Is GT5 Dying?

[R0ssingt0n]

Yes and No. GT5 will never be dead unless GTPlanet mysteriously disappears, but i do think as a single player/offline game it has died (for me anyway) I havent done an offline race in months now, yet i play gt5 almost every day if i have the time.

 

[DonZonda]

5.000 polygons IIRC and GT5 Premium are 500.000(!!)) and if there wasn't 50 Mazdas and Civics that were identical bar the regional name.

Also in addition to this, what makes the game really unattractive to me somehow, is the point that you have those high detail premium cars, but on the track you can't enjoy them. The super strange chase view which is way too far away from the car and has a too narrow field of view and in addition what makes it even worse you can't spin the camera 360° degree around the car. I'm sure if this was different I'd be even spending hours of driving on the Nurb or La Sarthe to watch the Wheels spin and suspension work on the bumps. Because those details are great in GT5. And why are the cockpits modeled so awesome if you can just look left and right but not up and down. Those are small things, but are turn offs for me. Which keep me playing other games. The game mechanics in those ways are outdated. Physics and graphics are excellent.

 

[Peasantslayer]

In my honest opinion, GT5 is more dead than GT2, mainly because you now absolutely must have all the DLC to have just a tiny bit of fun online, which is the only fun part as the AI seems to have drawn it's license in a candy dispencer. B-Spec is good in the theory but making B-Spec events 2x longer than A-Spec is a big no-no. And you can't really use them for anything. And the cars. The lovely cars that are divided Premium/Standard. I wouldn't give a f-word had all cars had a reasonable cockpit and a fair bit of details, say around 50.000-100.000 polygons (Kaz said GT4 cars were 5.000 polygons IIRC and GT5 Premium are 500.000(!!)) and if there wasn't 50 Mazdas and Civics that were identical bar the regional name. Ferrari and Lamborghini coming to the series were good but we've dealt without them before. And most of the cars in GT5 can be driven in any other game. To compare to GT2, had we heard of RUF, Vector, Venturi, Tommikaria etc. if they weren't in GT2? No, because they were nowhere else to be found. What GT is missing is more equal-in-detail cars, more special/GT only cars, and the ability to not have to release DLC to keep the game alive. DLC basically does nothing but making a game feel less complete because then people start making even higher requests.

Rage over

All the little buttons in the interiors seem to modelled, I'm sure they could get away with a normal map and a few textured in shadows. It would probably look more realistic to, textured buttons with a bump map will look better than low poly octagonal buttons.

 

[counter345]

GT5 is dead for me because I no longer have any interest in the game (it's been a long time since it came out).

 

[amar212]

This is extremely personal and subjective subject IMO. You should have put the title differently, you should have asked "Is GT5 Dying For YOU?".

From what we can extrapolate from "gatherable" data, GT5 as a game is very far from dying. In fact, it is probably the "healthiest" console game in total (no matter the platform) if you take the following in concern:

- almost 2 years after release the game still gets regular functionality/options updates that further enhances either actual gameplay or game features (2.08 landing next Tuesday with pretty significant updates regarding actual physical-engine - clutch, tyres, suspensions and aerodynamic properties)

- in this year GT5 (will) got 3 new major releases, besides already existing *vanilla* releases (many versions, territory dependant) and *budget* Greatest Hits releases from 2011 (both NTSC/PAL). In 2012 GT5 got new "Spec II" release for Asia/JP, new "XL Edition" release for US and upcoming "Academy Edition" release for EU. We will agree how every of those releases brings new players in the picture, and upcoming bundle with the new PS3 Super Slim console (that should land later in 2012/early 2013), together with fact how cheaper PS3 (non-bundled) will certainly bring even more players at some point during the lifecycle of the game

- despite not being really *vast*, pretty constant flow of DLC-content is also significant in overall picture (and around every major DLC/update we constantly hear from either Kaz or regional producers how DLC will continue and how game ill be further expanded)

- there is very measurable way to see how GT5 is regularly played by dozens of thousands of players on weekly bases worldwide - and those are Time/Drift trials in Seasonal races. Please wait for the current batch of events to come to last day and then run them with 1-minute slower time than you could. When you register such time you will be rank way below 100.000 place on Leaderboards

- when you check Online Lobbies there are dozens and dozens lobbies open at every day and every time of day

- there is constant weekly flow of new Seasonal races, Time/Drift trials and Special Seasonal races, with new features (B-Spec races for instance) and constant enhancing presentation of format (PP-related awarding and introduction of different types of prize-tickets as rewards as latest)

- In 2012 the project of GTAcademy literally exploded world-wide, having run US, European, Asian and now Middle-East competitions, the special EU Academy Edition competition is incoming and there were almost million players registered during 2012 International Qualification - and it is absolutely related to GT5 at this point

- there are hundreds of fan-based competitions and such all over the world. I happen to run a small Croatian GT community and our members are currently competing with Italian and French communities which are not connected to GTPlanet regular competitions for instance, while every European country probably have its own communities who are playing the game regularly

From my point of view, I play GT5 pretty regularly and many of members of my community do to. We have constant weekend-gatherings (Friday/Saturday) through Private Lobby system for 2 years now and lobby often boosts up to 12 players on the peak of the evening, with full-lobbies when some DLC lands and everybody is eager to try out new cars/tracks

IMO, GT5 is very far from dying, and despite someone could stop play it from this reason or another, all objective and visible data regarding game clearly showcases how GT5 is one very healthy and prospect game from various perspectives.

