Lack of American cars

[RobGT81]

In the real car history, the Mustang brand is way more important and "legendary" than the M3, not to mention that the first M3 came 20 years after the first Ford Mustang.

As a brand it's probably more important in north America, but outside the states the mustang has achieved very little, its well known for no good reason but nothing else. The m3 over the years has pushed the boundarys.

 

[Exorcet]

EDIT: By the way, I would also love to see more American cars, just like I want to see more German cars, more Japanese cars, more Italian cars, more French......

I agree with you there. I had forgotten about Venturi from GT2. Those were a great bunch of cars, never to be seen again.

Though, can there be anymore Japanese cars in the game? lol

The m3 over the years has pushed the boundarys.

And the Mustang is at those boundaries right now.

 

[JuiceMcGoose]

considering the actual relevance of american cars to the world of motorsports as a whole, I would say that there actually are *too many* american cars in the game, especially between the premiums.

I guess that would depend on which motorsport. In the US Nascar is #1 and drag racing is #2.

Now in its fifth decade, NHRA is the world's largest motorsports sanctioning body with 80,000 members, 140 member tracks, more than 35,000 licensed competitors, and more than 5,000 member-track events.

 

[RobGT81]

I agree with you there. I had forgotten about Venturi from GT2. Those were a great bunch of cars, never to be seen again.

Though, can there be anymore Japanese cars in the game? lol



And the Mustang is at those boundaries right now.

It's at those boundarys set a few years ago by the m3, playing catch up and not pushing them. Wow,like way to go,dude

 

[RobGT81]

I guess that would depend on which motorsport. In the US Nascar is #1 and drag racing is #2.

Now in its fifth decade, NHRA is the world's largest motorsports sanctioning body with 80,000 members, 140 member tracks, more than 35,000 licensed competitors, and more than 5,000 member-track events.

The motorsport the rest of the world is interested in, motorsport with corners.

 

[Mr. New Car]

Panamera is a sedan, just not a very good looking one. I'd much rather have a Rapide or a Quattroporte, or an Audi S8.

Are half of your choices limited to a top gear episode?

 

[JuiceMcGoose]

The motorsport the rest of the world is interested in, motorsport with corners.

No corners in Nascar?

Drag racing is fun! I started in '68.

 

[Abriael]

And this is from what? You state an unbacked opinion about the relevance of US cars and then say that as if you can't be wrong.

Try reality. Most american cars are unavailable anywhere else in the world, or very rare, simply because they fail to penetrate any market that isn't the american one (for quite obvious reasons), and the appearence of american cars in international racing series out of the US is a rarity.

The US has lived in an automotive bubble since the era of the unions and their pushes for protectionism. Travel a little bit out of the US and see how many american cars you see around in the streets, or on the tracks.
That'll give you a good idea of how irrelevant they are to the world of automotive as a whole.

I guess that would depend on which motorsport. In the US Nascar is #1 and drag racing is #2.

Try reading. In the world of motorsport *as a whole*. In the world of motorsport *as a whole* nascar and drag racing are completely irrelevant. Must have something to do with how dull they are.

Now in its fifth decade, NHRA is the world's largest motorsports sanctioning body with 80,000 members, 140 member tracks, more than 35,000 licensed competitors, and more than 5,000 member-track events.

And no one outside the US cares any about it. Quite telling, isn't it?

 

[Exorcet]

It's at those boundarys set a few years ago by the m3, playing catch up and not pushing them. Wow,like way to go,dude

And it wasn't even meant to reach the likes of the M3, which has F1 heritage and a large price tag to garner lots of tech and research. Also, we're talking about road cars. When are you going to see two manufacturers get together and make a "fair" contest between their cars? Remember, the E92 came out 2 years after the 05 Mustang, so I guess BMW cheated too.

Try reality. Most american cars are unavailable anywhere else in the world, or very rare, simply because they fail to penetrate any market that isn't the american one (for quite obvious reasons), and the appearence of american cars in international racing series out of the US is a rarity.

The US has lived in an automotive bubble since the era of the unions and their pushes for protectionism. Travel a little bit out of the US and see how many american cars you see around in the streets, or on the tracks.
That'll give you a good idea of how irrelevant they are to the world of automotive as a whole.

They're not hard to find in the the FIA GT and LeMans series. I agree that the US tends to focus on US racing series, but they aren't non existent outside of the US. Ford, Dodge, Saleen, and Chevy have all been invovled in European motorsports recently (since 2000) and have met with some success. As far as road cars go, the US cars are right up there with the Europeans, so I don't see why they wouldn't be included.

 

[G.T.Ace]

As a brand it's probably more important in north America, but outside the states the mustang has achieved very little, its well known for no good reason but nothing else. The m3 over the years has pushed the boundarys.

