Lemons to Le Mans Tuesday Series

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This format favours those who can judge the surface conditions and change tires at the right time.. Ecen when it looks dry and sunny, everything is still greasy..
 
Im with sl3ight. After and hour and a half, it is bound to rain at least once. We might only get a lap or two of heavy rain but the track stays wet and shiney for a while before it is safe to switch over.

So just put it on dynamic when you open the room and we will go from there. Play it safe on intermediates...or take a chance with slicks. As i mentioned above, the five seconds per lap you gain on slicks can go away the second it starts raining because you'll end up doing donuts trying to keep the car on the road.
 
You had mentioned starting with rain and variable. I don't see a point to that, so we'll probably just start sunny and variable. If we start with rain it will just make the qualifying messy and not necessarily affect the race.
 
Just set the room up and leave it. 5 minutes before the race starts drivers should make sure they leave the track and install the appropriate tires. I think the weather will remain the same between the final minutes of qualifying and the race start....is that correct?
 
Gah, starting with rain, will level out the cars. The fast cars would burn through rain tires more quickly, but starting with dry, it may NEVER rain. And that means we're going too have all the super fast cars lead the whole race.
 
chuyler1
Just set the room up and leave it. 5 minutes before the race starts drivers should make sure they leave the track and install the appropriate tires. I think the weather will remain the same between the final minutes of qualifying and the race start....is that correct?
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Yes, it was my experience that the weather stayed the same and the level of track dryness was the same. I'm going to test again to make sure that the tires you pick remain the same and it doesn't go back to what you picked in the lobby.

BTK
Gah, starting with rain, will level out the cars. The fast cars would burn through rain tires more quickly, but starting with dry, it may NEVER rain. And that means we're going too have all the super fast cars lead the whole race.
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Starting the room with rain doesn't mean the race starts with rain, we will have 30 minutes of qualifying. I don't think it fair for anyone to leave the room to reset it to rain. They lose qualifying position. Might as well start in the sun so at least some of the qualifying is in the dry.

I don't have a problem with tire wear in the wet. It weirds me out that others do.
 
So, my question is.

Are we doing the RACE, in the rain. And just qualifying in the dry? or....?
 
BTK
So, my question is.

Are we doing the RACE, in the rain. And just qualifying in the dry? or....?
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The room will not have the "Fixed" flag set. So it will be free to change. I'll start the room "Sunny" so at least some of the qualifying will be in the sun. It is possible it will rain before anyone finishes a lap and rains the rest of the evening.

I don't expect that, but it is possible. And I would enjoy that.

I've seen the room go from rain to dry, and you can see the clouds clear. I wonder if the clouds roll in before it rains.
 
No, i think you have to at least select "rain" but dont select "fixed". That will allow it to change to rain randomly.

I'm going to run a test in a few minutes. Join my lobby if you want.
 
Ok...i did the following....

Set the track to rain (non fixed). It started raining immediately. During warm up, I got about 2 laps in with overcast sky and heavy rain, then it stopped. On lap 3 i switched to slicks to see if they would grip on the wet, but not raining track. They dont. I had to shift at about 2,000 rpm to keep the torque from breaking loose the tires. 30 mph through most turns, 60 mph on the straights. I ran another lap with intermediate rain tires and that was much better.

Started the 10 lap race. Track was just how i left it in qualifying, wet but not raining. On intermediate tires, i put down a best lap of 2:40. The track remained wet for all 10 laps but it did not rain again. Lap 5 i switched to rain tires to see how they gripped on the wet track. I put down a 1:38 but tire wear was much worse. I spun out once or twice but after only 2 laps there was noticable tire wear on my rear tires. Lap 10 i pitted one more time for racing hard tires. The track was still damp but they gripped just fine.

Conclusions....
1) even if it isnt actively raining, you still may need rain or intermediate tires
2) rain tires grip a little better than intermediate tires when it isnt actively raining, but they appear to wear a lot faster.
3) at some point after raining, it will be safe to switch to slicks...but it is unclear how soon. I essentially changed over 13 laps after the rain stopped but i might have been able to switch over sooner. You cant use tire mist to judge, since i still saw some on my final lap.
 
chuyler1
No, i think you have to at least select "rain" but dont select "fixed". That will allow it to change to rain randomly.

I'm going to run a test in a few minutes. Join my lobby if you want.
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I would hope that even if you pick Sunny and don't pick Fixed, it will still randomly rain. If you pick Rain, then all you are doing it promising a wet qualifying. If it stops raining immediately (as it has done twice now), then the course will be dry enough for RHs in 30 minutes, when the race starts*.

It is possible (though I haven't seen it, yet) that it will rain for more than 30 minutes and the race will start in the rain. But I suspect that is possible even if you start with Sunny and don't select Fixed. I suspect that it is possible that even starting Sunny without Fixed, it may rain quickly during qualifying and stop before the race starts.

*Mind you, it was dry enough for me in 30 minutes. FFs have a slight advantage in that they have weight on the drive wheels.

I'll probably be online again tonight.
 
Yeah, i suppose it doesnt matter if you select rain or sun as long as fixed isnt selected.
 
I loaded up a Sunny Non-Fixed room. It took about 40 minutes, but it did start raining. Ten minutes later, though, it was still a gentle rain. Not even enough for me to get out of my RHs.
 
I don't get what the big deal is :lol:

If it rains it rains, if it doesn't it doesn't.
 
WE WANT IT TOO RAIN. lol, or else I have don't have a shot in hell of winning.
 
Let the game decide... Set iy to rain / not fixed, and just go...
 
