Lemons to Le Mans Tuesday Series

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Dear Bowtiekid,

Do you ever know that your my heroooo?

blah blah blah...wind beneath my wings.
 
Vol Jbolaz
Not sure yet, but I'm thinking this will be about 35ish laps. I just tested, and after an hour, I was finally able to do more than one lap at a time. I did mostly 2:30s, but I did get a 2:28.3, all in the dry on RHs. By the sixth lap, though, my front tires were at 50%.

I'm going to do so poorly this week.
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On 450pp nights I think we run about 2:18-2:22 on Sport Soft tires. Not sure how many drivers will be nearing 450pp though. Times will increase dramatically in the rain too.

Has anyone done a 1.5hr race in the rain? How intermittent is it? I tried it last night and the rain stopped after 1 lap and the sun came out.
 
chuyler1
On 450pp nights I think we run about 2:18-2:22 on Sport Soft tires. Not sure how many drivers will be nearing 450pp though. Times will increase dramatically in the rain too.
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I am tragically slow. I have 490+ on RH tires. I should be much faster. I'm still learning the track, but... I don't see how I can get to below 2:20.
 
Can we unshare our cars and test now?
 
BTK
Can we unshare our cars and test now?
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Yes, go for it. I didn't look at them all last night, but that's my fault. Not all are shared, and I am sure I don't have all the parts lists, so please, double-check what is on the spreadsheet and help me correct it.
 
Ok, I'll make sure you've got it.
 
i just unshared my car so I could test it.

I can reach 2:27.5 on dry pavement with racing hard tires. There is a good 0.5 to 1.0 seconds to squeeze out of my car with cleaning up my lines a little better.

Attempting a lap in the rain on racing hard tires is...well...impossible. Given that it could rain at any point during the race, I think it is safer to stay with rain or intermediate tires.

After 2 laps on each tire I came up with the following stats. These times are by no means best laps...they are just reference points to how each tire will behave.

On Dry Pavement
Racing Hard Tires: 2:27.5
Racing Intermediate: 2:30.0
Racing Rain: 2:35.5

On Wet Pavement
Racing Hard Tires: N/A (3 to 5 minutes maybe, i gave up after 3 turns).
Racing Intermediate: 2:47.5
Racing Rain: 2:42.0

Conclusion
It is clearly obvious that the tire model is going to promote some competitive strategy as long as we have some mixed weather conditions to force potential unscheduled pit stops. Right off the bat it is clearly obvious you do not want to get caught in the rain with racing hard tires on. You will have to pit the next time around, if you ever make it. Rain tires give you an advantage in the rain obviously, and intermediate tires are a safe bet for both rain and dry while not being spectacular in either. Drivers could run intermediates for consistency and pit stop scheduling...or they could jump between hards and rains as the weather changes and probably make out just as well.
 
So the question is. Since you want dynamic weather, do you want too start in the rain, or sunny?

We can guarantee rain, if we start with rain, but that just means everyone will start with rain tires. But it's up to you all, we can take the chance of starting on Sunny, where everyone goes with hards, meaning that everyone will pit when it rains, adding for excitement. But, it may never rain. Chance is what it is.
 
I set the room up for rain last night, then switched to dynamic. It stopped raining by the end of my first lap. I don't think I can guarantee specific weather conditions for the start of the race...since changing the weather resets qualifying times.

The bigger question is, will the weather stay the same when we click "start race" or could the weather totally change when the grid is set up?
 
chuyler1
I set the room up for rain last night, then switched to dynamic. It stopped raining by the end of my first lap. I don't think I can guarantee specific weather conditions for the start of the race...since changing the weather resets qualifying times.

The bigger question is, will the weather stay the same when we click "start race" or could the weather totally change when the grid is set up?
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That's all part of the challenge. I would set it to dynamic and just see what happens. Can't control weather in real life so why try to in a sim.
 
sl3ight
That's all part of the challenge. I would set it to dynamic and just see what happens. Can't control weather in real life so why try to in a sim.
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I think that's the best approach. I just hope we can properly choose our starting tires (meaning there are no bugs with tire selection or weather changing). I don't think drivers in a real race would be required to start on race slicks if it is raining out.
 
chuyler1
i just unshared my car so I could test it.

I can reach 2:27.5 on dry pavement with racing hard tires. There is a good 0.5 to 1.0 seconds to squeeze out of my car with cleaning up my lines a little better.

Attempting a lap in the rain on racing hard tires is...well...impossible. Given that it could rain at any point during the race, I think it is safer to stay with rain or intermediate tires.

After 2 laps on each tire I came up with the following stats. These times are by no means best laps...they are just reference points to how each tire will behave.

