points I agree, but GT also has a lot of advantages over Forza.

You play Forza, I play GT5. I'm happy, your happy.

I'm not dissapointed with GT5 one bit. No game is perfect. I'm going to have fun with it for a long time and that's all I wanted.

And I am glad that you are happy with it I hope that you enjoy GT5 and that it is everything that you have hoped (and aged) for.

My post is merely a word from the converted (lest we forget that I am an ex-PS fanboy) ... don't sit on the fence being angry with GT5, there is an alternative that you might well like more...

 

[VBR]

I'm very disappointed with GT5 too, mainly with the dumbed down physics model. When they said that the GT Academy 2010 demo was a showcase of GT5's physics I was delighted as they felt more realistic than Prologues, albeit with a little less grip than reality. The physics have been getting better every game since GT3 & what we got now seems like a watered down version of the TT demo. I think they did it to appeal to the mass market, but there was no reasion too if they just stuck to the excellent Pro/Standard idea they introduced in Prologue.

I agree with most of the statements in this thread about the various disappointing things in GT5. I am in fact so unimpressed with GT5 that I don't even wanna play it anymore, there is just no joy for me in the handling department regarding feel & realism. I have left the forum staff over at GT Drivers & won't be organising any race events again either.



I've just bought a new graphics card for my pc & am gonna try iRacing, after all that is a proper "Motor Racing" simulator.

 

[HAL20XX]

if you want to play a driving simulator then play GT5 if you want to play a game where you can swap a twin turbo corvette motor into a chevy aveo and DO A TOP SPEED OF LIKE 240+ then you can play the arcade game Forza3 nuf said

You're right. Instead you can tune your ECU on a Chevelle, run nitrous in a road race (GT4), use other cars as a buffer to get through a turn, and unlock mad tight vinyls - er, damage.

See what I did there? They're both good games, they just do things differently.

 

[dan0h]

...I have left the forum staff over at GT Drivers & won't be organising any race events again either...


I've just bought a new graphics card for my pc & am gonna try iRacing, after all that is a proper simulator.

That speaks volumes to me, from a clearly seasoned and experienced racer. Good luck with iRacing, it is amazing.

 

[dan0h]

You're right. Instead you can tune your ECU on a Chevelle, run nitrous in a road race (GT4), use other cars as a buffer to get through a turn, and unlock mad tight vinyls - er, damage.

See what I did there? They're both good games, they just do things differently.

Well said!

 

[944FTW]

You're right. Instead you can tune your ECU on a Chevelle, run nitrous in a road race (GT4), use other cars as a buffer to get through a turn, and unlock mad tight vinyls - er, damage.

See what I did there? They're both good games, they just do things differently.

Exactly my point.

 

[Spagetti69]

Don't forget rubber banding too.

 

[Driver46]

Im not disappointed, not at all to be honest. GT5 is a hell of a game and experience. I have never thought about driving a kart, until playing with them in GT5. I have had a great experience In GT5, I play with a G27( FFB on 5) so I cannot speak for all. The first track I raced was Cape Ring with the Spoon CR-Z it was amazing the physics IMO are the best for a console never played any PC sims though I wish I could get a chance. The online is very fun also, my friend and I raced on SSR5 and had a blast. What was cool also my boy had to leave for 10 min so I just raced until he got back. When he got back I was going to quit and restart the room, but he told me that he joined and was in the room. That is cool that I don't have to quit and he can join the room while Im just hitting the track by myself.

As a whole I think GT5 offers a lot such as different Motorsports good career mode, great presentation decent customization weather effect, night and day transition, night racing etc. It does misses some things such as not changing the wheels on a standard car, not allowing gear tunning, no brakes upgrade shadows etc. but these are small misses IMO. they can easily patch these and it will make GT5 even better. Over time I think GT5 will get better, but the way it is now IMO is the best racing game on a console. Before you start saying that i'm a fanboy I own Forza3 and the new Xbox. The new Xbox box also had optical input so it improves the sounds. 👍 I just want to play good racing games. All Forza has on GT5 right now is Damage (mechanical) and customization. Forza is a fun game and I love to tune up my cars in FM3, and I agree with the folks that say if GT had Forza customization it would be the best, but after I customize my car and hit the track the physics and presentation just don't do it for me in FM3.