The Ford Mustang is one of the dream cars of most Europeans (never mind which year), I know tons of people who want one, or even had one already. Except for some Bavarians, I don't know anyone who would prefer an M3 over a Mustang, because the normal people don't care about track times. Without the Mustang, the muscle car era would've been completely different and these cars defined the design of even most european brands. Just look at Opel, Commodore, Admiral, even the Kadett, they all had a muscle car look inspired especially from the "pony-cars".

Sorry, but saying the M3 is legendary and the Mustang is not is just plain wrong.

 

[Xavier2342]

Try reality. Most american cars are unavailable anywhere else in the world, or very rare, simply because they fail to penetrate any market that isn't the american one (for quite obvious reasons), and the appearence of american cars in international racing series out of the US is a rarity.

The US has lived in an automotive bubble since the era of the unions and their pushes for protectionism. Travel a little bit out of the US and see how many american cars you see around in the streets, or on the tracks.
That'll give you a good idea of how irrelevant they are to the world of automotive as a whole.

It's funny that you mention this because while I was in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates there were a good amount of American cars rolling around.

 

[RobGT81]

The Ford Mustang is one of the dream cars of most Europeans (never mind which year), I know tons of people who want one, or even had one already. Except for some Bavarians, I don't know anyone who would prefer an M3 over a Mustang, because the normal people don't care about track times. Without the Mustang, the muscle car era would've been completely different and these cars defined the design of even most european brands. Just look at Opel, Commodore, Admiral, even the Kadett, they all had a muscle car look inspired especially from the "pony-cars".

Sorry, but saying the M3 is legendary and the Mustang is not is just plain wrong.

Strange, I don't anyone who would have a mustang over an m3, that's without lap times, m3s are just seen as more desirable to start with. A mustang would stop working or fall apart before you had chance to floor it.

Have you been on the very tasty Bavarian beer?

 

[Xavier2342]

No corners in Nascar?

Drag racing is fun! I started in '68.

I laugh when people say this, sure majority of the Nascar races are oval track, what about the tracks they race on such as: Sonoma, Road America, Watkins Glen International, Circuit Gilles Villenueve, etc.

 

[Abriael]

It's funny that you mention this because while I was in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates there were a good amount of American cars rolling around.

Quantify "good amount", then compare it to the number of cars of any other major nationality out there, and you'll notice that american cars would be downright crushed.

And the arab emirates are quite the exception in itself, considering the local cost of gas.

 

[G.T.Ace]

A mustang would stop working or fall apart before you had chance to floor it.

See, that's what you don't seem to understand, I am talking about your "average Joe" (I heard he is a plumber) they don't want to "floor" anything. The Ford Mustang is pretty reliable by the way.

Have you been on the very tasty Bavarian beer?

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't drink any alcohol.

 

[GatorAdam]

pontiac trans am ws6
pontiac firebird
87-93 5.0 mustang (foxbody)

These are the type of cars that are missing. Instead of everyone driving a bunch of weed wackers. If i wanted to drive a 2stroke i would jump on my dirtbike. I don't care what everyone else thinks. When I start my car in the morning and my kitchen walls are shaking i know im going to have a good day. The only thing a Japanese car is going to be shaking is it's own heat shield rattling off.

A resounding "yes, please" to all 3 of these. That WS6 has a sexxier sound than any car in this game. And its body styling along with any of those '98-'02 Firebirds is a personal fave of mine ("tied" with the '76 Corvette notchback).

 

[AMCNUT]

I know this might sound odd, but I think some of the classic AMCs would make a great addition to the game! I'd totally put a '74 Gremlin X or a '71 Hornet SC/360 up against some of the more powerful machinery... man I love those cars! Can't forget the Javelins, AMXs, Rebels, etc. as well...

But the best AMC for the game would be the Pacer, hands down. I've always wanted to race one of those things... I'd drive one in real life if I could find one!

 

[Exorcet]

The motorsport the rest of the world is interested in, motorsport with corners.

Remember Infineon Stock car course in GT4?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx_5x0GTp3E

This is not uncommon, and I don't even watch NASCAR.

 

[G.T.Ace]

But the best AMC for the game would be the Pacer, hands down. I've always wanted to race one of those things... I'd drive one in real life if I could find one!

Imagine a race with only Pacers and Pintos on the Nordschleife, lots of smoke and fire over the whole track.

 

[ruf_ctr2]

Try reality. Most american cars are unavailable anywhere else in the world, or very rare, simply because they fail to penetrate any market that isn't the american one (for quite obvious reasons), and the appearence of american cars in international racing series out of the US is a rarity.

The US has lived in an automotive bubble since the era of the unions and their pushes for protectionism. Travel a little bit out of the US and see how many american cars you see around in the streets, or on the tracks.
That'll give you a good idea of how irrelevant they are to the world of automotive as a whole.



Try reading. In the world of motorsport *as a whole*. In the world of motorsport *as a whole* nascar and drag racing are completely irrelevant. Must have something to do with how dull they are.



