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Far right vs. far wrong?Hey, it's a tough choice. Far right vs. worshipping an imaginary man in the sky.
Far right vs. far wrong?Hey, it's a tough choice. Far right vs. worshipping an imaginary man in the sky.
Perhaps, if you don't believe that the far right is also wrong.Far right vs. far wrong?
I can dig it. Well done 👍👍Far right vs. far wrong?
https://amp.heraldsun.com.au/news/w...m/news-story/5263b2e6aecf084ad094d547e4df6804
Unclear if it was sectarian violence(Sunni on Shia) or mental health issue, but that is scary that a human can do that.
This is horrifying! Reports says that the killer have mental issues, but he could be extremist who knows. This is hardly about sectarianism, tention or violence between Sunnies or Shia and it is likely that it's all about the killer himself. I live about 10 minutes away from where this kid is from, and I'm sunni and planning to visit the family to pay my respect for their loss. The killing was in the western province though.https://amp.heraldsun.com.au/news/w...m/news-story/5263b2e6aecf084ad094d547e4df6804
Unclear if it was sectarian violence(Sunni on Shia) or mental health issue, but that is scary that a human can do that.
Lmao glad it's limited to Saudi Arabia.
https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/...ire-for-hosting-saudi-app-for-tracking-women/
Lmao glad it's limited to Saudi Arabia.
https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/...ire-for-hosting-saudi-app-for-tracking-women/
However, for starters this site has been there for years, and it's not for tracking women!! This is site is used to facilitate access or handling to all of your governmental matters, businesses, real estates and many other things.
You need her permission and consent to gain access to track & view these services and her medical records if she has an absher account.The description of the app from the National Security Centre includes the note that you can use it track family or worker's services. All services conducted through Absher (banking, passport permission, governmental e-services) are location logged and reported to the main account holder. Rather like a bank account the holders are usually patriarchs.
Being honest, being absolutely honest, do you think it's possible that a male head-of-family could track his wife through her use of Absher on her own device?
You need her permission and consent to gain access to track & view these services and her medical records if she has an absher account.
And No, personally I don't think that a male should track and view any of his wife's activities without her approval. I haven't used it or asked my wife for it and that is her right!
Arab NewsCol. Ma’la Al-Otaibi, spokesman of the Passports Directorate of the Eastern Province, said that when the husband’s name is added to the family card, it shows that he is the wife’s guardian and not the father. Therefore, it is mandatory for a married woman to get permission from her husband if she is traveling with her father. He said that the facility of getting travel permits is available on the Absher services of Jawazat.
Responding to a question on Twitter, the Passports Directorate said that if a woman is registered in the records of her husband, then the husband’s permission is mandatory.
You can request an authorization from any of your adult dependents " Male / Female " to gain full access to their profile, without an approval from their side you can do nothing.My understanding is that the consent is held by the main account holder, labourers and family sub-members are under that permission. So no, that wouldn't necessarily be the case.
No, it's not possible to track her use of the site. That's not right.I didn't ask if you thought he should, I asked if you agreed it was possible. SSC member Sheikh Abdullah Al-Manea believes that travelling without male consent is impermissible, and a Colonel from the Passports Directorate seems to agree.
It's correct, it can be used to mess up some people's lives, but that’s uncommon. Not to the extent that some media are presenting.I accept that this isn't how you want the world to see Absher but you've got a long way to go to convince me that Absher isn't being used as a modern-day tool to diminish rights. I'm not saying it's causing the problem but it seems to be providing technology to further its enablement.
Just to clarify a little point here... The guardian doesn't grant permission for traveling, she / he can go wherever they want once they have a passport, that's by default. However he can submit blocking for that person but it has to be justified.
t's correct, it can be used to mess up some people's lives, but that’s uncommon. Not to the extent that some media are presenting.
First of all women are not objects! There could be some incorrect implementation of religious beliefs, but the point is that most of that is about their safety. While I admit that somethings need to be loosen a bit, and a lot of things are changing, but the fact remains that SA is probably one of the safest countries for women. Just compare how many sexual assaults or rape cases in your country and how many in SA! Women can go anywhere and do whatever they wish in the middle of night with an absolute safety about getting sexually assaulted. You can't say the same in Europe or the US can you?2 issues
1 why would an adult woman need a guardian? People figured out this is insane centuries ago (which still was way to late but by now everyone should understand a woman is an adult individual that's part of society not some possession that.needs a guardian).
2 how can you ever justify having this power over 1 person soley based on gender/age. We're talking about people not some object.
If it can shouldn't it remove the features that make it possible to use it that way. And certzinly since those features add nothing usefull to the app but control over an other person be it through information or actual interferrence.
