Is the CSR Elite better than the T500 rs?

[left888]

If your so into iracing then perhaps spend more time on their forums.

I do spend a fair amount of time there already, really it's none of your business where I spend my time.

Lots of people that are after an Elite want it because of the Xbox support. That is already evident on these forums. The product is aimed more for the console player.

Can't argue that, but that's where the "semi serious players" are. Instead of talking the talk mr Latte why not give iRacing a shot. Of course it is not for everyone. Many console racers find its real simulation much to hard. Of course someone of your stature who obviously with all his console experience could not be classified as a "semi serious" racer (rotflmfao)

As for semi serious term sorry if you don't like that, lol. I would expect the majority of T500RS owners to be what I call "semi serious" in that they wont spend $1000 - $2000 on a steering wheel like the specialist brands offer for pros or the pure sim nuts.

Like I said mr Latte, why don't you walk the walk, come over to iRacing and show the pros how you do it.(rotflmfao)

When you get your CSRE then your perhaps going to be in a better position to reflect more on each wheel. However I am willing to wager now you end up selling one of your T500RS. Personally I will keep both but only until I will be waving goodbye to the T500RS replacing it with a CSW.

Do you actually read what you write? I'll take that bet, how much do you want to lose?

As for Fanatec and me stating their isn't a similar brand to them. Well then you are welcome to show a brand that has so many products for the community and been so widely accepted. The sales record to what they have achieved is quite impressive and with Japan / Pacific regions coming online only will increase. Without Fanatec we would have much fewer product choices between mainstream and specialist products and at quite specialist price points. The CSW clearly looks to set a new benchmark for such a "semi serious" price point yet likely appeal to and perhaps challenge some very serious wheels on the market. So I have plenty of reasons as a "product person" to appreciate and respect what they have done and the very man responsible.

It's hard to argue much more of your psyco babble mr Latte

It is the CSW which will showcase what they have planned for the PC sim enthusiast. That product fully will reflect "Fanatec's" position and your welcome with your iracing buddies to compare it to the T500RS all you want.

Congratulations mr Latte you are a definite "Fanatical" (rotflmfao)

 

[left888]

I post from an iPad and after you have typed things a few times it learns. So after posting on ISR ( it's just put ISR in caps auto ) with the word Elite with a cap E it now does a cap e every time I type Elite. As I never really type T500 unless I remember to put cap t the pad does not.

What were apple thinking ! I'm off to some forums to flame apple.

Here is a link to my friends beloved T ! 500.... The one some doubt exists or I have never seen lol you will see the reason for it's sale. Even eBay links to it. If you look where he is from you will see he is also welsh. If you go through his post you will see we are friends IRL. Funny thing is left888 knows this to be the case because he is on ISR ( see what the pad did there ?) so quite why he said that I do not know. If you need more proof PM smudge, he will confirm were are m8s and have been for about 20 years.



" How can this review even be taken serious." I think you will find that should be seriously


http://insidesimracing.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?f=148&t=5911

Please forgive me, I have not seen your post at ISR and for the rest of your post I really don't know what you are talking about, if you say you are friends with a smudge? then I have no doubt that you are.

 

[left888]

And some of the best iRacers even use DFGT. Again, it's just a tool and the secret always lie in how well one's able to adapt. Or better still understand why you'd want a wheel and then use that to decide how far (monetarily) you'd willing to go.

For example, I don't normally race (not against human nor AI) and I play GT5 primarily (and the only one since I've upgraded to Windowl-less Mac). I was thinking of CSW but after weeks of deciding and agonizing, today I've received my shipment of T500RS (and the TH8RS). It's everything I'd want and nothing more.

Absolutely correct, a lot of iRacers use Logitech wheels. The T500 with the shifter is a great deal, very hard to pass up on that.

 

[left888]

You could get a T500RS, CSRE or an ECCI wheel and still not be a semi serious player. People can be very serious whether with a pad or entry level wheel or high-end one.

It is difficult to relay logic to mr Latte, he is just out to stir the pot!

Quadruple post, I think that is first for me on the internet... lol... there is an edit button you know...

how's this?

 

[paskowitz]

Quadruple post, I think that is first for me on the internet... lol... there is an edit button you know...

