Lots of Games have it Now. Should GT 5 have a Rewind Option?

[RACECAR]

 

[Seismica]

Restart race helps me win. I might have to restart 10 times, but that's ok.

In GT3 and GT4 you could not restart, you could only quit and then start the race again. There are two problems with this. 1: If you are in a championship, you can't re-do the race without re-doing the whole championship. 2: It counts as a loss in your statistics, which is very very bad

You could really cheat and save it before each race and load it if you don't win, so you always have 100% wins.

Rewind doesn't guarantee that you win at all, it helps on your way to victory though. Although i think the ability to press on through your errors and misjudgements and still come out on top is better than having a rewind feature, so you don't have to.

Remember this is GT5P, if it follows the previous games you will not be able to rewind/restart in simulation/Gran Turismo mode. But i would like rewind to be introduced in Arcade mode. In that respect it would be a good feature. But in career mode, no chance in hell.

 

[Bogie 19th]

I just want it optional in any mode for those of use who would like to use it. If not, I can live without. I have till now.

 

[McLaren]

Nice job trying to play mind games.

I know your trying to be a mod, and you think you are putting on a good show by trying to "straighten" me out.

Sucks, because I've seen alot of good members go bad fast shortly before and after they became mods. Messes with alot of people.

I'm not trying to be anything.

I'm sorry you have to resort to another assumption, & try to take a debate off topic for the 60th time, but it's time to stop. You just continue to pass on your assumptions as fact, and make up new things to drive away from the original topic. You like to do so.

With that, consider me done. You'll see this is why I've gone and ahead not bothering to quote anything else because there's no point. And you can go ahead and get your brain to accumulate another series of poor arguments & dip more into the "I'm trying to be a mod" even though that has nothing to do with the topic and shows you're merely grasping for air while you continue to dwindle down into more piss-crap arguments.

So, with that, have fun with your reply, and enjoy wasting whatever time you spend doing so. I'll just let you know now I'm going to skim over it, and read the part where you might try to reply to this last bit in some sort of fashion attempting to be witty & clever, while in reality, I'll just sit and laugh, leaving others here to continue breaking down your argument.

Again, have fun with that, and g'day.

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

Rewinds kill the point of a sim plain and simple..

"And Herer they come round the first cona,
Numba 48 haus just taken tha league.

Oh an whats this the car's are all going backwads.
And now numba 34 has just taken tha league.

...I misspelled on purpose to sound "Brittish" no offence.
Listen to it in your head a few times...

Then you will understand.

 

[Seismica]

Rewinds kill the point of a sim plain and simple..

"And Herer they come round the first cona,
Numba 48 haus just taken tha league.

Oh an whats this the car's are all going backwads.
And now numba 34 has just taken tha league.

...I misspelled on purpose to sound "Brittish" no offence.
Listen to it in your head a few times...

Then you will understand.

I don't get it.

Probably a southern accent, thats why. I'm from Northern England, only the South East has the 'Proper English' accent.

 

[Earth]

I'm not trying to be anything.

Could've fooled me. Your constantly policing people on this forum who say the slightest thing against Forza. While in the Forza 3 thread I see you doing nothing but praising it. But in the GT5 forum you try and tear down anyone who exposes Dan Greenwalt as a liar. You keep your motives for doing this under wraps, and for good reason. Your motive, if your not trying to be a moderator, is to tear down GT5 and built Forza 3 up.

I'm sorry you have to resort to another assumption, & try to take a debate off topic for the 60th time, but it's time to stop.

Time to stop now that you've been proven wrong? That's a lousy way to back out of a discussion. It's time to stop once both sides come to a middle ground. This may never happen any time soon, sadly, but I'm willing to continue on as long as I can. You, so far, have refused to budge off of arguments that hold very little footing. It can be argued that your own personal arguments have led to more off topic discussion then mine, but of course you put all the blame on me.

You just continue to pass on your assumptions as fact, and make up new things to drive away from the original topic. You like to do so.

Once again, accusing me of passing assumptions on as fact when almost everyone in this thread has done so. And again, accusing me of driving this things off topic when others have as well. Just because I use alot of illustrations does not mean I am driving things off topic. I do so to help get my point across better. Just because you or someone else may pick it up and run does not mean I am trying to drive things off topic.

With that, consider me done.

Why are you done? You can't leave in the middle of a discussion, especially when your losing. If you admitted defeat then said your done, fine. But you haven't.

