Is having SRF and/or racing line on 'noobish'?

[will-i-am]

I think more his point is not just beginners use them.


Im not near the fastest on the Nurb. Ill vouch for your time. I just bought 1 and did the tires and stage3 turbo. Went online room set to race for real, light damage, track grip set to real, no tire wear. Did a 1 lap race, standing start. No practice.


New Zonda r no oil (add turbo no tuning) / race softs
hp-802
wt-1070
pp-662
abs-1
time - 6:11.2.117--with slip up at the end, 1 lap no practice, standing start on cold tires.
Lost a couple second that i know of for sure. I didnt press to hard not knowing the car.

race 2 -6:07.438

cant really run anymore as the hp is increasing.

 

[smrtb0mb]

Why is "racing soft tires on sports cars" missing from the poll? (Seriously though, R/S tires make the game easier than SRF or the driving line do.)

 

[bluexterra]

mrkevans and Gik69 do an experiment - go to the Nascar special event and do the last race at the highest level without any driving aids at all. Don't say you've done it already, because there was a patch installed that makes it impossible to get anywhere near the main pack without driving aids on. Let me know how you make out.

 

[berty1979]

bluexterra
mrkevans and Gik69 do an experiment - go to the Nascar special event and do the last race at the highest level without any driving aids at all. Don't say you've done it already, because there was a patch installed that makes it impossible to get anywhere near the main pack without driving aids on. Let me know how you make out.

I just tried this the other day, best I could get was 4th. Which assist helps? I always thought the NASCARS were faster without?

 

[Undrgrndchemist]

I have always run SRF off and abs at 1. I kind of felt like others that it was cheating. However, recently the group I race with said to turn it on because they always use it. I did and all of a sudden I started winning or leading all the time. SRF makes a huge difference. If it was cheating, why would they include it in the game. I'm fine to run in rooms without it, but if it is available I'm using it.

 

[bluexterra]

I just tried this the other day, best I could get was 4th. Which assist helps? I always thought the NASCARS were faster without?

ABS - bump it up to 5 or 6 at least.
Also with the way the NASCAR's jump around I crank up the steering sensitivity so you can maintain a good drafting line.


I don't know why, but with ABS completely off the car slows down for that race and/or drafting is ineffective at the start. Which does seem contrary to everything I've done so far. For the license tests they recommend you turn everything off and you actually do better without them.

Do you have any other aids on?


I think for the majority of events/races it's actually better for you not to use assists, however with some events/cars the game is unrealistic or impossible without them. I think they built that in on purpose to get people to play with the assists to some degree.

 

[Pagey279]

Nice job! Was this free run, so lap 2. Or did you start a race? Standing start or rolling? No oil change right?

I had a one lap race, so standing start and yes it was online. But no oil change

 

[berty1979]

bluexterra
ABS - bump it up to 5 or 6 at least.
Also with the way the NASCAR's jump around I crank up the steering sensitivity so you can maintain a good drafting line.


I don't know why, but with ABS completely off the car slows down for that race and/or drafting is ineffective at the start. Which does seem contrary to everything I've done so far. For the license tests they recommend you turn everything off and you actually do better without them.

Do you have any other aids on?

I think for the majority of events/races it's actually better for you not to use assists, however with some events/cars the game is unrealistic or impossible without them. I think they built that in on purpose to get people to play with the assists to some degree.

I only used mild active steering (no other aids) for the NASCAR but I didnt get close after 5 attempts, always blocked at the last banking corner. (others 3 abreast).

 

[Corpsey]

No of course not, its a very valid point. Everyone on the same level means the best will win. Whats your point apart from using a very unusual word I havent heard for a long time? Were you trying to impress your buddies?

