Lemons to Le Mans Tuesday Series

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diabolicwyvern
i think each season should stand alone. A persons postion in the final standings is car choice and tuning ability as much as it is skill. I think running a spec qualifying session is the best determination of skill. We shouldnt know the car or track till just before the session and it should be lobby vote. Or better yet, make the course one of the course creator tracks so its randomized.

Do you all want to sit here and play suzy homemaker with captain conundrum or do you wanna fight some crime??
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i wanna fight some crime.
 
by the way, I really like the idea of specifying which races everyone gets a specific piece of tech. It would allow everyone to focus on performance of their cars, vs the bits and pieces that actually make them driveable. I would really appreciate the full racing suspension on my car, but can't afford it right now, and risk being completely uncompetitive at La Sarthe if I do get it...ie: too heavy, not enough HP..etc.

It's forcing me to sacrifice running with the lead cars, in exchange for placing lower down and getting some more credits, which I guess makes sense..
 
The thread is active, and there are lots of ideas, I'll see if I can remember them all:

BTK, I like the idea of people picking their teammate(s). I don't want it to be completely random. I just don't want all the top drivers to pick each other and leave the rest of us out.

Again, we are just kicking around ideas. None of this is set, yet. We may come up with better ideas by the end of this season (another three weeks).

And yes, we all know you want Diabolic. ;) If we did three man teams, then it could be you, Diabolic, and Cujo. You'd have two As and a B.

As to Specific Parts at Specific Points: I don't like the idea. I know I can't tune a suspension, so I save my money for more power. I spent 30K this week on Engine Tuning - Stage 3. Someone better than me would've gotten the fully customizable suspension. Suzuka a very hard course with the HP I have. The understeer gets worse and worse with more power. A good set up could tame that and make the car much faster than 30 extra horses.

That idea does go back to a reason why I like the team idea. These two seasons have helped me become a better driver. Being teamed with some that can actually tune a suspension might help me learn how to do that, too.

Just a quick tangent, if we did teams, maybe we'd want to have the races every two weeks, so teams have time to practice. That would make a six race series last three months, though. I'm okay with that, but I'm older than most people here. My life is pretty stable in its routine.

Missing a race: Something else I was thinking was the idea of stand-in drivers. If you know you are going to miss the race, gift your car to someone (preferable from the Wednesday series or the 450 group) and have them race for you. I would say we limit how many times you can do this. To keep you from doing it too often for extra points. I don't mind replacement drivers when you can't make it. I just don't want you pulling a Jr. and calling Boris Said because you can't handle the road course.
 
I like that stand-in idea, Garris... I'm really all for that. Might be a good strategy to have 3, and 2 regular racers with 1 who can be strategically rotated in on a track they're better at though.
 
Substitute racers is a great idea.
 
I don't mind the idea of substitute drivers but if we did teams I think that would ruin it. It doesn't seem very challenging if you and somebody are working for points and also stand in drivers? I feel as if you don't even have too try.
 
what if everyone is doing it, and there's an even field..?
 
Garris, the Height Adjustable suspension usually offers huge improvements in handling without any additional setup work. I'm running it on both my Tuesday and Wednesday cars.
 
do you find it has much of a difference over the full-adjust sleight ?
 
pyxen
do you find it has much of a difference over the full-adjust sleight ?
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I can't really compare them. If I had a big enough budget I would go with Full Customize, but Height Adjustable offers a really good baseline setup for cheap.

With Height Adjustable I usually up the spring rates depending on the tire selection (stickier -> stiffer) and dial in camber as needed. I'd say it's worth at least half a second on any given track. I just wish it had adjustable sway bars.

With Full Customize I usually totally ditch whatever it had as default (because in my experience it sucks) and come up with something on my own.

Personally I'd like to see the suspension upgrades split up into components. Struts/Springs, Coilovers, Control Arms, Camber Plates, Bushings, etc...
 
Sleight, I'm running the Height-Adjustable. I did it last season, too. The only thing I change is the ride height. And this season, I left it alone at Tsukuba, and dropped it down at Monza.

I'm with you though, the suspension should be broken into multiple parts. I also remember in GT2 (the only other GT game I played) you could upgrade the brakes. I don't see why you can't in this game. Brake fade is a real issue.

I'm also annoyed at the number of cars that don't have aerokit options. There are some FD RX-7s that do and some that don't! WTF? It's the same body.