I'm having a great time with GT5 with my friends and family looking forward to new updates.

AMEN, brother

 

[VBR]

I'm very disappointed with GT5 too, mainly with the dumbed down physics model. When they said that the GT Academy 2010 demo was a showcase of GT5's physics I was delighted as they felt more realistic than Prologues, albeit with a little less grip than reality. The physics have been getting better every game since GT3 & what we got now seems like a watered down version of the TT demo. I think they did it to appeal to the mass market, but there was no reasion too if they just stuck to the excellent Pro/Standard idea they introduced in Prologue.

I agree with most of the statements in this thread about the various disappointing things in GT5. I am in fact so unimpressed with GT5 that I don't even wanna play it anymore, there is just no joy for me in the handling department regarding feel & realism. I have left the forum staff over at GT Drivers & won't be organising any race events again either.



I've just bought a new graphics card for my pc & am gonna try iRacing, after all that is a proper "Motor Racing" simulator.

That speaks volumes to me, from a clearly seasoned and experienced racer. Good luck with iRacing, it is amazing.

Thanks. I played Prologue since 2008 & online since early 2009, I organised most of the race events on GT Drivers for over a year, we used to race 6 nights a week plus TT's, I'm gonna miss those guys they're a great bunch of lads. I came 58th in the UK GT Academy 2010 which I was happy enough with, after dropping out of the top 250 I bought a race tutorial book applied the things I leanred & worked my way back up. That in itself is a testament to the realism of that physics model, it also helped me get faster in Prologue, although applying what I've leaned doesn't seem to have much effect in GT5.

I also drove a few race cars at a track day with no rev or speed limits & was encouraged to push them to the max, so I know what the reality of that feels like & GT5 by comparison has way too much grip & is generally too tame & dumbed down.

Polyphony Digital, if you're listening: please bring back Pro & Standard physics with Pro being the GT Academy 2010 Time Trial physics model & the current one as Standard.

Wishful thinking I know, but I had to say it.

 

[Le Mans 88]

Amen. And that is what is so unforgivable.

GT4 was good for it's time but is leagues behind GT5 in every area that matters for a simulation.

PD chose to focus on the core simulation, T10 place more emphasis on the game structure and tuning/upgrades.

 

[tozana]

To answer the original posters inquiry, I don't think it's possible to create any game that will meet ALL the expectations after a 6 year wait. So, am I disappointed? There are aspects of the game that have disappointed me, but there is so much of the game that meets or exceeds my expectations.

I have been racing for 4 days straight, neglecting my family, and putting all other responsibilities aside, I smell and am working on a full facial beard. If this game was mediocre, I don't think it would have captivated my attention the way it has. It is reminiscent of GT3 with the flare of the PS3 technology. Haven't tried any of the online racing yet, as I need to hone in my skills first, but so far, so good for me.

Lol!!! Great! I was lucky I was sick last weekend; I had a good excuse to play the whole Sunday and neglect the rest of the lot. Come Monday, I still had fever and a headache - but played GT5 furiously. Today I really had no excuse - so I went to work. Can't wait for tonight, because tomorrow will be holiday here in Portugal.

 

[Mainspring]

want me to "come to the dark side"? tell you what...

makers of Forza need to spend more time tweaking the physics and feel rather the glitz it up with features I'm never going to use.

the driving experience is what I'm after. GT nails this better then Forza.

day that T10 gets that right I might give it a go. til then, no dice.

Forza offers all but the thing I cherish the most...

driving/racing cars that exist in real life, with physics/feel as close as possible to real life for a console game.


*please read in that I did not say it's a bad game or anything. just not what I'm looking for and have no interest in for the said reason.

 

[Spagetti69]

Physics are ok in GT.
Collision physics are way off though. Seems magnetised.
Must be showing some flaws in it's physics model.

Oh and rubber banding.

 

[MowTin]

I am so loving this thread. Its the most satisfying read I've had in ages ... why? Read on dear friends...

I quite understand the defence of Gran Turismo 5, and the poor PS3 - I really do. If I'd spent the best part of $400 on the console for GT5, I'd not want to admit I was wrong either. I'd defend it, and I'd certainly display the exact kind of bitterness and resent that a large number of people here are showing - of course these people are angry and resentful, they've just been given the run around, by what could be one of the best hype-for-your-cash exercises in gaming history.