 

[VWMasteR]

I have a honest question here forum related. Why does it matter if he quadruple posts, or others double post? Provided the content is different, is there a problem doing multiple posts?

 

[mykem]

I have a honest question here forum related. Why does it matter if he quadruple posts, or others double post? Provided the content is different, is there a problem doing multiple posts?

Because it pushes other's post down the line and perhaps onto the next page- you can easily edit and add anything which you've forgot in your initial post.

It's one of those netiquette- I never knew that until I was corrected. But I can understand why it's sometime easier to just double or quadruple post especially when you're quoting/and aswering various posts.

Absolutely correct, a lot of iRacers use Logitech wheels. The T500 with the shifter is a great deal, very hard to pass up on that.

Yes, it's a great deal. And the whole setup is so well made. I remember buying my first serious wheel setup, a Logitech Wingman Formula GP (no FFB).

 

[left888]

I have a honest question here forum related. Why does it matter if he quadruple posts, or others double post? Provided the content is different, is there a problem doing multiple posts?

Well I have been getting it for typo's so if I'm not up on posting etiquette I get it for that as well.

Because it pushes other's post down the line and perhaps onto the next page- you can easily edit and add anything which you've forgot in your initial post.

One thing I don't like about editing the same post is some people use it to go back and change their original post, so their story changes when they were wrong.

 

[sandboxgod]

These holidays have been so busy for me I have not been able to keep up with this thread. I've been waiting for a proper T500RS vs CSR-E wheel battle for sometime now.

I can't wait to do some more comparisons between the two. Unfortunately now I am using some firmware not everyone has access too (I have upgraded from fw715 now). So that means some things I am feeling you guys cannot yet. I have emplored Thomas on you guys behalf so yall can feel everything I am. edit- I had hoped by now latest firmware would be public but alas, it is not.

Other day I did 3 races at Infineon with the HPD ARX-01c (iRacing). I was simply blown away even more by this wheel once again. When I drove my wheel over a curb I could literrally feel my tire bounce on the road surface. Was amazing!

I need to check Forza 4 to see if I can duplicate this same effect (edit- because I know many of you are not interested in iRacing)

Anyways I cant recall ever feeling this with my T500RS.....

This sucks trying to explain this with TEXT. Text is so primitive, so old school....

I just wish everyone could try this wheel for themselves. And get access to latest firmware they can so we can all double check this

But I have had this wheel for a little while now and I keep getting massively impressed

[edit] Note, I'm going to wait for everyone to get access to the next firmware before I say much more. I'll update my review and everything at that point

 

[Fanatec...]

I might add to this that while here it is a battle between the T500RS and the CSR Elite, the guys over on iRacing are discussing if the CSR Elite is better than the Frex wheel.

Not many people have both wheels but the one who does, says that the CSR E clearly wins and this opinion is without consideration of the price. This is more a real apples vs apples comparison

(And no, this guy is not a tester and I never had contact with him)

Are there more Frex or ECCI owners here? I would love to send them a wheel for testing.

 

[redmalloc]

I might add to this that while here it is a battle between the T500RS and the CSR Elite, the guys over on iRacing are discussing if the CSR Elite is better than the Frex wheel.

Not many people have both wheels but the one who does, says that the CSR E clearly wins and this opinion is without consideration of the price. This is more a real apples vs apples comparison

(And no, this guy is not a tester and I never had contact with him)

Are there more Frex or ECCI owners here? I would love to send them a wheel for testing.

It is a very interesting comparison/review. The maintenance issues with Frex really surprised me. Honestly, I would never consider the Frex but a similar quality review of the ECCI 7000 vs CSRE - yes, please.

 

[VWMasteR]

Because it pushes other's post down the line and perhaps onto the next page- you can easily edit and add anything which you've forgot in your initial post.

So each page isn't defined by how many lines or word count but number of posts ? (regardless of length)

Thanks.

 

[LogiForce]

I might add to this that while here it is a battle between the T500RS and the CSR Elite, the guys over on iRacing are discussing if the CSR Elite is better than the Frex wheel.

Not many people have both wheels but the one who does, says that the CSR E clearly wins and this opinion is without consideration of the price. This is more a real apples vs apples comparison

(And no, this guy is not a tester and I never had contact with him)

Are there more Frex or ECCI owners here? I would love to send them a wheel for testing.