You'll see this is why I've gone and ahead not bothering to quote anything else because there's no point.

Again, instead of responding to my comments you brush them off and say there is no point in doing so because you want others to assume they are automatically wrong.

And you can go ahead and get your brain to accumulate another series of poor arguments & dip more into the "I'm trying to be a mod" even though that has nothing to do with the topic and shows you're merely grasping for air while you continue to dwindle down into more piss-crap arguments.

Prove they are poor arguments. I think they are great arguments because you can't or refuse to reply to them. I'm not grasping for air. Those promoting rewind are. They are the ones who have the uphill battle fighting the overwhelming majority who do not want rewind. They are the ones who should spend the most time making their argument because they are in the vast minorityy. Yes, even 63% is the vast minority, whether you want to believe it or not.

So, with that, have fun with your reply, and enjoy wasting whatever time you spend doing so.

Once again you bash my reply even before it is made. You can't discredit someone before they are even given a chance, which you like to do alot. That's a pretty cheap way to make your arguments seem better then others.

I'll just let you know now I'm going to skim over it, and read the part where you might try to reply to this last bit in some sort of fashion attempting to be witty & clever, while in reality, I'll just sit and laugh, leaving others here to continue breaking down your argument.

Again, have fun with that, and g'day.

Well it seems you've found that there is no more sense in arguing for rewind in Gran Turismo. Good for you.

 

[C-ZETA]

I don't care if it is included, nor if it isn't.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Could've fooled me. Your constantly policing people on this forum who say the slightest thing against Forza.

How is that any different than your constant policing people on this forum that say the slightest positive thing about Forza or negative thing about GT?

Nothing. It's called double standards. Granted, you have been here longer than me by ages, but based on your conversation with McLaren, you want your way only.

 

[Devedander]

Rewinds kill the point of a sim plain and simple..

"And Herer they come round the first cona,
Numba 48 haus just taken tha league.

Oh an whats this the car's are all going backwads.
And now numba 34 has just taken tha league.

...I misspelled on purpose to sound "Brittish" no offence.
Listen to it in your head a few times...

Then you will understand.

And look now govnah, a gigantic pause sybol has popped up over tha track and all the cahs are suddenly back at the staht line! Whots this now? A giant stripy line has suddenly appeared on the track and it change colour as they drive! Mahvelous, simply mahvelous!

Oh my, the drivah has now gotten out of the cah and is being replaced by a robot, the driver is sitting on the sides having a spot of tea and watching the robot win the race for him while he occasionally tells the robot to speed up and slow down, genious!


Long and the short of it, it's a game.

 

[Earth]

How is that any different than your constant policing people on this forum that say the slightest positive thing about Forza or negative thing about GT?

Nothing. It's called double standards. Granted, you have been here longer than me by ages, but based on your conversation with McLaren, you want your way only.

I dont think I police people

And when it comes to rewind, yes, I want my way and I should have my way as I see no way Kaz will implement it. Nothing he has done in the past has shown him to copy other games. He himself says he makes GT out to what he wants it to be, not what other games are.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Whatever works for ya man. I can't take away your desires, thoughts or opinions.

He hasn't copied other games? Ok 👍

 

[Smoke&Slide]

Damn i ticked the wrong box, i still think rewind should NOT be in the game.

 

[RACECAR]

Finally, its over. This movie felt like it was never gonna end.

 

[turbomp301]

There seems to be a common misconception about what a sim is. A sim is not meant to replicate reality. A sim is meant to replicate aspects of reality. That is the key. You don't see any so called sim making you pack up your car in a truck, drive it to the track, unload it, push it into the pits, fuel it, drive it out onto the track, do a warm up lap, and find your spot on the grid. Most of that would be tedious stuff. No one claims that magically appearing in the right spot on the starting grid is unsim like. Why? Because the sim isn't trying to replicate those aspects of reality. A sim lets you skip those aspects of reality that you don't want to deal with. With that in mind if you want to simulate doing turn 9 of track x what is unsim like about using rewind to do it? Nothing, it is letting you skip aspects of reality that you want to skip at the time (turns 1-8 and 10-40) so you can concentrate on what you want to at that time. Simulations have a lot of potential as learning tools because they allow you to do things that can't be done in real life. If people continue to take a narrow view of what a simulation is, that potential will remain untapped.

Have you heard of Lucas Ordonez?

I think GT is already a great learning tool without rewind.