No I was tired and provided a very poor example :\ however, there's no real-world example I can give because the simple fact is that THERE IS NO REAL WORLD EQUIVALENT TO SRF. If you want to be mimicing more realistic conditions, the bottom line is that you should be playing with SRF off, Driving line off, in cockpit view with a steering wheel and pedals and track edge grip reduction set to real. Also, depending on the series there are limitations to the electronics that you're allowed to use - i.e. in Super GT you are not allowed to use ABS or TC (I think TC anyways). HOWEVER in GT5 if you are using a DS3.. using ABS off is kind of insane compared to using pedals.. that doesn't mean it's not possible though, as I've beat super GT races in this game with ABS off using a DS3.. as have many other I'd presume; it just takes practice. All I'm saying is that using SRF on while driving a fast car is almost like driving a car that doesn't have ABS or TC irl, and yet you're using it in the game... so sure go ahead and think you're good at driving the car but if someone handed you the keys to said car you'd not only potentially wreck the car because you push it too hard, but you're potentially also putting your life in danger. So those people can go ahead and use some mode that has no bearing to real life, just as long as they understand that there no such thing - like God or the easter bunny.

 

[Short Bus]

I only used mild active steering (no other aids) for the NASCAR but I didnt get close after 5 attempts, always blocked at the last banking corner. (others 3 abreast).

If you're talking about the Daytona challenge.... it took me at least 30 tries, if not 40, to beat that poorly thought out mess.

I cranked the ABS to 10 and it seemed to help, although I admit that this doesn't make sense and it may have all been in my head.

I'm convinced that winning this challenge comes down to dumb luck, and if you think this is bad (it is), wait until you run Daytona in the NASCAR league.... it's worse because you have to survive 10 laps before you roll the dice right before the finish line.

 

[Smuttysy]

Play the game however you want using what aids you want. Who cares if others think your a noob.

👍👍

I only use driving line for visual braking references, only sometimes though, as it can also tell you to brake unnecessarily too. I only ever use SRF online if the car's a particular pain in the proverbials, such as Yellowbird and some of the MR's, other than that I rarely use it at all.

So long as you're not a complete tw@ intentionally ram people off I don't think there should be any labelling. The only real noobs are those that "aim" their Veyrons and X'2, rather than "drive" them, they can all **** off!

 

[Short Bus]

👍👍

I only use driving line for visual braking references, only sometimes though, as it can also tell you to brake unnecessarily too.

I'm not anti-line, but if that's all you use it for I would recommend giving the game a try without it. The flashing number at the bottom, even if you're not looking directly at it, gives you more than enough of a clue to know when to start braking.

 

[berty1979]

Corpsey
No I was tired and provided a very poor example :\ however, there's no real-world example I can give because the simple fact is that THERE IS NO REAL WORLD EQUIVALENT TO SRF

I appreciate you are trying to help but I agree with this as your main point and the rest of your post. I also know this stuff already so aim your (helpful) answers at the OP please.

Short Bus
If you're talking about the Daytona challenge.... it took me at least 30 tries, if not 40, to beat that poorly thought out mess.

I cranked the ABS to 10 and it seemed to help, although I admit that this doesn't make sense and it may have all been in my head.

I'm convinced that winning this challenge comes down to dumb luck, and if you think this is bad (it is), wait until you run Daytona in the NASCAR league.... it's worse because you have to survive 10 laps before you roll the dice right before the finish line.

The challenge is annoying
ABS 10? Your right it does sound strange, ill give it a go though. Cheers.

 

[Spurgy 777]

I went to the Nascar special event but all aids werent allowed apart from active steering, so you cant switch SRF on anyway. Im going to have a go at the Zonda time too, see how I get on

 

[eran0004]

It depends. Generally, fast drivers that doesn't use SRF or racing line are better drivers than those who needs both to be fast. So in that sense it's more "noobish" (or rather less skilled) to use those aids. However, SRF can also be used as a realism setting, or a "can't be arsed" setting. For instance, an online room where everyone have SRF can be just as fun as a room without it, only less realistic. I don't consider that more "noobish", rather a deliberate choise to have some more "arcade style" racing where everyone have the benefit of improved grip.