Rain rain go away, come again another day. Skyline plus rain don't mix. I fianlly got GT planet to work from phone after Android app crashed. Read through the days I missed. Is definitely have to hire a teammate. I'm quite inconsistent. But I would def stick with FR. I could be the cheese stands alone team and just get double points :-)
 
Skyline plus rain don't mix? You were having trouble as it is on the dry! I think you're just too heavy on the gas.
 
:lol: You can never be too hard on the gas! Ask Dom Toretto, he would know.
 
I hope I qualify behind Cujo tomorrow so I can have a front row seat to the gong show... LOL.
 
My upgrade list might be a couple hours late tomorrow. Just a heads up.
 
Cujos skyline.... Racing hard with rain falling first lap 2:23. Idk if that's fast, I spun the wheels a bit (hard to believe right) let me just say though I drive with the normal controller and throttle control isn't always easy. Often comes to tapping out a melody on the x button
 
Cujo 940
Cujos skyline.... Racing hard with rain falling first lap 2:23. Idk if that's fast, I spun the wheels a bit (hard to believe right) let me just say though I drive with the normal controller and throttle control isn't always easy. Often comes to tapping out a melody on the x button
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Not many people have given lap times. I don't think that is fast because that is what I do. Mind you, my tires will only do that for six, maybe 8, laps. So I've been doing 2:25s to save the tires.
 
If it is really raining and I can see water shooting off my car ill run 2:30-2:33 with racing hard so ill probably just stick with RH the whole night. The cars already always loose, so it doesn't really make much difference, rain just makes it drive like it had sports medium tires. No biggie
 
Cujo 940
If it is really raining and I can see water shooting off my car ill run 2:30-2:33 with racing hard so ill probably just stick with RH the whole night. The cars already always loose, so it doesn't really make much difference, rain just makes it drive like it had sports medium tires. No biggie
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That statement sounds like you didn't have the lobby settings correct. If you set grip reduction to "real" you cannot drive more than 60mph on racing hard tires. Using a button for throttle will have you doing donuts on the track. I'm serious. do some more practice and make sure grip reduction is set to 'real'.

I'm not sure what my lap times are in my Wednesday car. I'm going to pick some parts this evening for it before the tuesday race. I've got cash for one high performance bolt-on or downforce, suspension, and something small. I need to run some lap times to decide which is the better option.
 
It could also be that he was just driving in the start of a light rain. I've driven in rain for ten minutes in RHs without noticing. The rain never got really hard, and my car never generated any spray or rooster tails. I'm guessing that in addition to rain on or off, there is also heavy and light rain.

In a heavy rain, I could probably do 60 on the straights, but that is with a lot of wheel spin and weight on my drive wheels.
 
60 is relative to how daring you want to be. some of the tight turns I was going 15-25 mph and that was aggressive. i cruised in 4th to prevent wheelspin and shifted to 5th at even the slightest hit of spin. I'll give up a few seconds here and there to avoid spending 30 seconds in a sand trap.

Anyway, you are probably right. I haven't tested any light-rain.

So what's the plan for tonight? Open the room with sunny weather at 9:30 and just let it run its course?
 
chuyler1
60 is relative to how daring you want to be. some of the tight turns I was going 15-25 mph and that was aggressive. i cruised in 4th to prevent wheelspin and shifted to 5th at even the slightest hit of spin. I'll give up a few seconds here and there to avoid spending 30 seconds in a sand trap.

Anyway, you are probably right. I haven't tested any light-rain.

So what's the plan for tonight? Open the room with sunny weather at 9:30 and just let it run its course?
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Well, since I've been able to take all the corners without swapping ends in heavy rain, I don't need to be daring on the straight. I'm hoping for heavy rain at some point so I can put down some distance over the faster MR/FRs. Then when it dries out, I hope the extra power can keep me at the front of the FF pack.

Knowing me, I'll catch the grass or something when it is completely dry and sunny and put it into a wall.

Yes, I'll reset the room at 9:30 and just leave it sunny and not fixed. Hopefully it won't rain immediately so people can get some dry qualifying laps in. If it does rain, oh well. I can only hope it does stop. :)
 
i'm pretty decent in the rain on intermediate and rain tires. i still have to use restraint, but I'll be able to squeeze time out of a clean racing line. I just can't get caught in the rain on slicks. If it starts out sunny I may chance slicks at the start of the race, but the first hint of rain I'll be pitting for something else. In my MR, once the rear tires start slipping there is nothing i can do except hold on. It will literally drift around turn one sideways with no throttle or brake input.

BTW, there are two pit road entrances. One before the final chicane, and one after. given how narrow the first one is, I think we can safely use the 2nd one without interrupting anyone's driving. You can enter pit road at full throttle after exiting the chicane so if someone is behind you, you should interfere with slowing down.

Exiting pit road, please do not cross the white line. Maintain an inside line through the first apex of turn 1 and watch your rearview. You'll have to go significantly slower than anyone on the track with cold tires and an inside line so be cautious. Cars come down the straight very fast so don't cross the line thinking it is clear to do so and don't track-out one someone who is running faster than you after the first apex...unless you want to get rammed off the track.
 
chuyler1
i'm pretty decent in the rain on intermediate and rain tires. i still have to use restraint, but I'll be able to squeeze time out of a clean racing line. I just can't get caught in the rain on slicks. If it starts out sunny I may chance slicks at the start of the race, but the first hint of rain I'll be pitting for something else. In my MR, once the rear tires start slipping there is nothing i can do except hold on. It will literally drift around turn one sideways with no throttle or brake input.
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Sorry, that is what I'm hoping. It starts sunny and we all get caught on RHs in a heavy rain. I think the FFs will make it back to pit first.
 
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