Monaco Grand Prix

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Greycap
Would you like to tell me (and many others) why the man, who is often said to be the greatest F1 driver ever, who has won in Monaco for so many times, makes a simple mistake and turns in so early that he has no hopes of making it?

He was on the hard bridgestone tyres, we've already seen him struggling with them in Australia. He was pushing hard.

Greycap
And one more thing, if the front brakes lock, the rear end shouldn't step out - the car should go straight. Schumacher has always been known to be an excellent braker, tapping the brakes on the verge of locking so I can't se why he wouldn't have been able to do it this time.

When the car is already turning (thus loaded with laterally) and you lock the fronts or rears, the car is going to slide. If he was driving in a straight line and he locked the fronts he'd go straight on. However, he was turning and obviously on the limit of adhesion (which, in an F1 car, is obviously high, even at low speeds with little downforce).

Greycap
To add to the whole thing, he wasn't on a fast lap when this happened, so he had no reason to push really hard.

He was only two tenths down on his fastest lap at the second sector on the lap he had the incident. I'd like to see if you could do a lap within 2 tenths of your best without pushing.

Greycap
This sounded quite hostile but that wasn't my point.

- R -

Meh.
 
It's so obvious he's "missing" that corner on purpose. He very well knew his second attempt was lost and Alonso still had to come around on a flying lap. If you look at the in-car footage you can see very clearly he's steering the car to wide while he's in full controll :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck:
 
Raf Laureys
It's so obvious he's "missing" that corner on purpose. He very well knew his second attempt was lost and Alonso still had to come around on a flying lap. If you look at the in-car footage you can see very clearly he's steering the car to wide while he's in full controll :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck:
So true. Notice how slow he was going when the tire finally locks up? Then, there was no reason to turn the car to the left as hard as he did once the tire did lock up. He stole the pole. So, it's time to just move on, and hope Alonso can beat the cheat in the first turn. I doubt he will, but it would be sweet to see.
 
Yeah Schumi's 'accident' did look a wee bit dodgy, but blimey, Alonso could easially have made it alot worse, he went in there full pelt :lol:

Schumacher has been called up the stewards so it's not over by a long shot yet.
 
Another good one:

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- I'm going to kill him.
 
Haha well, if Schumi keeps his pole, Turn 1 is going to be intresting tomorrow..

Might I just add, what a great performance by Mark Webber, beating both McMercs and a Renault in 3rd place, a tenth off Alonso.
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Maybe Schumacher and Alonso will run each other over at the first turn, then Mark Webber goes on to win the race.

...I'm beginning to think Renault wouldn't mind sacrificing Alonso just for the chance of leveling their Public Enemy Number One...and I'm not completely sure Alonso himself would mind it either.
 
Greycap
Would you like to tell me (and many others) why the man, who is often said to be the greatest F1 driver ever, who has won in Monaco for so many times, makes a simple mistake and turns in so early that he has no hopes of making it?

....

- R -

Well, that's easy.


He was looking at the tits in Red Bull's swimming pool.
 
I shoulda known you'd say that...back to the race...

Over/under on the number of cars caught in the Alonso/Schumacher first-turn crossfire?

I say at least 8.
 
21?! I'd rather not have a repeat of our GP last year...

Not a good way to win fans, by only having six cars running...just imagine having to watch ONE single car tooling around...not even a good one, at that!
 
Villeneuve leads Schu criticism
Saturday, 27, May, 2006, 20:56


Michael Schumacher’s claims that his miscue in the final moments of qualifying was accidental have not convinced all of his fellow drivers.

Soon after moving to the top of the timing charts the Ferrari driver ran wide at Rascasse and brought out the yellow flags, just as his key rivals were in the midst of their final flying laps.

Schumacher insisted he had simply made a mistake, but several of his competitors felt that explanation was stretching credulity.

Jacques Villeneuve, a nemesis of Schumacher’s since their notorious clash at Jerez in 1997, ridiculed the German’s pleas of innocence.

And while he maintained that Schumacher’s actions were intentional, Villeneuve said he couldn’t understand the logic behind them as they were bound to backfire.

“I hope it was deliberate, because if that was a mistake he should not even have an F1 superlicence,” JV told reporters.

“If you can make a mistake like that, you shouldn’t drive a race car. There’s no way you could make a mistake like that.

“It’s the kind of thing I couldn’t dream of doing myself.

“I don’t know what goes through your mind when you decide to do that, when you know that the rest of the world can see.

“I don’t understand it, it’s stupid. He didn’t need to do that, he’s a seven-times world champion, he was on pole position.

“Why do that? It’s only going to make him look bad.

“This is embarrassing. Embarrassing for a world champion. It would even be embarrassing for [Yuji] Ide [who had his superlicence removed earlier in the season].”

Williams driver Mark Webber was more circumspect in his comments, saying that only Schumacher would know whether he had blocked the track on purpose or not.

“I understand the second sector was well down,” Webber was quoted as saying by autosport.com.

“You could say he was trying very, very hard in the last sector, but it looks like there’s been two moves on the steering wheel from what I’ve heard.

“Obviously if it is intentional it is childish, isn’t it? It looks a bit tricky to be honest.

“Senna did some pretty wild things because he believed that was right. But will Michael sleep well tonight? Who knows?”

But Webber said that if Schumacher was found guilty of foul play the FIA should throw the book at him.

“If it’s deliberate it’s absolutely rubbish,” he said.

“It’s massively below the belt and if that’s the case he should definitely lose all his qualifying.”

McLaren duo Kimi Raikkonen and Juan Pablo Montoya were both unimpressed with Schumacher’s denials.

“I don’t believe that he really had any problems,” Raikkonen was quoted as saying by Reuters.

Montoya added: “Was it really a mistake? I’m not so sure.”

In spite of the cynical reaction of some of his rivals, Schumacher remains adamant that he did nothing wrong and simply made a routine driving error.

Speaking in the post-qualifying press conference, he suggested those casting doubt on his motives were simply adopting a partisan viewpoint.

“Your enemies they believe one thing and the people that support you believe another thing and that is what our sport is about,” he said.


The incident is currently under investigation by the FIA stewards. A ruling is expected imminently.
 
I want to see him cry like he did after he was found guilty on the villeneuve incident.

I've never been a schumi fan, but I'm now a Schumi hater.
 
Could anyone please supply me with a gif of the slide?
 


It's really hard not to believe it's done on purpose after watching that... He just had to do a slight correction instead of that uber slow counter-steering move at the end. Un-freaking-believable.

So far, almost everyone seems to think it was deliberate: other drivers, managers, Jackie Steward, Keke Rosberg, most tv crew...

Here is how it ended. It seems true that he had no choice but to back up, at least:



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Thanks so much for posting that, Carl. Those giggles from the Hobbs and Matchett are so damn funny! I just love it!
 
I have not seen the tiniest little mistake in any race from MS this season. Considering that, it's too much of a coincidence that it happens just in that very moment if you ask me.

Regards
the Interceptor
 
That's all I needed to hear...

When you want to know if something is screwy, Speed TV's crew will tell you...I've gotta be sure to watch the show tonight...hahaha...
 
^^ Corrected (just put "VO4k7DMG3fg" in the tags):



I'll admit that this video looks less incriminating than the slow motion one, but that still looks like a very dumb mistake, something I certainly wouldn't expect from MS.
 
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