This is very interesting to hear. Makes me wonder if the Japanese will make a comeback with an even better wheel.
I haven't been lurking in the iRacing forums during the holidays cause of all the other stuff that had to be done, I'll look today anyway.

Edit: I just read the review and if it's that silky smooth. I think that taking the rims faults for granted will be an easy decision to make and certainly for me. In fact now that I read this and keep everyone else their reviews in mind, keeping the rim at a lower price to market this wheel at the current price point might have just been utterly brilliant. Brilliant because you will be giving the competition such a blow as the wheel is so much better that they will have to respond or they will be part of history.

Thomas despite what I said in the other thread about the rim and the base not matching in quality, I now think you did an awesome job in decision making. 👍
(I'd personally would still get a different rim for it later though but that's fine)
I am thinking of reviewing the CSR Elite myself. Actually I am itching to.
Unfortunately I don't own any of those fancy wheels so I can't take you up on that offer.
I do think there was someone here with either of those wheels do.

 

[amf7]

I think most people are forgetting the fact that the rim is changable!!!!! So if you don't like the current rim get the rim when it comes out. I guess one option will be a formula rim so I imagine that will be high quality.

I think the sooner fanatec announc a new rim the better. As it gives the people sat on the fence reassurance.

I cannot understand why everyone bought the elite and only play on ps3/pc? Surely the CSW is the wheel for those guys. Thats why I don't get the comparison with the T500

.....

Thomas I tried getting a Frex/Ecci but was not replied to lol

 

[Spagetti69]

Thomas despite what I said in the other thread about the rim and the base not matching in quality, I now think you did an awesome job in decision making.

That's an interesting theory.
Would Thomas like to confirm the reason he went for this rim?

Was it to keep costs down? I suspect not but if you don't ask you'll never know.

 

[LogiForce]

That's an interesting theory.
Would Thomas like to confirm the reason he went for this rim?

Was it to keep costs down? I suspect not but if you don't ask you'll never know.

If I may comment Thomas from the other thread... here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6403595#post6403595

The review of the OP shows his personal preferences. Everybody has a different taste about things and it seems that he really wanted to have a better rim instead of great force feedback.
A product is always a compromise. Otherwise we would all drive 10.000 USD Bugattis (Estate wagon version for me, please).

If you wanted to get this kind of force feedback sensation you had to pay 1500 to 2500 USD up to know with less compatibility and features.

The price of the CSR E is certainly not super affordable but you have to put it in relation to something comparable to make clear what you can expect to get for the money you paid.

Our GT3 RS wheel is a full Alcantara rim and the wheel costs 180 USD. If the rim is more important for you than this is the wheel to get.

If you want to get a wheel where the value is actually rather under the hood than on the rim then the CSR E is probably a good choice. If you want to have a full metal rim with leather and the CNC machiened base of the CSR E you will have to spend more money to either upgrade the CSR E or wait for the ClubSport wheel.

You always get what you pay for and although 540 USD is quite some money you should put it in perspective to what other wheels deliver. We could have delivered the CSR E only with a more expensive rim made of metal and leather and raise the price. This just kills the option to get this wheel at a more affordable price for the many people who like the rim as it is and rather have spectacular force feedback effects.

Especially notice the last paragraph where he says that it would kill the option to get the wheel at the more affordable price range. And if this wheel is a Frex killer, it's also a devastating blow to the wheels at the same price range. It really up's the way FFB effects are delivered for the price. Of course i'm saying this just based off of what I read for now. I was thinking of getting something for the xbox somewhere along the way, knowing this however I think I better set aside money for the Elite as it clearly is great in terms of simulating the real car experience. Besides, I wouldn't want to be disappointed by going to a lower grade wheel anyway from the T500. lol

On a separate note, it would be interesting to see what a replacement full metal rim will do with the FFB effects when it arrives. Seeing the BMW M3 GT2 rim will be on the CSW the motors should be able to handle it, but what happens to the feel.

 

[FCTaff]

Please forgive me, I have not seen your post at ISR and for the rest of your post I really don't know what you are talking about, if you say you are friends with a smudge? then I have no doubt that you are.

