Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?
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After reading some of the reviews and opinions expressing disappointment with GT5, I was determined to greet its arrival with an open mind... but probably erring on the side of loving it rather than hating, as some seemed to. I waited until Xmas to get it and it was with due anticipation I loaded it up for the first run.
On the whole I was not disappointed initially - the physics, as expected, are superb and the beauty of the premium models is breathtaking, particularly in photo-mode. But the irritation has grown to an almost painful degree the more I have played and that has never been something I could've claimed with previous GT games all the way back to the first one.
The shadows are the first thing that began to irritate, for obvious reasons. Were they an after-thought? It seems ridiculous to spend so much time and effort on the premium model cars only for the crappy shadow effect to ruin much of that in a race replay. Too much for the PS3 to handle? Put less damned cars on the track then. It never bothered me that there were only 6 cars in a race in GT4 - only the first 2 or 3 are important anyway, either in a race or a replay.
There's an old saying "If it aint broke, don't break it" PD should've heeded that when embarking on GT5 and a simple HD GT4 with online woud've done for most of us I reckon.
Next, you guessed it, Standard Cars. Some of them are ok, admittedly. Even the Veyron isn't too bad. But the direct ports from GT4 without even upgraded textures...? Who the hell thought that was a good idea? Totally unacceptable in my view and such visual blights should not have been included at all. Certainly not simply to boast "2000 cars"...
I realise much of this will have been said in one form or another but I've only just lost patience with GT5's let-downs and the rant is a necessary catharsis. My apologies.
I was prepared to defend GT5 against the attack regarding its game potential but I have to now admit, as a driving game, its next to pointless... Bear with me now, I'm not saying the driving experience is bad, just its playability as a game. All this buying and winning your "dream" car, tuning it up etc... Pointless unless you are lucky enough to have a good race with it online, in which case you never get to admire the thing in action since online has no replays.
In A-spec there are not enough races to choose from, and those that are there you can win with your eyes shut almost, even the ones with Le Mans cars (except Formula GT, which looks crap anyway), so your tuned dream car is still pointless.
So I tried Arcade mode. GT4 used to give you a good race in arcade mode on pro. Picked my slightly tuned DB9, 7 laps Daytona Road, Pro mode, won by over a minute and a half. Great - Arcade mode also pointless.
Endurance races...? Ok up to the 1000km Suzuka (at a push) but yeah, I really want to sit here for 9 hours (or 24 hours) on my back-side, with no competition from the AI, a pitifully small prize relative to the effort required, and a pointless prize car I'd already bought weeks ago.
B-spec mode... Hmmm....
No comment.
Probably best that way, don't you think?
So what has GT5 got going for it that GT4 didn't have? Online racing (with no replays and foul-mouthed crap-heads with microphones and no driving skills) and HD graphics (which are ruined by the ridiculously awful shadows)
That's right, it has the Red Bull X2010 and the Sebastian Vettel challenge. Cmon folks, destroy your expensive steering wheel trying to beat an F1 driver in a car that doesn't exist (nor will ever exist). Or you can waste your days grinding away at B-spec mode to win one. And if you're very bored, you can grind all the way up to level 40 just to spend 20,000,000 credits on a coloured one too.
If that kind of speed doesn't suit you, you could always try the Top Gear TT micro-bus challenge (Yay!).
Or rediscover your childhood with matchbox cars styled solid plastic tyres in the Top Gear Lotus Elise challenge.
Or there's 3d graphics. (Yawn.... yeah I want to play with glasses on and suffer from migranes on a regular basis)
Now I'm finding myself wondering where it all went wrong. Phrases that have become all too common and easily thrown are springing un-bidden to my tongue:
"So near and yet so far"
"A great idea, poorly executed"
Come on PD, we did our time. We waited through years of promises and delays, We even spent good money on being drip fed by GT5 Prologue while we waited and wondered. You do realise Prologue looked better, don't you?
Now I'm left wondering whether you're going to fix the mess or just leave us hanging while you milk the good name of GT until the next in the series.
Yeah, I think I'm disappointed now, a fact that makes me sad to admit.
On the whole I was not disappointed initially - the physics, as expected, are superb and the beauty of the premium models is breathtaking, particularly in photo-mode. But the irritation has grown to an almost painful degree the more I have played and that has never been something I could've claimed with previous GT games all the way back to the first one.
The shadows are the first thing that began to irritate, for obvious reasons. Were they an after-thought? It seems ridiculous to spend so much time and effort on the premium model cars only for the crappy shadow effect to ruin much of that in a race replay. Too much for the PS3 to handle? Put less damned cars on the track then. It never bothered me that there were only 6 cars in a race in GT4 - only the first 2 or 3 are important anyway, either in a race or a replay.