Fair enough. Look.... I respect your opinion, and I really do agree with you in some of the points you mentioned. But please... Spare me the contradiction about human rights, because there are a lot of breaches and wrong doings in human rights in western countries as well. Homosexuality is illegal in most countries, so I'm not getting your opinion about human rights in that regard! What about innocent people in Iraq or Afghanistan? Abu Ghraib prison? Why invading them at all?In your first post about this you asked why SA is so often part of our critique. My opinion on why is this, we the western world are allied with SA. We also want to make the world believe we uphold human rights. Ever since the internet we can see what **** our 'allies' do that are in conflict with those human rights. So our governments and media are more obliged to point out the misdoings of our friends as we can't call ourselfs the good guys if our allies breach the human rights on a regular basis.
You are not allowed to come out as an atheist. If I'm correct homosexuality is still.illegal. woman need guardians (cause wut?). How your country fights the war with Jemen has me questioning which party to vote for as our country still supplies weapons to pieces of **** who think it's ok to bomb schools and hospitals.
A lot of belgian foreign fighters for IS became radicalised going to SA funded mosques. So your government funds the people we fight and still we wonder why this fight continues. Strange right is we supply weapons to SA and after a few days see terrorist groups fight our soldiers with pur weapons.
There still is a lot wrong with SA compared to a lot of other countries.
Yes this post is a bit harsh but I'm allergic to acting as if the problems aren't that large when they clearly are.
Sorry, but could you list the European countries that still have the death penalty, in which homosexuality is illegal and in which atheism is illegal?Fair enough. Look.... I respect your opinion, and I really do agree with you in some of the points you mentioned. But please... Spare me the contradiction about human rights, because there are a lot of breaches and wrong doings in human rights in western countries as well. Homosexuality is illegal in most countries, so I'm not getting your opinion about human rights in that regard! What about innocent people in Iraq or Afghanistan? Abu Ghraib prison? Why invading them at all?
However he can submit blocking for that person but it has to be justified.
I'm sorry but you are putting words I never said! I said that homosexuality is illegal in most countries, I didn't say death penalty is carried out in European countries that consider homosexuality is illegal nor in atheism. Btw there's more homosexuality in SA than you might think, and the death penalty is not being sentenced in SA for that anymore, that was in the past and with specific conditions. Last known case for homosexuality they were sentenced 5 years in prison.Sorry, but could you list the European countries that still have the death penalty, in which homosexuality is illegal and in which atheism is illegal?
Explain to me what that means?
And you are engaging in utter 'whatoutism', I thought you would be up for a comparison between the area you show in your location and the one being discussed. However feel free to keep in on that topic, please list all of the countries which still carry the death penalty for homosexuality (regardless of if its currently used).I'm sorry but you are putting words I never said!
And that makes its continued illegality and threat of the death penalty in Saudi valid for what reason?I said that homosexuality is illegal in most countries,
I didn't say you did.I didn't say death penalty is carried out in European countries that consider homosexuality is illegal nor in atheism.
The amount of homosexuality in Saudi is going to be pretty much the same as the amount in any country, given that making 100% natural human activity illegal doesn't make it go away at all (what a surprise).Btw there's more homosexuality in SA than you might think, and the death penalty is not being sentenced in SA for that anymore, that was in the past and with specific conditions.
That makes it so much better!!!Last known case for homosexuality they were sentenced 5 years in prison.
People shouldn't need to sue to be able to travel freely, the ability to travel freely should be a given.It means that there are terms and conditions is to be met if the travel blocking is to be approved. It's not like the guardian can block anyone from traveling whenever he wish for no reason! She can sue him for that and she will win!
I had to come back to this, because quite frankly this is so dishonest that its bordering on an outright lie.While I admit that somethings need to be loosen a bit, and a lot of things are changing, but the fact remains that SA is probably one of the safest countries for women. Just compare how many sexual assaults or rape cases in your country and how many in SA! Women can go anywhere and do whatever they wish in the middle of night with an absolute safety about getting sexually assaulted. You can't say the same in Europe or the US can you?
First of all women are not objects! There could be some incorrect implementation of religious beliefs, but the point is that most of that is about their safety. While I admit that somethings need to be loosen a bit, and a lot of things are changing, but the fact remains that SA is probably one of the safest countries for women. Just compare how many sexual assaults or rape cases in your country and how many in SA! Women can go anywhere and do whatever they wish in the middle of night with an absolute safety about getting sexually assaulted. You can't say the same in Europe or the US can you?
As I said earlier, an authorization should be made if you are to control or see what the other person is doing. The only way to get full access for an adult dependent without their acknowledgement is if they don't have an account, which usually happens in a more conservative families where women mostly unaware if these things or for not getting involved and let the guardian do everything.