The "can't be arsed" thing is something that I sometimes use for grinding seasonal events, when I don't really care about realism or in fact anything else than just getting more money as quickly and easy as possible. If there was an extra reward for having SRF off (say 10% increase reward?) I would not turn it on when grinding.

 

[Zach]

Yes to both. The people who use them normally cannot drive without them, and are thus labelled as children or noobs of the Gran Turismo world and rightly so.

Please restore TFC forum and I use them

seems like my driving is really adapted to my settings - Driving Line ON, SRF ON, Active Steering ON.

Maybe I need to reset my settings, i'd like a bit of a challenge to adapt to a new setup.

Prolly can't do without driving line tho.

 

[Anna+Reece]

I think both are, SRF more than Driving Line. Heck, PD even stated in the SRF description that it is for beginners.

 

[Short Bus]

mrkevans and Gik69 do an experiment - go to the Nascar special event and do the last race at the highest level without any driving aids at all. Don't say you've done it already, because there was a patch installed that makes it impossible to get anywhere near the main pack without driving aids on. Let me know how you make out.

It's impossible because you literally can't do that race with the driver aids turned off.

The reason it's difficult to keep up is because the stability control, which is locked to the "on" position can't be switched off and it forces you to slow down drastically through the turns.

 

[playnthru]

mrkevans and Gik69 do an experiment - go to the Nascar special event and do the last race at the highest level without any driving aids at all. Don't say you've done it already, because there was a patch installed that makes it impossible to get anywhere near the main pack without driving aids on. Let me know how you make out.

Thats your opinion, not truth. It can and has been done without aids (since patches). 👍
other than forced SRF
Follow Jimmy Johnson and stay in the draft. You'll get it, keep trying.

 

[GReeK_W1ZaRd]

Not really. Not all of us where born drivers, and many dont have enough free time to dedicate to GT and learn how to drive all pro-style. When I create a lobby for online racing, all assists are on to suit everyone's level.

 

[bluexterra]

Thats your opinion, not truth. It can and has been done without aids (since patches). 👍
other than forced SRF
Follow Jimmy Johnson and stay in the draft. You'll get it, keep trying.

I'm not talking about SRF, I'm talking about ABS being completely OFF (not on 1) as well as every other type of aid being completely turned off. By turning ABS/other aids completely off the slipstream effect does not work as well no matter how well you stay locked in behind Jimmy Johnson's rear bumper. You just fade back like the slipstream is gone. Why would ABS determine how well you are able to draft off a car in front of you? Try it yourself. I'm not asking you to take my word for it. Also, I've conversed with people who did this without aids prior to the patch and they said something was changed to make it more difficult.

 

[Short Bus]

something was changed to make it more difficult.

Something was changed to make it borderline impossible. I'm nowhere near the best at this game, in fact I consider myself a mediocre virtual driver at best (I'm mid pack in every sim I've played online), but when you're not allowed to actually take your car to it's limits of cornering abilities that takes away most of the skill involved in driving... so really, this challenge is pure dumb luck. The luck factor mostly comes down to whether or not the AI decides to go and stay three wide while you've got enough momentum to pass enough cars early on to make an actual run at first place.

 

[Short Bus]

Sorry, just thinking about that stupid challenge makes my blood boil.

 

[roostacogburn]

I think they make the game less realistic. That being said, you bought the game, play it how you like. People like to get all egotistical on boards. Play for you, not to impress a made up name on a board.

i like this answer the most,that being said i dont use AIDS at all ever. except ABS

 

[TrackpadUser]

While I do think people should never use SRF ever except for challenges they are having a lot of trouble with and where it isn't locked on or off, I do not think the racing line is noobish.

For me, for something to be noobish, it must make the game much easier. The racing line does not do that.

I think of it as an aid for those who are new to sim racing, like automatic transmission or traction control on at all time.