Well as you doubted I had even seen a THRUSTMASTER T500RS* (* I did that just for your peace of mind ) that link I gave you to T500 for sale could have been anyone. Then you would have posted saying you doubted I knew him. So thought I would pre empt that post buy giving a massive long winded explanation and trying to make sure I put caps in the right places to save you the trouble looking for conspiracy theories.


Look back at what you said, my views should not be taken seriously or in other words not believed because I missed a cap T on T500. I can see the logic in your thought process.

Sorry left888 but you have a combative attitude, negativity toward others will make them negative toward you. You are the same way on ISR. I'm not saying I'm a saint, I lose my rag and have a blow up now and again but you seem to live for forum conflict. Trouble is people will lose respect for your views and you end up being the crazy old forum guy that shouts at birds.

I do not think your going to enjoy the Elite TBH, I think you already want to dislike it. You are not going to give it a fair shake. I can't urge you enough to wait for the new FW before you judge it. It's a totally different beast. Most people will be happy with 715, they are going to be a dribbling mess and wet their pants when their wheels have the FW that the beta and comunity testers have.

Daz




The trouble we brew today, we drink tomorrow.

 

[Spagetti69]

@ Logi.

I can see where Thomas is going with that statement.

The DFGT rim as an example is certainly not the worst rim out there at its relative price cost. @£89 in my local store it's very cheap for what it offers.

Just felt that if the cost was an extra 50 euro for a decent rim, people would pay anyway at the price point market it's aimed at.

The flip side is we don't know how much future rims will cost. After market rims based on real world manufacturers will add licensing costs too.

That will leave a question of was the original rim gimped in order to make money on upgraded rims. Not saying that's what's happening but I bet some will feel that way.

Heck the GT2 rim is an awesome rim and I would take an Elite with that rim in a heartbeat ( sure many wouldn't )

Anyhow I don't own one but I can see its the best multiplatform around.

One day when I win the lotto lol.

 

[wavetool]

Well thanks, everyone. This has been a highly entertaining thread!

I'm a DS3 user and have lusted for a wheel for a while now. If I had known wheel discussions were this animated, I would have hopped on the wagon a long time ago.

Looking forward to trying the T500RS and the CSW in 2012.

 

[fedexpress]

If only insidesimracing would reviewed the wheel CSR -E

Apparently it won't happen...

 

[FCTaff]

Phew good job you put T500RS all caps or the post police would have been on your case. You may have even been blamed for the kennedy shooting.

 

[LogiForce]

Well, we already know the CSW rims will be 150 euros and up. At least if I remember correctly it was mentioned in one of the Fanatec videos about the CSW.
If such quality wheels are offered for the Elite as well then you can bet it will be around the same price, maybe a bit lower because there is no expensive quick release.

Of course when you have a company that sells stuff you would want to make money, so I am sure there is some insentive there. I also think that making the Elite a competitive wheel at the price range and setting a new benchmark for the rest was also a reason to go with the rim as it is currently. That is also what I got from Thomas his comment, but maybe I read it differently or read too much into it.

It's the only wheel at that level of quality and price point that's multiplatform, so it's easily the best multiplatform and simply the best xbox wheel as well. However looking at purely PS3 and PC perspective it might be the best to date if it beats even the most expensive big boys out there.

You might need to Lotto for it but I am willing to give it a shot to try and get my hands on one, one way or another at some point.

 

[wavetool]

Phew good job you put T500RS all caps or the post police would have been on your case. You may have even been blamed for the kennedy shooting.

Don't I know it! I made extra special care to use Caps Lock as to not feed any of the conspiracy theorists. I am a new(ish) forum member after all...

 

[Mr Latte]

Once again "Left888" you prove you can be rather stubborn argumentive and annoying. Going into hyper quote mode again are we? Singling out a person, oh me again wow. It seems when anyone challenges your own viewpoint you tend to have a poor way of responding. If someone shows a different point of view then you tend to turn on this "attitude", one that others do not seem to resort to and make attacks personal like in the past. Maybe it's because of your age, people tend to become less secure and moan more as they get older eh ole boy, lol.

Many of us have various brands of wheels but for many I would think they too have favourites. So I see no problem with somone having a preference to one brand or another. If people prefer a T500RS I will not try to convince them otherwise.