 

[m8h3r]

In my opinion GT5 is as close to dead as possible. Ditch GTPlanet and I'd take it outside and put the poor fella down.

 

[Skuh]

Of course it's dying. It's two years old. That doesn't mean it's finished though. I play more now than ever and i bought the game at launch. Online there is less people, this is only natural after 2 years. Lots of people from here seem to play online though so it is by no means dead.

 

[CyKosis1973]

The game is what you make of it and there are plenty of people out there still making a lot of it. Few other games have the longevity that GT does. People rarely play a game for more than a year, partly due to the games being superseded, partly due to waning interest.

PDiddy are still updating the game, still releasing content and they're still providing weekly events. Once that stops and once there are no online lobbies left, and only then, will the game be dead. Suggesting something is dead to everyone, just because you've lost interest or are unable to make the most of it, is absurd...

{Cy}

 

[Conza]

It isn't close to death, but its closer than it should be.

In this Australian's opinion, I am sick of PD wasting time on the Academy that seems to be coming to New Zealand before us, as well as developing car 'skins' for existing cars, then charging us for it, so imo, ever since January this year, the game has been gathering dust - still got a long way til its completely dead though.

I mean woah, it started out up so high, and still has so much potential, that I'm still holding out hope that soon PD will snap to their senses, develop more DLC like they promised, by adding more cars and tracks, increasing their maintainence frequency of software updates as well as performance enhancements all the way until GT6.

If they do all of this, GT5 will still be dying, it'll just be at a far less rapid rate. If they don't do these things, I think its core audience will start playing other games more, and come back to their racing game less often, and treat it more like an arcade, pick up and have fun with it, then its full potential of a constantly evolving and growing racing simulator.

My only basis is my research through playing and enjoying the game up to lvl 40 in A-Spec, playing it once every month at a friend's place, and spending hundreds of hours in seasonal events. Oh and what I read in the articles here of course, plus user's responses.

 

[Peasantslayer]

I remember playing San Andreas Multiplayer on PC about 5 years ago, they thought that with GTA IV coming out in 2008 that it would surely die but it's still as popular as it was back then.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I have GT4 since release day, and I kept playing GT4 until 2011, even when I have GT5, the same thing will happen with GT5, I will keep playing it even after a year or 2 GT6 is in my hand. So , not dying at all for me.

 

[Vend1go]

Not at all... Why you are thinking that GT5 is dying? New DLC , New Updates and so on.
Online racing, clubs, leagues. In my opinion GT games never dies, there're guys that still plays gt1 and they love it.

 

[Samus]

Not at all... Why you are thinking that GT5 is dying? New DLC , New Updates and so on.
Online racing, clubs, leagues. In my opinion GT games never dies, there're guys that still plays gt1 and they love it. So if u get bored of real sim racing, go to your arcade forza Arcadesport.

Despite the clear warning in the first post you just had to go there, didn't you?

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Not at all... Why you are thinking that GT5 is dying? New DLC , New Updates and so on.
Online racing, clubs, leagues. In my opinion GT games never dies, there're guys that still plays gt1 and they love it. So if u get bored of real sim racing, go to your arcade forza Arcadesport.

Why do people post in threads without reading the OP first? It's not hard.

 

[zahirani]

Definitely a NO. PD support GT5 continuously for the past 2 years and I believed they will continue to do so in the future until the release of GT6.

Of course there are some players that are bored and they did not play GT5 any more, but as long as GTPlanet is exist, I am highly confident that there will be strong support from the community and the developer!

 

[thelvynau]

Not at all... Why you are thinking that GT5 is dying? New DLC , New Updates and so on.
Online racing, clubs, leagues. In my opinion GT games never dies, there're guys that still plays gt1 and they love it. So if u get bored of real sim racing, go to your arcade forza Arcadesport.

Good points the rules of the thread are clearly written.

 

[m8h3r]

Definitely a NO. PD support GT5 continuously for the past 2 years and I believed they will continue to do so in the future until the release of GT6.

Of course there are some players that are bored and they did not play GT5 any more, but as long as GTPlanet is exist, I am highly confident that there will be strong support from the community and the developer!

Good first post. Welcome to GTPlanet.

 

[Samus]

Well personally for me, it's been dead a long time. Except throwing it on to do some hotlapping when I'm bored there is nothing left to do in the game. The races/features are all done, online doesn't interest me greatly (especially considering it's quality) and none of the DLC is going to pique my interest.