Anyway, I'm in my lounge, practicing. I have no idea what happened, but tonight, RHs in dry, I did a 2:23. It still torched my tires, and they would only last 6-8 laps. So I started holding back,and keeping them out of the red. I was doing 2:26s, but the tires were lasting longer.

Geezer joined and we turned on the water. With RIs I got 3:00 and with RRs I got 2:43. Those numbers may or may not be fast, I don't know. But Geezer was having tire wear. The RIs didn't wear for me at all, and the RRs wore very slowly. I'm almost wishing for 100% rain just so I can go with a 0-1 pit strategy.

I was thinking of going with RIs and never go with RRs, but at 17s a lap, I've recovered the pit stop in two laps. The problem will be running on RRs when the rain stops or RHs when the rain starts.

If I can just stay clean and not wreck at all, I think Tuesday will be a blast.
 
After lurking in this thread (and the wednesday thread) for a while, I must say that this series sounds awesome. I'd have loved to hop in the 374PP Celica that's almost the same as my first real-life car and join you.(though it sounds like FF cars have no chance due to tire wear issues, unfortunately. Maybe some equivalency formula for different drivetrains would help, I don't know)

I'm slightly bummed that you guys are mid-way through the season on both days, I might suggest staggering the 2 series in the future such that it's easier for new people to join.

I've been reading the ideas for next season, and I think the teams idea is great, especially since I suck at tuning and am fairly inexperienced in racing online, let alone longer races like these, so I could be paired with a more experienced driver.

I'm not completely worthless, as I've golded all the licenses and the 3 recent expert seasonals, but I feel like GT doesn't teach you how to race, it teaches you how to get a turn or a sector perfect, never mind if you crash-out in 50% of attempts. Or running the perfect 5 lap race when starting from dead last, restarting whenever you crash because you have no chance at winning, and this series really sounds like the opposite of that.

Anyway, I'd really love to get in on next season in one or both series, if not join someone for testing sessions or something before this season ends. I'll keep following both threads until then.
 
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I think the staggered start sounds like a good idea, but... I was thinking, the Wednesday and Tuesday series don't have to keep the same rules. Wednesday could stay solo and Tuesday could go to team.

If you are interested in joining though, I do recommend looking into the 450 series until the next season starts. You are also welcome to send me a friend request and hang out during the practices. I'll probably be practicing the next few nights. I don't have a chance at placing well at Monaco, so I'm trying really hard to do well (not crash) at Suzuka to make up points.

I do think that the FFs have some tire wear issues. But the trade-off is I didn't have to worry about oversteer earlier in the season with a car that had too much power for its suspension. If I had an FR this season, I would've been another Cujo.

I also think the FFs have a slight advantage in the rain. And, if I'm on RHs and the rain starts, I can make it back to the pits quicker than the FR/MRs. Testing last night, I was only marginally faster than just hitting the start button and letting the autopilot drive me in.
 
The Primera I'm running is FF and I think I'm solidly in the fight for the championship. What the FFs sacrifice in cornering they gain in straight line speed.
 
As slight said....don't discount the FFs. They start the season with more power and respond better to bolt-ons. However, if you don't push hard to shake a FR or MR car off your tail at the start of the race, they'll get by you on tire wear. It might seem frustrating but you just gotta race your own race and put down clean fast laps and avoid accidents.

The point system gives everyone a chance to be fast...and it really challenges the experts to squeeze time out of the corners. Whether we do teams or not, I will still be excited each week to see who my running mates will be.

Oh, and about the suspensions. Definitely not worth going fully custom. I did that last season and I simply wasn't able to squeeze out faster lap times with it compared to what I could have done with the height adjustable one. The game update mid-season didn't help either. I was stuck doing a 10 minute tune for Nurburgring after the physics model changed slightly.

I'm not crazy about the staggered start only because I like to use Tuesday as practice for Wednesday. My cars are different, but when you put 55 laps on a track in any car you learn something. My cars have been within 10pp of each other so it usually only takes a few laps to adjust my lines before I'm good to go.
 
I'd also like to add that, while my FF car is fast, I won't be picking FF next season. Because it sucks.
 
If that's not a glowing recommendation for FF, I don't know what is!
 