Thankfully, I waited (only just though, they nearly got me hooked with their media hype) and now, oh my, I haven't laughed so much in my entire life. No wonder the poor PS fanboys are stinging. Ironic really that the man responsible for such a game has initials like KY, when no amount of KY could possibly eliminate the sting of what has been shoved up peoples chuffs, dressed as the "Real Driving Simulator". Everyone that has played it, knows the faults, some choose to admit them, some choose to ignore them - whatever your persuasion in this area - there is a better way...

Ladies and Gentlemen, the door to the Forza lounge is open, you only have to step through it (and stop being so stubborn, we (Forza players, most of whom are actually ex-GT fanboys anyway) don't all like it for a joke, or because MS said we should - its because its genuinely a better game, with more freedom and tuning options to die for) and sample the joy, its ok, we won't hold it against you. We'll merely be glad that, just like I did years ago when I abandon GT4 and moved to Forza 2, that you'd made the step towards something not perfect certainly (hey, even Forza 3 has its issues) but far superior.

Nobody will force you to put the V12 from the LP640 into your Gallardo, or make your Dodge Viper(s) 4WD, or make you stick various other VW engines into your Mk1 Golf to turn it into the car it always should have been, we won't "force" you no. But, know that should you want to - you "can" do such things, for entertainment, for an experiment, or just for the sheer hell of it. Why? Because in our world, the gamer has freedom, and a huge stack of events (100 hours+) in which to exercise it. Personally, I like the Chevrolet Aveo with RWD and a Corvette LS1 V8 in it. Dangerous as it is.

Come to the dark side, not only do we have cookies, but we have visual tyre flex, fantastically bonkers tuning options, and a paint shop that you can use freely, to genuinely make your cars ... your own.

Nobody used to hate Microsoft, and for that matter, the Xbox more than me. But the time has come to realise, that actually - many millions of people aren't wrong. I was.

Do you actually own both a PS3 and an Xbox? Do you have two wheels? Well, I do and you're talking a lot of nonsense.

I'm not a GT5 fanboy. I never played GT1, GT2, GT3 nor GT4. I never owned a PS2. I owned an xbox before I bought a PS3.

The actual driving is much better in GT5. And as a game I'm enjoying GT5 more than I did the boring FM3 seasons.

If you have no problem with all the hidden driving aids in FM3 then please return to your vinyl editor and leave us alone.

 

[vsaber]

.......

I also drove a few race cars at a track day with no rev or speed limits & was encouraged to push them to the max, so I know what the reality of that feels like & GT5 by comparison has way too much grip & is generally too tame & dumbed down.

Polyphony Digital, if you're listening: please bring back Pro & Standard physics with Pro being the GT Academy 2010 Time Trial physics model & the current one as Standard.

Wishful thinking I know, but I had to say it.

and to think that some people are already complaining at how hard it is to drive some cars in the game right now, some even say that it's a glitch...
Lol, still even though I'm not a very good GT player, I certainly don't mind having the option of a Pro simulation mode in the future

 

[Cory Gillmore]

Chassis rigidity diminishes the moment you drive it out of a garage but you don't need to fix it until you've covered thousands of miles.

You don't need to fix it until it starts to affect the handling of the car. Which is only after a few races man. You can check the price of it after every single race and it goes up every time and is at the full price after 3-4 races. The cars' handling is also diminished after 3-4 races. If it doesn't need to be done for thousands of miles then it shouldn't let you do it and it shouldn't affect the handling so badly.

 

[Fotoalex]

Hmm,does anybody can see Bugatti at the dealer store? Cause I can't. If PD so loving cars as me,why I can't testdrive LAMBO or FERRARI before I buy it,instead of stupid DEMO,with the same track for every car??? And if I have an exotic or super car,why I cant start it up,Idle it and listen a sound of engine in my garage? There is little demo ,but it's not enough.. For this amount of time in development I would like to admire my cars visually and hear it as if it was in my real garage. Where is all those definitons with real cars (remember pictures taken before release-dash view,cockpit view,rear pipes and etc.??) Over 1000 cars? What a joke! Even half of it is enough! Who will drive Fiat 500 on a track? Yes It's fun, but this is a real driving sim,you have to race! VW bus on a Top Gear track?! Don't get it,just cannot get it. In other case I could simrace with Iracing or Rfactor-much better choice.. Mode a cars- I have Forza 3 for it.Nice damage - Grid and Dirt made it cool. So, where is GT5?? This release supposed to be more shiny and little bit special..And this AI!!! My maaan!! Don't regret to spend 99 bucks for my CE,but will see forward to try Forza 4..Hate to see upset feedbacks!