 

[Vend1go]

OK sory, made my mistake.

 

[thelvynau]

Hi Simon just a question if pd went away from its typical dlc and offered a little variety would that get your interest going?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Well personally for me, it's been dead a long time. Except throwing it on to do some hotlapping when I'm bored there is nothing left to do in the game. The races/features are all done, online doesn't interest me greatly (especially considering it's quality) and none of the DLC is going to pique my interest.

You should join in some racing club like MCRC or VCRC organized by Watermelonpunch, fair, clean and mature racers, it might instill new spirit in playing online races.

 

[Samus]

Hi Simon just a question if pd went away from its typical dlc and offered a little variety would that get your interest going?

It would depend. 10 brand new cars similar to Forza probably wouldn't do much either because what am I going to do with them? I think the only DLC/update that would bring me back would include lots more single player options/races/events. Proper events, not those stupid chase the rabbit seasonals.

You should join in some racing club like MCRC or VCRC organized by Watermelonpunch, fair, clean and mature racers, it might instill new spirit in playing online races.

Again not something I do, I've tried joining leagues before and I just don't have the ability to play at specific times.

 

[thelvynau]

It would depend. 10 brand new cars similar to Forza probably wouldn't do much either because what am I going to do with them? I think the only DLC/update that would bring me back would include lots more single player options/races/events. Proper events, not those stupid chase the rabbit seasonals.

Again not something I do, I've tried joining leagues before and I just don't have the ability to play at specific times.

Fair enough I agree.

 

[slavssn]

In a word: no. To me, it's just getting better and better.

 

[Samus]

As talked about in I think one of the GT6 threads it really does depend what you want out of a game, any game. Some people are happy to fire up the game day after day, get in a car and drive some laps against braindead rabbit AI or just hotlap themselves. Other people like me need something 'to do', I need to be given specific things to do by the game to keep me interested.

Going off tangent a bit but here is one example for me. I've played Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 several times over. When I got the PS3 HD remake I've played through them even more times even though I know them by heart? Why? Because the developers, in the form of in game prizes and PSN trophies there is a motivation for me to go and play it again, find something new/do something new/harder.

I know getting trophies isn't the same thing as what I would like from GT to keep me going but hopefully you get my point. I need games to give me something to do.

 

[maxpontiac]

The game is selling about 20,000 copies per week, so the answer to PDI and Sony is no.

However, this thread might make it seem like it is since topics like this attract the unhappy individuals.

 

[Tired Tyres]

As talked about in I think one of the GT6 threads it really does depend what you want out of a game, any game. Some people are happy to fire up the game day after day, get in a car and drive some laps against braindead rabbit AI or just hotlap themselves. Other people like me need something 'to do', I need to be given specific things to do by the game to keep me interested.

Going off tangent a bit but here is one example for me. I've played Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 several times over. When I got the PS3 HD remake I've played through them even more times even though I know them by heart? Why? Because the developers, in the form of in game prizes and PSN trophies there is a motivation for me to go and play it again, find something new/do something new/harder.

I know getting trophies isn't the same thing as what I would like from GT to keep me going but hopefully you get my point. I need games to give me something to do.

Tried Arcade mode with the Arcade cars? This can produce some good races.

Practice races with no tuning and a two grade downgrade of tyres can also make for a reasonable race.

 

[Griffith500]

As talked about in I think one of the GT6 threads it really does depend what you want out of a game, any game. Some people are happy to fire up the game day after day, get in a car and drive some laps against braindead rabbit AI or just hotlap themselves. Other people like me need something 'to do', I need to be given specific things to do by the game to keep me interested.

Going off tangent a bit but here is one example for me. I've played Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 several times over. When I got the PS3 HD remake I've played through them even more times even though I know them by heart? Why? Because the developers, in the form of in game prizes and PSN trophies there is a motivation for me to go and play it again, find something new/do something new/harder.

I know getting trophies isn't the same thing as what I would like from GT to keep me going but hopefully you get my point. I need games to give me something to do.

So I guess games like GRiD, with their "narrative"-led experience, are more your sort of thing? I like that sort of thing from time to time, although I'm not fond of the half-brain-cell level Codies seem to aim those games at these days...
I'm not sure how much effort PD should put into a story mode, but at least a better, more varied and more structured career mode would be a great start.


Of course we're not going to see that for GT5. So I'll end by echoing what Simon says: It depends on what you're wanting from the game. I like playing with engine sounds, so (as far as car / racing games go) I'm only really playing LFS with my own sound mods, which is enough for me for now. If GT6 adds something along a similar line to that, then I'll be so very happy indeed.

 

[TurboProp]

It's on life support...see the weak seasonals and the academy disc release (in one part of the globe for goodness sake).

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

GT5 is not dead yet imo, but it will be done with probably by the next few months if PD decides to add 1 or 2 more dlc packs. After that though, PD will move on to building GT6 and GT5 will be dead; unless they still continue to update the game of course.