Well, don't count out FFs completely. The current standings after four races:

  1. 59 - MR - Toyota - Japan
  2. 46 - FF - Nissan - Japan
  3. 41 - FF - Peugeot - France
  4. 38 - MR - MG - UK
  5. 38 - FF - Eagle - US
  6. 36 - FF - Peugeot - France
  7. 34 - MR - Toyota - Japan
  8. 29 - FR - Mazda - Japan
  9. 26 - FR - Nissan - Japan
  10. 26 - FR - Nissan - Japan
  11. 25 - FR - Mazda - Japan
  12. 24 - FR - Volvo - Sweden
  13. 19 - FF - Infiniti - Japan

The first FR is in 8th place. All but one FF is ahead of all of the FRs. The FF in last started the season late.

Just some other random numbers:

  1. 98 - Nissan - 3 Entrants
  2. 93 - Toyota - 2 Entrants
  3. 77 - Peugeot - 2 Entrants
  4. 54 - Mazda - 2 Entrants
  5. 38 - MG - 1 Entrant
  6. 38 - Eagle - 1 Entrant
  7. 24 - Volvo - 1 Entrant
  8. 19 - Infiniti - 1 Entrant
 
Don't forget that I missed a whole race. So the MR's would be on top or almost on top.
 
BTK
Don't forget that I missed a whole race. So the MR's would be on top or almost on top.
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That is true. Also, only two FRs have made it all season.

Honestly though, the numbers are misleading. It is the story of ice cream causing stroke. One can make numbers say anything. The drivers who are in front very likely would still be in front if they had taken FRs (or even FFs for that matter). Since driver levels are not the same, and since we've had some absences, one can't really say that FRs are worse than FFs.

Besides, I don't think anyone really thinks that. The only that can truly be taken from the numbers are, consistency and ability matter more than drivetrain.

And it is easy to blow everyone else away at Monza when you've got bunches of Benjamins.
 
Yeah, missing from that is the driver...which plays a key role. I dont think drive train is as important as it may seem. If you dont place well, you will just get more power to place well the next race. But ff cars dont allow you to run consistent laps on long runs which can get annoying.
 
A RWD car gets more fun and challenging as its tires go away, a FF car just gets annoying.

That's my main reason for disliking it. :lol:



plus they cant do sideways
 
Anyone is welcome to join me tonight. I'm going to load the room with rain and variable and wait 30 minutes to start an 15 lap race. I'm just curious as to how much weather change we will get.

Also... something I am concerned about: the tires you start the race with are probably the ones you set on your car in the lobby, not the ones you were last using during qualifying. I don't know for sure, but I'm going to test that tonight.
 
Vol Jbolaz
Anyone is welcome to join me tonight. I'm going to load the room with rain and variable and wait 30 minutes to start an 15 lap race. I'm just curious as to how much weather change we will get.

Also... something I am concerned about: the tires you start the race with are probably the ones you set on your car in the lobby, not the ones you were last using during qualifying. I don't know for sure, but I'm going to test that tonight.
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When are you doing this? I'm watching FD at the moment but I'll join when it's over.
 
sl3ight
When are you doing this? I'm watching FD at the moment but I'll join when it's over.
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FD?

I'm logging in right now.
 
Vol Jbolaz
FD?

I'm logging in right now.
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Formula Drift :indiff:

I'm actually gonna pass, just realized my PS3 is hooked up to a different TV because I was watching a blu ray :lol:
 
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I didn't go through the full 15 laps, so I didn't get to see which tires it started me with for the race, but I think it was the ones I picked in the lobby. The problem is the weather.

It rained for just a few minutes. The track stays wet for a while. But it gets dryer and dryer each lap. It was nearly dry by the time the thirty minutes were up. There was no more rain. At all.

We can reset the room just before we start the race, but that means I take a provisional start. Everyone will simply start on RIs and run them for a while until they feel comfortable enough to switch to RHs. They'll run them to the end of the race. :(

I'm almost tempted to ask if everyone would rather just run in fixed rain.
 
I think fixed rain would be fine, but then everyone just runs RRs the whole time.
 
I say we just let the game decide the weather. Your single experience means nothing about what might happen on race night. I ran like half an hour of practice and it rained on and off the entire time. Set it to dynamic and whatever happens happens.

Open tire selection for the start of the race also.
 
sl3ight
I say we just let the game decide the weather. Your single experience means nothing about what might happen on race night. I ran like half an hour of practice and it rained on and off the entire time. Set it to dynamic and whatever happens happens.

Open tire selection for the start of the race also.
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That is what we are doing, but Huyler had a similar experience. I hope we have changing weather, but I'm not expecting it.
 
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