 

[Exorcet]

Have you heard of Lucas Ordonez?

I think GT is already a great learning tool without rewind.

Clearly, GT can never be improved after the release of 5 games!

 

[turbomp301]

Clearly, GT can never be improved after the release of 5 games!

i disagree

 

[Exorcet]

i disagree

Then let's add rewind to help Mr. Ordonez (or the next Mr.Ordonez) get even better.

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

Then let's add rewind to help Mr. Ordonez (or the next Mr.Ordonez) get even better.

Rewind is NOT an improvement....it's a step backwards.

(And yes, pun was very much intended)

 

[Seismica]

And look now govnah, a gigantic pause sybol has popped up over tha track and all the cahs are suddenly back at the staht line! Whots this now? A giant stripy line has suddenly appeared on the track and it change colour as they drive! Mahvelous, simply mahvelous!

Oh my, the drivah has now gotten out of the cah and is being replaced by a robot, the driver is sitting on the sides having a spot of tea and watching the robot win the race for him while he occasionally tells the robot to speed up and slow down, genious!


Long and the short of it, it's a game.

I repeatedly feel as if i am completely ignored on this forum. One of the main arguments for the rewind feature is that you can restart the race, so why not rewind as it saves time?

I direct you to this:

In GT3 and GT4 you could not restart, you could only quit and then start the race again. There are two problems with this. 1: If you are in a championship, you can't re-do the race without re-doing the whole championship. 2: It counts as a loss in your statistics, which is very very bad

The only reason you can restart in GT5P is because it is a prologue, a series of challenging races to give you a taste of the game. It is by no means a career mode, so PD decided to put the restart race feature in, as most races in prologue are similar to the race challenges in GT4. They did not expect you to complete the races first time.

I highly doubt the pause - restart feature will be in career mode on GT5 Gran Turismo/simulation mode. It will be in Arcade mode though, which is why i have no objection to rewind in arcade mode.

Also, B-spec mode was introduced in the same game as the 24 hour race. This is not a coincidence, PD didn't expect you to keep your ps2 on for 24+ hours. So they allowed you to switch with an AI driver, which you could speed up to save time.

 

[Nicko]

I would not like a rewind mode in GT5 nor would I use it. If you make a mistake then you must continue, in real life you can't simply rewind if you spin off the track or have a crash!

A rewind option during replays would be highly useful though.

 

[AvanGard]

I would not like a rewind mode in GT5 nor would I use it. If you make a mistake then you must continue, in real life you can't simply rewind if you spin off the track or have a crash!

A rewind option during replays would be highly useful though.

Same, 👍

p.s restart is more than enough...

 

[Zathra5_]

Have you heard of Lucas Ordonez?

I think GT is already a great learning tool without rewind.

Going with the Chewbacca defense, I see.

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

Going with the Chewbacca defense, I see.

I think his point was that this "untapped potential as learning tools" that Zathra mentioned hasn't been proven to exist because, as seen in Lucas Ordonez's case, he's already successfully made the leap to pro racing and done extremely well in it....So exactly how much better can a simulator prepare him to be? And would rewind have made Ordonez any better?

I doubt it.

 

[Devedander]

I think his point was that this "untapped potential as learning tools" that Zathra mentioned hasn't been proven to exist because, as seen in Lucas Ordonez's case, he's already successfully made the leap to pro racing and done extremely well in it....So exactly how much better can a simulator prepare him to be? And would rewind have made Ordonez any better?

I doubt it.

As I said, some people are naturally talented. Not everyone benefits from a baseball T, some people just have great hand eye coordination.

The fact that some people excel without it does not mean it's not a useful tool. That is a flawed assumption to make.

 

[pricey2003]

Not everyone benefits from a baseball T, some people just have great hand eye coordination.

I have just pictured my favorite sports games featuring rewind


OMG please no!

 

[Zathra5_]

I think his point was that this "untapped potential as learning tools" that Zathra mentioned hasn't been proven to exist because, as seen in Lucas Ordonez's case, he's already successfully made the leap to pro racing and done extremely well in it....So exactly how much better can a simulator prepare him to be? And would rewind have made Ordonez any better?

I doubt it.

Of course the "untapped potential as learning tools" hasn't been proven. that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Its use would be consistant with what we know about motor learning so there is reason to believe that it might.