Fair enough. Look.... I respect your opinion, and I really do agree with you in some of the points you mentioned. But please... Spare me the contradiction about human rights, because there are a lot of breaches and wrong doings in human rights in western countries as well.
Homosexuality is illegal in most countries, so I'm not getting your opinion about human rights in that regard! What about innocent people in Iraq or Afghanistan? Abu Ghraib prison? Why invading them at all?
Yemen we are getting militias backed by Iran and they are armed with weapons and missiles and launch them at our southern borders! They are recruiting children and use them as human shields!
Yes there were few operational mistakes in Yemen that led to civilian catualties and the government has admitted that, but the point is that we can't have these radical groups at our southern borders! The middle east is too destabilized for another militia! I don't agree with what's happening in Yemen and that's my opinion, but to extent I can see the political point of view.
Btw there's more homosexuality in SA than you might think, and the death penalty is not being sentenced in SA for that anymore, that was in the past and with specific conditions. Last known case for homosexuality they were sentenced 5 years in prison.
It means that there are terms and conditions is to be met if the travel blocking is to be approved. It's not like the guardian can block anyone from traveling whenever he wish for no reason! She can sue him for that and she will win!
Utterly and completely wrong.Second of all... I'm surprised why would you think that the only correct approach is the western approach at everything and you are trying so hard to prove that! We share different religions, traditions and beliefs. So what you might consider your right like homosexuality, others ( with their different religions and beliefs) have it as indecency and religiously forbidden to practice that or express that in public! And that's not only in SA! After all homosexuality is sexual preference not human nature!
Way to ignore reality.Finally .. It's actually an outright lie & fantasy to say that SA has no prohibiting laws about rape or women protection! That's so uninformed!! This is one of few granted beheading sentence. Facts, statistics and reports tell you about the safety of women from sexual assault in SA. There could be few cases here and there, it's not perfect. But it's hundreds or could be thousands less than your country.
Second of all... I'm surprised why would you think that the only correct approach is the western approach at everything and you are trying so hard to prove that! We share different religions, traditions and beliefs. So what you might consider your right like homosexuality, others ( with their different religions and beliefs) have it as indecency and religiously forbidden to practice that or express that in public! And that's not only in SA! After all homosexuality is sexual preference not human nature!
Finally .. It's actually an outright lie & fantasy to say that SA has no prohibiting laws about rape or women protection! That's so uninformed!! This is one of few granted beheading sentence. Facts, statistics and reports tell you about the safety of women from sexual assault in SA. There could be few cases here and there, it's not perfect. But it's hundreds or could be thousands less than your country.
I just critisised parts of the western approach. I didn't say our way is the way. I say SA ways are worse.
Homosexuality is nature, this is not religion or belief... this is what it is, homosexuality is found in other animals too. And I which the SA, Iran, ugandan,.... piece of **** ways that prohibit people from being themselfs go the way of the dodo. I can live with you disapproving homosexuality based on something as subjective as religion, I can't accept you defending your belief that it's ok to force your belief onto others effectively making them live a misserable life.
Ok if your wife doesn't want to have sex and you do. If you then have sex with her (in effect force her) is that rape to you?
If the answer is no you bettet think about that a long time.
Why do you think that we always force females in doing what they don't want to do? That's stereotype is not true. I'm not denying its existence in some more conservative places, but females are a lot more empowered than what you clearly think.A lot of things that you deem ok, if you do that with my girlfriend we have a serious issue.
If it's a preference then please explain why a very large number of animal species are also homosexual?You say that you can't accept me to force my beliefs into others. But you expect me to accept others forcing their beliefs on me?
You force your opinion when say homosexuality is nature, while I say it's sexual preference because it is not biologically possible to reproduce as in (Male /Female). If you can convince me otherwise then I will admit that it's a human nature.
The guy in the post before forcing his biased beliefs when saying that I'm ignoring reality and that there's no law or protection to women in SA? Is that acceptable? And that is coming from a person who is likely never been in SA or will ever visit it to a person who lives there and have a wife, friends and relatives.
What!! Who on earth do you think we are??
If my wife doesn't want to have sex with me I'm not going to force myself into her. Yes that's a rape.
Clearly I can say that you have a huge misunderstanding about how we live here.
Why do you think that we always force females in doing what they don't want to do? That's stereotype is not true. I'm not denying its existence in some more conservative places, but females are a lot more empowered than what you clearly think.
If it's a preference then please explain why a very large number of animal species are also homosexual?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
That its natural isn't an opinion, its a scientific fact.