You are slower when you use them, but it gives the ability to those who are new to sim racing to concentrate on the basics first and then, as they get better, they turn these assists off and learn how to drive without them.

Kinda like the two small wheels they put on children bicycles. Instead of having to learn to both keep your balance and operate the bicycle at the same time, you learn to operate the bike and then, once you are confortable with operating the bike, you remove the wheels and learn how to keep your balance.

Of course some people prefer to go immediatly for the hard way, that's their choice, but some people prefer to make sure they are confortable with one aspect of the game before moving to the other, and I don't see what is wrong with that.



For the NASCAR event I personally think that what PD did on this challenge is absurd. Instead of creating a proper AI for oval racing, they simply artificially raised the difficulty by forcing Stability Control on.

I remember when I did the challenge, before they totally locked Stability Control and it was absurdly easy.

Currently the challenge is hard, but not in a challenging and fun way, like if the AI was good, but in a frustrating way, because you know you can easily pass them without that stupid assist forced on.

 

[pantellica]

it's up for the player who plays the game..if he wants to play using srf ON or any other aids, it's his choice. at first i also use srf ON then lately i turn it OFF, honestly because of the opinions posted by people here, its now my choice to turn it off. and now for me..using srf ON are for beginners, PD also stated that to their option in the game. but i suggest for beginners using srf ON, you will become better and you could try play it using SRF off.sorry for bad english, not my language. honestly i having a slight difficulty playing srf off but after that i get used to it..it's just a matter of practicing.

 

[Ecchi-BANZAII!!]

I do not think the racing line is noobish.

noob=newbie
noobish=newbie like

In once sentence you say it's not noobish and in the other you say it is...

 

[playnthru]

I'm not talking about SRF, I'm talking about ABS being completely OFF (not on 1) as well as every other type of aid being completely turned off. By turning ABS/other aids completely off the slipstream effect does not work as well no matter how well you stay locked in behind Jimmy Johnson's rear bumper. You just fade back like the slipstream is gone. Why would ABS determine how well you are able to draft off a car in front of you? Try it yourself. I'm not asking you to take my word for it. Also, I've conversed with people who did this without aids prior to the patch and they said something was changed to make it more difficult.

SRF is the only thing changed.. I myself have done this before and after the updates, In different accounts.

I know it can be done. Take my word, it's not the game it's the players.

People are quick to say " it can't be done" way too often in GT5.. Trust me everything has been done thousands of times. Even if your people are right saying "it's more difficult" that does not mean impossible.

Since I have done this, I can't take your word. Your wrong

 

[TrackpadUser]

noob=newbie
noobish=newbie like

In once sentence you say it's not noobish and in the other you say it is...

There is a difference to me between a noob and a newbie.

A newbie is a beginner, who wants to learn and get better so he can get rid of the title newbie.

Noob is more to me like an insult. To me it designates to people who aren't really good and that instead of trying to acquire the skills to be as good as pros they will use ''noobish'' stuff that will enable them to win more easily.

If I take an example with FPSs, someone who would be bad because he does not know what he is doing would be a newbie. A noob would be someone who does not know what he is doing, but has a good kill/death ratio since all he does is camp doorways with a shotgun all game long.

In GT5 a noob would be someone who uses an absurdly detuned race car, or someone who goes into a drag server, races people with a car that is much better than his opponent's and then brags to everyone about how he is such a pro.

 

[Short Bus]

If I take an example with FPSs, someone who would be bad because he does not know what he is doing would be a newbie. A noob would be someone who does not know what he is doing, but has a good kill/death ratio since all he does is camp doorways with a shotgun all game long.

I was with you up to this point.... but now you're basically bashing somebody who's making intelligent use of choke points in a shooter. I just don't agree that that is in any way wrong.

It kinda feels like your idea of a noob is simply someone who does something that frustrates you, but sometimes those are the moments you can grow from.