There's an old saying "If it aint broke, don't break it" PD should've heeded that when embarking on GT5 and a simple HD GT4 with online woud've done for most of us I reckon.
Next, you guessed it, Standard Cars. Some of them are ok, admittedly. Even the Veyron isn't too bad. But the direct ports from GT4 without even upgraded textures...? Who the hell thought that was a good idea? Totally unacceptable in my view and such visual blights should not have been included at all. Certainly not simply to boast "2000 cars"...
I realise much of this will have been said in one form or another but I've only just lost patience with GT5's let-downs and the rant is a necessary catharsis. My apologies.
I was prepared to defend GT5 against the attack regarding its game potential but I have to now admit, as a driving game, its next to pointless... Bear with me now, I'm not saying the driving experience is bad, just its playability as a game. All this buying and winning your "dream" car, tuning it up etc... Pointless unless you are lucky enough to have a good race with it online, in which case you never get to admire the thing in action since online has no replays.
In A-spec there are not enough races to choose from, and those that are there you can win with your eyes shut almost, even the ones with Le Mans cars (except Formula GT, which looks crap anyway), so your tuned dream car is still pointless.
So I tried Arcade mode. GT4 used to give you a good race in arcade mode on pro. Picked my slightly tuned DB9, 7 laps Daytona Road, Pro mode, won by over a minute and a half. Great - Arcade mode also pointless.
Endurance races...? Ok up to the 1000km Suzuka (at a push) but yeah, I really want to sit here for 9 hours (or 24 hours) on my back-side, with no competition from the AI, a pitifully small prize relative to the effort required, and a pointless prize car I'd already bought weeks ago.
B-spec mode... Hmmm....
No comment.
Probably best that way, don't you think?
So what has GT5 got going for it that GT4 didn't have? Online racing (with no replays and foul-mouthed crap-heads with microphones and no driving skills) and HD graphics (which are ruined by the ridiculously awful shadows)
That's right, it has the Red Bull X2010 and the Sebastian Vettel challenge. Cmon folks, destroy your expensive steering wheel trying to beat an F1 driver in a car that doesn't exist (nor will ever exist). Or you can waste your days grinding away at B-spec mode to win one. And if you're very bored, you can grind all the way up to level 40 just to spend 20,000,000 credits on a coloured one too.
If that kind of speed doesn't suit you, you could always try the Top Gear TT micro-bus challenge (Yay!).
Or rediscover your childhood with matchbox cars styled solid plastic tyres in the Top Gear Lotus Elise challenge.
Or there's 3d graphics. (Yawn.... yeah I want to play with glasses on and suffer from migranes on a regular basis)
Now I'm finding myself wondering where it all went wrong. Phrases that have become all too common and easily thrown are springing un-bidden to my tongue:
"So near and yet so far"
"A great idea, poorly executed"
Come on PD, we did our time. We waited through years of promises and delays, We even spent good money on being drip fed by GT5 Prologue while we waited and wondered. You do realise Prologue looked better, don't you?
Now I'm left wondering whether you're going to fix the mess or just leave us hanging while you milk the good name of GT until the next in the series.
Yeah, I think I'm disappointed now, a fact that makes me sad to admit.
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the Interceptor
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I don't want to quite your whole post, so let me just say that I am exactly where you are. I was a very loyal fan of Gran Turismo from the very beginning, and I have often defended the game, more than once way beyond the facts if I'm honest.
But that is over since I started playing GT5. They dropped the ball with this one, and I am honestly considering not buying GT6. At least I will wait and sample whether it contains the same amount of faults, inconsistencies and bad decisions. If so, I will have to get my share of driving elsewhere.
But that is over since I started playing GT5. They dropped the ball with this one, and I am honestly considering not buying GT6. At least I will wait and sample whether it contains the same amount of faults, inconsistencies and bad decisions. If so, I will have to get my share of driving elsewhere.
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Mysterious R
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Absolutely love coming to a GT5 fan site and hearing nothing but bitching from all these new people that weren't here before release. Forget this place, I think it's time to move on to real driving fun since there is none in GT5 right..Enjoy your virtual lives kids and kids alike.
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Yeah I'll just jump in my Mclaren F1 and go for a spin around the block, then take the Veyron down to the shops to pick up some milk and go for an afternoon cruise through the mountains in the F40.