Yet if someone was to search through these forums it is "you" that often come across as being "Anti Fanatec" (see several posts on ISR or these forums for proof). People are welcome to prefer which ever is their choice but I wont ridicule them for supporting whatever they prefer. However that doesnt mean they are a fanboy or totally one sided.

I do agree with some comments made regards "semi serious". If anyone on these forums is a good example of being a "semi serious" type person, I am a candidate for such, hell I'm even what I'd call a casual player. Yet I am certain what I have been spending and planning for my own cockpit is rather adventurous and proves fully that indeed people can be serious about what they purchase for their setups without actually being a "hardcore player".

Is it because we want quality products that have a high level of performance and desire a high level in our gaming experiences? Seeing also what others have rubs off and forums/communities like this I think are responsible for many sales indeed.

As for "iracing" oh please, I have experience of it I had a 3 month sub several years ago. Do not think I have no experience with PC sims from past years because I have and I was running multiscreens with triple monitors 7 years ago with a top spec PC that got upgraded every 9-12 months. I have been their and done that but got sick of it all so I do not need a lesson on what PC gaming can offer or iracing.

The thing is some on these forums look down on people that just want to have simple hassle free console gaming. Many people do not care or need real style physics or such accurate simulation to have fun and that is why they play for fun/entertainment. You can come and go easily on consoles and not have all the issues with modding games and often hardware issues, drivers, PC crashes etc. True I may go back to it one day but that depends on Rfactor 2 and C.A.R.S which look good. Yet I have a growing desire again from a geek/hardware perspective, which has always driven my purchases to play more games in ways the PC allows. Currently it is this triple screen 3D projection that holds my interest combined with my extended audio/tactile configuration.

We are still waiting for you to tell us which peripheral hardware brand other than Fanatec has pioneered console or PC gaming so much in the last recent years. Fact is their isnt one is their? Oh see when challenged again you brush it off with a smart reply.

Please do not quote more on this, you will only further argue. It is a response to your weird attitude so Im not interested in your continued viewpoints on the above.

 

[erahk64]

On a separate note, it would be interesting to see what a replacement full metal rim will do with the FFB effects when it arrives. Seeing the BMW M3 GT2 rim will be on the CSW the motors should be able to handle it, but what happens to the feel.

A guy that did a quick release mod on CSR Elite (see link below) says
in the same thread that he don't notice any FFB loss with the heavier wheel he uses now.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6416093#post6416093

 

[LogiForce]

A guy that did a quick release mod on CSR Elite (see link below) says
in the same thread that he don't notice any FFB loss with the heavier wheel he uses now.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6416093#post6416093

Yeah I saw that but a picture doesn't convey the feel though and he doesn't mention anything about that. Looks nice though, but I'd rather have an official Fanatec wheel so I can still have the shifters. Although I most often use an H-shifter because I find it more fun.

 

[erahk64]

Yeah I saw that but a picture doesn't convey the feel though and he doesn't mention anything about that.

Did you find his other post in the same thread:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6416670#post6416670

I assume if he don't notice any FFB loss using the heavier wheel, the FFB
information he feels is the same as when using the original rim.
But maybe you are also referring to the vibration motors in the original rim which
are missing in the new rim ?

 

[LogiForce]

Did you find his other post in the same thread:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6416670#post6416670

I assume if he don't notice any FFB loss using the heavier wheel, the FFB
information he feels is the same as when using the original rim.
But maybe you are also referring to the vibration motors in the original rim which
are missing in the new rim ?

Wooops, must've read over it by accident. My bad. Thanks 👍
It's just been a bit hectic here the past days with 2 days of Christmas (in the Netherlands we have 2. lol) and 2 birthdays and also new years eve today. So I've mostly been scanning the posts made, sorry.
I was indeed referring to the feel from the FFB motors in the base, not the vibration motors in the wheel.

 

[VWMasteR]

That guy proves a point that I tried to make some time ago that the quick release is independent of hot plug.

 

[LogiForce]

That guy proves a point that I tried to make some time ago that the quick release is independent of hot plug.

It is not independent if Fanatec wants to keep the xbox license for it. Which has certain rules to it. I think that's the whole issue.
The main rule being the basic button requirement for an xbox input device and the communication with said buttons.

So yeah, it doesn't mean it doesn't work without buttons but Fanatec isn't allowed to sell it like that by Microsoft.