 

[Sselecta]

GT4 was good for it's time but is leagues behind GT5 in every area that matters for a simulation.

Surely, and I agree, but putting emphasis only on the simulation won't make GT5 better. There are plenty of more things that are of importance too.

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

So let me ask a serious question.

Is the King dead?

no its just just his 1st stab at a game this generation

 

[RacerPaul]

Also I think they should have given special cars as rewards, not just some car you can buy used...

+1 👍 imo, all prize cars should be unbuyable and premium

 

[Perfectionist]

After years of hype it's obvious that people feel disappointed. Expectations grew larger than PD could deliver and General Hype just won. He always does. For me the game isn't a disappointment at all. Actually it's a nice surprise as I never played GT before (only Forza)and after the nearly perfect FM3 the only thing I expected from GT5 was more realistic driving physics. I'm not an expert here like you guys so can't say for sure which one is more realistic but GT5 feels much more difficult with all aids off. Maybe that means something...

Still I completely understand the disappointment of long time GT-fans. Reusing old content, inconsistent quality, not much improvement from GT4, really bad AI, short career mode etc. We can just hope PD hits the spot in GT6 (for the vets). Until then, I'm going back driving my newly tuned ZR1!

 

[Tommy_861]

You don't need to fix it until it starts to affect the handling of the car. Which is only after a few races man. You can check the price of it after every single race and it goes up every time and is at the full price after 3-4 races. The cars' handling is also diminished after 3-4 races. If it doesn't need to be done for thousands of miles then it shouldn't let you do it and it shouldn't affect the handling so badly.

Are you sure about that? Many others here thought the same and then realized its always approximately half the price of the car. Its possible you are just getting tired or losing concentration after 3 to 4 races in a row (you would be surprised, trust me). I don't think the chassis craps out that fast, thats definitely NOT realistic. I wish we could get some more info from the horses mouth on this.

 

[JediRage]

I'm happy with the game and if there's a game I'm hell bent on buying before its release I don't bother too much with the reviews and stuff. Did the same with the 2008 Prince of Persia and enjoyed it too.

However, so far, the only thing I'm disappointed with is the online. It's too big of a hassle to get into a race or create a race (I don't even get the power to change settings WTH?) I'm not able to create a private lobby. It won't let me into friends' lobbies because of 'network incompatibility' whatever that might mean.

As long as the online is not suited to pick up and play, it won't be enjoyable for the majority of players. In four days I haven't been able to participate in one serious race whatsoever. It's either all about being rear ended by maniacs or competing with Jeff Gordons and other top HP race cars.

I haven't had problems with online in FIFA 10, Modern Warfare 1&2, Uncharted 2 etc. but GT5 needs the online to be streamlined. I don't want to wait half an hour to get into a online race and nor do I see the need to upgrade my connection to 1 gbps.

EDIT: Oh and I'd just like to say, GT4 bored me (played it on the PS3). I was introduced to GT in the new generation console era and the graphics pale in comparison to Prologue and GT5. I'd always prefer GT5 to GT4 in spite of the wave of nostalgia in this thread and elsewhere. Before GT5's release, the general consensus was that GT4 was the weakest in the series?

 

[warpspeed2slow]

You don't need to fix it until it starts to affect the handling of the car. Which is only after a few races man. You can check the price of it after every single race and it goes up every time and is at the full price after 3-4 races. The cars' handling is also diminished after 3-4 races. If it doesn't need to be done for thousands of miles then it shouldn't let you do it and it shouldn't affect the handling so badly.

Does anyone know more about this because it is a big deal if true.

 

[warpspeed2slow]

Alright guys get ready for a serious mental journey into how I think GT5 became what it is.