The point is, we play GT because we love cars. Cars that most of us will never get to drive in real life. Enjoy your virtual lives kids? Get over yourself mate.
The reason everyone is so disappointed is because GT is as close as we will ever get to experience these cars. So when PD start cutting corners to make way for B-spec and other gimmicky features, it detracts from the driving experience and we lose the closest thing we had to actually driving these cars.
I, like many, was here defending GT5 well before it was released but the simple fact is PD did a terrible job
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You should try being someone who was here the whole time,years before launch and constantly told that all the negatives you see shaping up are just your negativity and why don't you just leave then? Only to then be told after launch you are only dissapointed because you had stupidly high expectations and should have expected these obvious and unavoidable flaws...
Yeah it goes the other way, as much or more to be sure!
BTW there is a saying, the fans are the biggest critics.
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Destinkeys
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Five threads and less than 200 posts? And you are acting like a veteran? LOL.
How about going back, just to the beginning of THIS thread, let alone the many, many others, and count just how MANY of these critiques are posted by players of GT4. Then get over yourself.
The fans SHOULD be the biggest critics. Especially when let down so badly.
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Mysterious R
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Well then go to the real GT site and cry like a baby over there, this site is for people that enjoy it not look for reasons not to. Post count matters huh? OK in the next week i'll post a million posts and then i guess i'd be god having the most posts right. Better yet go ask EA when shift comes out to add a real physics engine then you'd be happy I guess. It's like the teeny boppers of GT.
Oh and troll huh, another term coined by these teeny boppers, funny thing is a troll was something that was green and lived under a bridge when I joined this site, now all these kids coming up with their fancy terms for what is better known as someone that lays out the truth clear and simple. Don't like it go elsewhere and play elsewhere, try xbox for fancy pink paint jobs and super fast blocky menu screens.
People seem to think PD 'had' to live up to each and everyones' personal standards, my thoughts on it would be if I was KY i'd tell you to go make your own game if you think it's so easy. Some people need to get off their high horses and realise Kaz made this game for his own personal pleasure in essence, everyone else just caught on that it was the best in its own time, that was then this is now, If you think you can do better now, go ahead.
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Who the hell are you (and I for that matter) to say who this site is for? You're just looking for a fight, so go chill out and if you don't like the content of these boards, maybe you'd be happier looking for another.
It's not your place to decide who says what on a public forum. That is for the mods to decide. Indeed, the purpose of a forum is for debating various sides of an issue and to pass along knowledge to other members. You are doing neither.
They sure got them.
Mysterious R
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Not liking the game is not an issue it's your own damn problem not something others need to help you justify because you have higher standards than others. I'm not looking for no fights, I come here looking for useful information which is mostly what it is here for, not what I stated first.
PS: forza has muscle cars, go play some soggy brick racing and be a part of their forums, you'll fit right in.
PS: forza has muscle cars, go play some soggy brick racing and be a part of their forums, you'll fit right in.
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And you are entirely incorrect there...
It seems the forum descriptions are gone but for many years the description of this forum was for discussion of news, rumors and speculation about GT5. It makes no ruling about whether it's in a positive or negative method.
It has been made quite clear this is not a positive only forum many times by the moderation and another thing that has been made clear many times is that only the moderators and the administration are allowed to decide who is acting appropriately and thus are welcome.
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Indeed. This thread is "Disappointed with GT5", and any and all complaints about the game are welcome in here. If you don't want to read them, please don't.
EDIT: I've handed out a few warnings. Any further digs at people will merit full infractions.
EDIT: I've handed out a few warnings. Any further digs at people will merit full infractions.
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the Interceptor
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I see this argument pop up everywhere, but if you honestly think about it, it doesn't hold any water, does it?
A real life example: let's say you go and buy a new car at a dealership. Within the first days, it becomes apparent that the car is very badly made and also misses a lot of features you were told it had in the brochure. So naturally you would visit the dealership once again to complain, but the salesman just says to you: "You go to your shed and build a better car on your own, then we'll talk.". Would you find that acceptable as an answer?
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Being new to this forum does not = being new to the GT games...
why would being new on a fan made forum, change how someone's opinion matters?
Sure, i joined this forum as GT5 came out, and i enjoy the forum, it's great.
But i still notice flaws in the game i'm a fan of, like the hideous models for standard cars, how we're not allowed to change rims on the standard cars, how the return of RM is only for about 17 cars out of 1000's in total.
I still think fondly of the game, the parst that work, works, though some parts you wish would work better, like the online portion.