On Dry Pavement
Racing Hard Tires: 2:27.5
Racing Intermediate: 2:30.0
Racing Rain: 2:35.5

On Wet Pavement
Racing Hard Tires: N/A (3 to 5 minutes maybe, i gave up after 3 turns).
Racing Intermediate: 2:47.5
Racing Rain: 2:42.0

Conclusion
It is clearly obvious that the tire model is going to promote some competitive strategy as long as we have some mixed weather conditions to force potential unscheduled pit stops. Right off the bat it is clearly obvious you do not want to get caught in the rain with racing hard tires on. You will have to pit the next time around, if you ever make it. Rain tires give you an advantage in the rain obviously, and intermediate tires are a safe bet for both rain and dry while not being spectacular in either. Drivers could run intermediates for consistency and pit stop scheduling...or they could jump between hards and rains as the weather changes and probably make out just as well.
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ice racing

In the pouring rain I just ran back to back 2:39 on RH. It kinda resembled ice racing..slicker than ice. Racing rains...2:41 in the same rain storm. In my practice area. I really dislike the rain.

GeezerG
 
GeezerG123
ice racing
In the pouring rain I just ran back to back 2:39 on RH.
GeezerG
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Was that in an online lobby with tire wear on and traction control off? I couldn't run more than partial throttle on RH tires without spinning the drive wheels.
 
In my practice area.

Is it gonna be raining during qualifying next Tues?
 
it might be...weather will be dynamic. I strongly suggest trying it out in an online lobby with tcs off. I don't think you'll get a 2:40 in the rain on racing hard tires.
 
chuyler1
it might be...weather will be dynamic. I strongly suggest trying it out in an online lobby with tcs off. I don't think you'll get a 2:40 in the rain on racing hard tires.
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I don't believe anyone saying that.
 
BTK
I don't believe anyone saying that.
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It probably took me 3 minutes just to get past degner curve...and when I did a 720 on the hairpin I said eff this. The FF guys might be able to put down a reasonable lap on slicks in the rain...but it is literally like ice racing in a RWD car.
 
chuyler1
it might be...weather will be dynamic. I strongly suggest trying it out in an online lobby with tcs off. I don't think you'll get a 2:40 in the rain on racing hard tires.
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2:37.880 online RH pouring monsoon.
 
Nice Geezer...I'll test it with my G20 sometime soon. I think I'm up to around 460pp right now.. my downfall is choosing when to pit to change my tires... :P
 
GeezerG123
2:37.880 online RH pouring monsoon.
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TCS=off?
Grip Reduction=Real?
Tire Wear=on?

Maybe I need to try it again...or wait for the tires to warm up.
 
Is the grip reduction is set too low, it can be done, I don't see it with it set too real though.
 
I'm sorry Geezer, but now I believe you. I ran a 2.39 on Racing Rains with the EXACT same car as last week. I think I know how you did it, but I'll keep it too myself, but it should work with your power. I don't think your tires will last though.
 
2:39 in the rain on racing rain tires is completely doable... it is getting close to that on racing hard slicks that I am questioning. the slicks in the rain spin out when you apply more than 10-20% throttle.
 
I just did another practice online w/ RH on a really, really wet track in the bright sunshine. I could do no better than 2:45. The track is different at different times & wetness. If you can figure out the RH's you won't have to change tires (+30 sec.).
RR are just as slipery as RH's.

GeezerG
 
I'm gonna be practicing in my lobby in a few minutes if anyone wants to join me. Might be a little boring since I've got no mic.

EDIT: Just did a 2:23.915 on a dry lap with hards.
 
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Ha! I figured it out!!! While making a Go Kart drifting public room, I noticed my kart was hooking in the rain. I then tested my MGF at Suzuka in the rain. On racing hards I got a 2.39 on a junk tune. So...

Public lobbies have different physics than the lounge.
 
Geezer also has a spoiler which may help.
 
chuyler1
TCS=off?
Grip Reduction=Real?
Tire Wear=on?

Maybe I need to try it again...or wait for the tires to warm up.
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I did not have these settings set properly when online. RH in pouring rain is impossible w/ these settings. Wow what a diff. Sorry if I scared you all w/ those impossible times.
 
Ahahah...ok I was really scratching my head for a bit wondering what if I was possibly doing something wrong. So yeah, slicks+rain=donuts.
 
Also, Grenade said something about running the next race in a public room, but I say no. I've tested it, and hope that somebody else will, that public rooms have different tire physics than Lounges. I think if we ran it online, it would be who's car is faster than driver ability, because a Racing Hard runs just as good as a Racing Rain.
 
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