And no one outside the US cares any about it. Quite telling, isn't it?

You are a condescending douche. Fact is the GT5 game sells quite a bit in america and it is not unreasonable for people to want more. Do I care for NASCAR? no. Do I like drag racing? sometimes. I do enjoy racing with more corners but to each there own.

 

[Xavier2342]

Quantify "good amount", then compare it to the number of cars of any other major nationality out there, and you'll notice that american cars would be downright crushed.

And the arab emirates are quite the exception in itself, considering the local cost of gas.

It was actually pretty close, but I will admit that there were more European manufactured cars on the street. I don't think gas prices matter because those who want gas guzzlers (let's be real, the Lamborghini Murcielago definitely fits in this category... lol) and can afford it will purchase their gas guzzler regardless of what gas prices may be. It sounds stupid but it is what it is...

 

[Abriael]

You are a condescending douche. Fact is the GT5 game sells quite a bit in america and it is not unreasonable for people to want more. Do I care for NASCAR? no. Do I like drag racing? sometimes. I do enjoy racing with more corners but to each there own.

"you sir think differently than me, so since I can't defy your logic I must insult you!"

With "quite a bit", do you mean 13% of the worldwide sales? Quite a meager percentage to feel entitled to "want more".

 

[CodeRedR51]

Strange, I don't anyone who would have a mustang over an m3, that's without lap times, m3s are just seen as more desirable to start with. A mustang would stop working or fall apart before you had chance to floor it.

I think I've just lost respect for a lot of the Europeans posting in this thread. Stating your own opinions as incorrect facts just makes you look completely stupid and ignorant.

 

[Abriael]

I think I've just lost respect for a lot of the Europeans posting in this thread. Stating your own opinions as incorrect facts just makes you look completely stupid and ignorant.

Translation: "you go against my delusions about american cars, so your opinions must be considered incorrect and i feel the irresistible need to attack you on a personal level".
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[CodeRedR51]

How is saying American cars suck not attacking Americans as a whole on a personal level?

 

[finnracer]

I think I've just lost respect for a lot of the Europeans posting in this thread. Stating your own opinions as incorrect facts just makes you look completely stupid and ignorant.

Although some people are exaggerating and I am not doubting that the '11 Mustang GT is a good car but you can see where the extra cost of the M3 shines through i.e. No live rear axle, a much better quality interior and a very well made and tuned high revving engine(the big V8 suits the 'stang far better but i'm just making the point that it is more expensive to make the M3's engine. I must say the so called Premium interior on the Mustang does look cheap at anything other than first glance. Ill just make this clear though that I do think the 2011 Mustang is a good car and am merely explaining why the M3 costs significantly more.

 

[Exorcet]

"you sir think differently than me, so since I can't defy your logic I must insult you!"

With "quite a bit", do you mean 13% of the worldwide sales? Quite a meager percentage to feel entitled to "want more".

Where did that come from? GM alone is 10%

And apparently in Europe, Ford and GM make up 18%
http://adrianbalan.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/worldwide-car-sales-by-manufacturer-2009/

What %'s were the other countries from your source anyway?

 

[Abriael]

Where did that come from? GM alone is 10%

And apparently in Europe, Ford and GM make up 18%
http://adrianbalan.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/worldwide-car-sales-by-manufacturer-2009/

You need to learn to read. He's talking about the sales of the *game*.

And guess what, those percentages you talk about are made almost exclusively by small-size cheap cars like the Focus, that are represented in the game. See, american cars that are relevant to the automotive world ARE represented in GT5. This withouto mentioning the fact that GM includes quite a few companies that aren't american at all, like Opel or Daewoo.

How is saying American cars suck not attacking Americans as a whole on a personal level?

As a matter of fact, saying that american cars suck does NOT equate attacking americans as a whole on a personal level. Unless your national pride blinds you so much that you can't accept the fact that your nation may produce some inferior products in some markets.
Do you work for an automotive manufacturer? In that case you may feel a little of a sting, but even there saying that "american cars suck" wouldn't be an attack directed to you unless you were quite high-ranking in your job, considering that quality mostly comes from high level decision making in manufacturing chains, technology, R&D and budget.

So no, sorry, if someone says "american cars suck" and you feel personally insulted, then the problem is on your side and in your overblown national pride.

 

[Exorcet]

You need to learn to read. He's talking about the sales of the *game*.

And guess what, those percentages you talk about are made almost exclusively by small-size cheap cars like the Focus, that are represented in the game. See, american cars that are relevant to the automotive world ARE represented in GT5

My mistake.

But in the case of the second paragraph, let's remove Ferrari. They can only sell a few hundred of their cars at a time, so they aren't relevent, right?

 

[CodeRedR51]

See, american cars that are relevant to the automotive world ARE represented in GT5

Any car, from any part of the world with some history behind it, is relevant in the automotive world. Just because it's not a Ferrari or the like, doesn't mean it's not irrelevant.