Why does it keep booting people out of games at random? you join the game, go pick a car, go do some changes to the car, get on the track, free roam a bit while waiting for the race to start, poof, suddenly disconnected, and it was not the host kicking you.
This, happening in nearly EVERY game you join, gets a bit annoying to say the least.
why would being new on a fan made forum, change how someone's opinion matters?
Sure, i joined this forum as GT5 came out, and i enjoy the forum, it's great.
But i still notice flaws in the game i'm a fan of, like the hideous models for standard cars, how we're not allowed to change rims on the standard cars, how the return of RM is only for about 17 cars out of 1000's in total.
I still think fondly of the game, the parst that work, works, though some parts you wish would work better, like the online portion.
Why does it keep booting people out of games at random? you join the game, go pick a car, go do some changes to the car, get on the track, free roam a bit while waiting for the race to start, poof, suddenly disconnected, and it was not the host kicking you.
This, happening in nearly EVERY game you join, gets a bit annoying to say the least.
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The "true fans like all games in a series regardless of quality" bit is a load of nonsense. You know what amazing high-quality games I've seen that argument used to defend?
True fans are the ones who want the best for the series. True fans are not the ones who blindly defend a series regardless of the actual quality.
At least I don't have to look at those blocky menu screens for 30+ seconds whenever I want to do anything at all. I also like the implied feature envy that is depressingly common on these boards since about a year before GT5 came out.
I could spend an hour with GT5 and make it a substantially better game. Most of the things that GT5 does particularly poorly aren't hard to fix. PD just refuses to fix them, because a depressing amount of them were intentionally done.
This is patently untrue. Big name publishers don't dump $60+ million into personal pet projects. GT5 had standards to meet for the final product. Those standards include meeting/exceeding the quality of previous iterations, meeting/exceeding the quality of competing games, and meeting/exceeding the quality that the game's incessant hype stated would occur. GT5 does very little to meet any of them.
It is also completely ignoring the huge logical fallacy this statement directly leads to. Because you are essentially saying that you need to make a game to be able to criticize it, it also means that you need to make a game to be able to praise it. So I ask you, Mysterious R, where is your game?
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It's growing on me. GT games take me awhile to fully explore the game, and with all the updates, it's gonna be a long time before I fully make up my mind.
That being said, I don't regret dropping the extra cash on the CE. I've been a huge fan of the franchise, and bought my PS3 the day Prologue came out. Regardless of my satisfaction/disappointment, I'll still be spending countless hours doing what I love the most (other than having fun with the wife and daughter).
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I am glad forza is available and the better game because is shows PD that there is a new game in town and GT5 is no longer the king of driving sims on consoles.
Kaz has his head so far up his own a**e that he must think that the GT name will sell GT5 no matter what he puts out and GT5 proves this.
But I now know that I will be paying more attention towards the forza franchise from now on and GT6 will not be purchased on release day.
I purchased my PS3 for GT5 and I would happily sell it on if offered the right price for it.
Kaz has his head so far up his own a**e that he must think that the GT name will sell GT5 no matter what he puts out and GT5 proves this.
But I now know that I will be paying more attention towards the forza franchise from now on and GT6 will not be purchased on release day.
I purchased my PS3 for GT5 and I would happily sell it on if offered the right price for it.
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The grinding is the only thing I'm bored of. The seasonals make up for it somewhat, and I usually spend my time online nowadays.
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You spend years to release a game and it has this many flaws? It happens, but people get fired for doing such a crummy job. I think some SONY executives are pretty steamed at PD. heck, there's a Forza 4 coming out this year; they are already the more polished game. If they implement weather and night racing, I think I will have to say that they are THE racing console game.
R34EVO9
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Yea dude i buy cars from him all the time in forza and he was explaining to me how if gt had even forza 2 livery editor it would be sooooooo awesome..
He went into alot more details about how good it would've been but I don't really remember
It had something to do with the hi res and the way how the cars are model compared to forza
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If only i had xbox and Forza would support wider range of wheels and if only they hadn't mangled Nordschleife i might give that a try...
meh, In my opinion, GT5 didn't deliver what was promised...
This was my first go at trying console gaming. Purchased a G27, Playseat, etc.
head tracking was a joke at best.
3D was gimmicky.
Lack of support for the G27 sent me over the edge...
Ended up selling off everything and upgrading my PC to Sandy Bridge.
This was my first go at trying console gaming. Purchased a G27, Playseat, etc.
head tracking was a joke at best.
3D was gimmicky.
Lack of support for the G27 sent me over the edge...
Ended up selling off everything and upgrading my PC to Sandy Bridge.