To start, I want to like GT5 more but I just think it should of been epic. This is not a epic game, it is a racing game with decent graphics. I think the reason is because Kaz wanted to make GT5 like GTPSP and did not work on anything but the physics, car models and maybe some of the special events. This fits in with the idea that he really wanted to make a encyclopedia of cars you can drive, game.

What happened between Kaz and Sony can't be good and I have a feeling that it is Sony that made Kaz salvage a real GT type of game after the bad press and reviews of GTPSP. That is why it seems rushed and unfinished as much of what seems recycled in the game, like all the events were just pulled straight from GT4. They started working on this game we are playing after GTPSP(other than the models and physics) in my opinion and that is why it feels rushed and unfocused.

If I am right then GT6 will not be anything like what we are expecting and Kaz's role would be different, which I think has already happened to some extent as the whole missed the deadline by 3 days thing was very weird and Sony hung Kaz out to dry.

 

[ruf-ctr2]

.....
Still I completely understand the disappointment of long time GT-fans. Reusing old content, inconsistent quality, not much improvement from GT4, really bad AI etc. We can just hope PD hits the spot in GT6 (for the vets). Until then, I'm going back driving my newly tuned ZR1!

Not only reusing old content - taking a lot of good things out of old content (eg. the qualifying, variations of race events, different price cars for competitions and winning them every time you race the competition and not only once.) GT3 and GT4 were much more fun then GT5 is! An honestly speaking in a whole I liked GT1 best. In GT2 they started "overdoing" things too much cars (also 10.000 different Sylines and such things), the addition of rally was not really necessary to the series as well...
In GT 3 and 4 they already had this stupid 30hp cars in it which are not at all fun to drive - it is a RACE game so I do not want to do stupid Truck/Pickup races und Races with 20hp cars.
GT5 is just overloaded with a lot of stuff but nothing seems really finished - like a big puzzle that doesn't fit together.


Was also is very disappointing - PD promises us things they do not fulfil - AI was a topic since first GT. Since GT2 PD promises a new an revolutionary AI system - but what has been changed nothing !!

 

[CTznOfTime]

Im not disappointed, not at all to be honest. GT5 is a hell of a game and experience. I have never thought about driving a kart, until playing with them in GT5. I have had a great experience In GT5, I play with a G27( FFB on 5) so I cannot speak for all. The first track I raced was Cape Ring with the Spoon CR-Z it was amazing the physics IMO are the best for a console never played any PC sims though I wish I could get a chance. The online is very fun also, my friend and I raced on SSR5 and had a blast. What was cool also my boy had to leave for 10 min so I just raced until he got back. When he got back I was going to quit and restart the room, but he told me that he joined and was in the room. That is cool that I don't have to quit and he can join the room while Im just hitting the track by myself.

As a whole I think GT5 offers a lot such as different Motorsports good career mode, great presentation decent customization weather effect, night and day transition, night racing etc. It does misses some things such as not changing the wheels on a standard car, not allowing gear tunning, no brakes upgrade shadows etc. but these are small misses IMO. they can easily patch these and it will make GT5 even better. Over time I think GT5 will get better, but the way it is now IMO is the best racing game on a console. Before you start saying that i'm a fanboy I own Forza3 and the new Xbox. The new Xbox box also had optical input so it improves the sounds. 👍 I just want to play good racing games. All Forza has on GT5 right now is Damage (mechanical) and customization. Forza is a fun game and I love to tune up my cars in FM3, and I agree with the folks that say if GT had Forza customization it would be the best, but after I customize my car and hit the track the physics and presentation just don't do it for me in FM3.

I'm having a great time with GT5 with my friends and family looking forward to new updates.

👍 Love your objectivity!!! 👍 👍 👍 👍


But seems like Autoblog didn't quite appreciate the sum of all GT's faults/lacks:
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/11/30/gran-turismo-5-review/#continued

And i can see how/why the general public out there would think the same...
Sadly this game is not for everyone... because not everyone is patient enough or understanding enough...

I for one, am enjoying this game tremendously! 👍 YUP! LOVE IT! despite all the short coming! It is not the Bliss we have been expecting, but Kaz is still working on it, better and more arduously than anyone out there. The Closest to Bliss we have ever gotten, it will be there next time ... hopefully. Can't blame the man for trying can you?