The argument about Lucas Ordonez is useless. 1. Who said it was necessary to use rewind to be a good race car driver? 2. I wasn't aware that Lucas was currently the best racer in the world and couldn't get better. 3. We have no idea whether he would be better or not with features such as rewind. 4. Even if he wouldn't benefit it doesn't mean that others wouldn't.

 

[Lucas]

I dont think I police people

As I don't think McLaren or the others do.

And when it comes to rewind, yes, I want my way and I should have my way as I see no way Kaz will implement it. Nothing he has done in the past has shown him to copy other games. He himself says he makes GT out to what he wants it to be, not what other games are.

So if he makes GT out to what he wants it to be, why should he be bothered about the very minority not buying GT5 if it includes rewind? After all, he isn't in this business for the money, but because he wanted to make a game he would enjoy, right? I doubt that, if he enjoys rewind (not that he does), he won't include it because an almost inexistent amount of people won't buy the game. He would ultimately include it because he makes GT out to what he wants it to be.

I repeatedly feel as if i am completely ignored on this forum. One of the main arguments for the rewind feature is that you can restart the race, so why not rewind as it saves time?

I direct you to this:

I understand what you mean, but isn't retiring from a race and doing it again to win "restart it"? At least that's what I thought.

Does anyone here truly believe that if Kaz ever plans to include Rewind in GT5, we will be able to use it anywhere and at anytime? GT fans? Really? That's what you think?

Also, B-spec mode was introduced in the same game as the 24 hour race. This is not a coincidence, PD didn't expect you to keep your ps2 on for 24+ hours. So they allowed you to switch with an AI driver, which you could speed up to save time.

Though I agree with this, it could be said that rewind wasn't included in any game to win each and every race with it. The same way one can choose to do the 24 hour races without B-Spec.



Anyways, people, why can't you see it? As you, Seismica, I repeatedly feel as if I am completely ignored on this forum. No, not this forum. This subforum. What's so wrong about people wanting something in a game that you don't want them to have it? I never liked the amount of Skylines in GT4. Does that mean I would like the number to be reduced? No, because some people like them. What I would like, however, is to balance the amount of Skylines with equal amounts of other cars.

I understand that rewind is unrealistic, but so is to enter a race without having to pay to enter, or having a racing line appear magically, and so on. You always have the option to ignore rewind. Anyone can do whatever they want with their games, it won't affect you.

I have made my opinion know about my dislike towards some paint jobs that result horrible to me, which is the reason I proposed my idea that there's should be some way to hide them for me, while other people online can still see them. Rewind won't work online, and I can say that is a fact because it is stupid to think that one person will be able to rewind another's race.

So why can't we all just get along?

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

As I said, some people are naturally talented. Not everyone benefits from a baseball T, some people just have great hand eye coordination.

Did GT help Ordonez make the leap, or was he just naturally talented?

That's a tangent to be explored another day. The question is, would rewind make GT a better instruction tool?

The fact that some people excel without it does not mean it's not a useful tool. That is a flawed assumption to make.

If you want to prove rewind makes for a better racing instruction tool, you'd have to prove that a person can make the leap to pro racing while using rewind. GT has already done that without it, so I don't see where is this "untapped potential" that rewind would fill.

Of course the "untapped potential as learning tools" hasn't been proven. that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Its use would be consistant with what we know about motor learning so there is reason to believe that it might.

You gotta have some basis to say GT's potential as a learning tool is "untapped" since GT's already done it. That's what this whole thing is about.

And rewind is NOT consistent with what we know about motor racing, because it doesn't exist in real life. Practicing laps several times IS consistant with what we know about racing instruction because that's exactly what the pros do to learn a track.

The argument about Lucas Ordonez is useless. 1. Who said it was necessary to use rewind to be a good race car driver? 2. I wasn't aware that Lucas was currently the best racer in the world and couldn't get better. 3. We have no idea whether he would be better or not with features such as rewind. 4. Even if he wouldn't benefit it doesn't mean that others wouldn't.

1. You did say rewind could make GT a better teaching tool. There's no basis for that anywhere. As I see it, rewind is a bailout feature to keep those easily frustrated interested. 2. His progress is consistent with drivers who have as many real world miles as he has GT miles. 3. Then don't go around saying rewind would make GT a better instruction tool without knowing if it would be any help or if it's just filler material. 4. The question is, has ANYBODY benefited from rewind?

 

[Zimmerd]

I don't want to see this thread anymore!
It's obvious the majority doesn't like the idea.

Point final