Motorcycles in GT5?

[CyborgGT]

Thats the point though pointless trying to make you see sence as you wont listene to any body else. I have posted up Wiki's low down on the meaning of Gran Turismo and every time I do you post a GSX-F touring motor bike telling us that Gran turismo is about GSX-F's as well as car racing, sorry but you have not prooved me wrong at all. All you have prooved is your lack to read what is in front of you.

I'm listening perfectly, but you're acting like an ignorant child. You're trying to prove that "grand tourer" only refers to cars by showing me some info from a website that anyone and their cat can submit information to. While the information is good and all, nowhere does it say that it "only" (as in exclusively; this boggles your mind, I know) refers to cars. Then I go about showing you solid proof that the phrase can refer to motorcycles (as well as other things), which you choose to deny. It's like you're selectively ignoring parts of what I say.

And the reason for GT selling better than Tourist Trophy is more people are like me in the fact that bike games suck, as they dont provide you with the emersion into real bike racing, due to rubbish controls.

And why would PD develop 2 games, all they would have to do is model the bikes and make the phisics, and then use the GT5 engine. (like they used the gt4 engine with tourist trophy)

And it's not Rocket Science to figure out why 2 games is better than one. but again you seem to have missed the bit about 2 games making twice the prothet.

You don't realize that it costs a ton of money these days to develop a game. Yes, the graphics and tracks may have been copied, but GT4 and TT obviously didn't use the same physics engines, both of which had to be built from the ground up. That costs money. It's also impossible to make twice the profit when one game is considerably lagging behind the other in sales. If people bought Tourist Trophy because they were fans of bikes, and they liked the game, they'll get GT5 because it'll be the same style, therefore boosting GT5's sales to more than what they would have been without bikes.

If they make Tourist Trophy 2 they will use GT5 take out the cars and add in the bikes. Like I said it will take just as long to model motorbikes for GT5 as it would for them to model them for tourist trophy 2

Exactly, it would take less time to put the bikes and physics engine into GT5 than to create a whole new package to put them in.

Oh and one more thing.

I suggest you look on the front cover of tourist trophy.

Tourist Trophy: The Real Riding Simulator

Gran Turismo: The Real Driving Simulator

seems only you feel that ride a car. pd seem to think you drive a car and ride a motorbike, i agree with them on this.

Yes, you've pointed out the "driving vs riding" thing already. They're the same damn thing, quick nitpicking! You selectively ignored my response to that as well. TT was released a full year after GT4, and without DLC support for PS2, it was kinda impossible to add them in. Development on bikes had to have started far too late for them to delay GT4 even further. In the end, it's cheaper and faster for developers, and more convenient to their customers, to put two games into one package.

*EDIT* - I did miss your post, yaywalter. Glad to see someone agrees.

 

[rofajole]

Bicycles in Gran Turismo!

I know, odd....but if it has "GT" in the name, it must be included, right?

HAHAHa nice one +1
I could just see one guy with the big racing uniform and the helmet and it all riding this bike. hahaha

 

[Ghost_drift]

LMAO I give up you win put bikes in gt5. I realy dont have the energy any more. the only person selectivly hearing is you. you missed every point I expressed only listening to your own opinions.

And the phisics engine has nothing to do with the Game Engine just so you know they are totaly different things. if they where the same thing then every car would handle the same. So saying that they will have to develop a hole new game is totaly wrong, but then you already know that as in the same post where you say they couldnt put bikes in the same engine, you said that yes they will. so witch is it you can or you cant. lol

And the reason bikes wernt put into GT4 is the whole reason we have been discusing. and the same reason I have been trying to get you to understand.

Gran turismo is a driving simulator for cars and tourist trophy is a riding simulator for bikes. both different games. So keep bikes out of GT5 or make it a DLC so I dont have to have them.

Or just wait for a tourist trophy 2 if they make it, witch if they do, will be better than having a few bikes in my beloved CAR racing game.

 

[Lain]

LMAO I give up you win put bikes in gt5. I realy dont have the energy any more. the only person selectivly hearing is you. you missed every point I expressed only listening to your own opinions.

And the phisics engine has nothing to do with the Game Engine just so you know they are totaly different things. if they where the same thing then every car would handle the same. So saying that they will have to develop a hole new game is totaly wrong, but then you already know that as in the same post where you say they couldnt put bikes in the same engine, you said that yes they will. so witch is it you can or you cant. lol

And the reason bikes wernt put into GT4 is the whole reason we have been discusing. and the same reason I have been trying to get you to understand.

Gran turismo is a driving simulator for cars and tourist trophy is a riding simulator for bikes. both different games. So keep bikes out of GT5 or make it a DLC so I dont have to have them.

Or just wait for a tourist trophy 2 if they make it, witch if they do, will be better than having a few bikes in my beloved CAR racing game.

I hope you're not trying to suggest that every car in GT has it's own physics engine...

All cars in all the GT games (except the F2007) use the exact same engine of whatever particular edition of GT they are in, only inputting different parameters into the engine, resulting in different output by said engine.

And to make this post relevant to the thread...

Honestly, who on earth wouldn't want to essentially get TT2 free with GT5?
Or, more likely the case... who'd rather pay $60 for TT2 on blu-ray than pay $10-40 for a TT add-on to GT5?

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

Cars and bikes are two completely different types of vehicles period. Forget the "GT" denomination (I've seen laptops with GT in their name!), you can put a label on anything without having anything to do with the actual meaning of it. Never has there been a racing series pitting cars against bikes. Sure, for the consumer value it's better to have 2 games in one, so would it be to have Killzone 2, God of War 3 and Gran Turismo all in one game....but it just won't work, no matter how much cheaper it is that way.

Yes, you've pointed out the "driving vs riding" thing already. They're the same damn thing, quick nitpicking! You selectively ignored my response to that as well. TT was released a full year after GT4, and without DLC support for PS2, it was kinda impossible to add them in. Development on bikes had to have started far too late for them to delay GT4 even further. In the end, it's cheaper and faster for developers, and more convenient to their customers, to put two games into one package.

*EDIT* - I did miss your post, yaywalter. Glad to see someone agrees.

Yamauchi never intended to merge TT into GT4; I don't know where you're pulling this information. Tourist Trophy has always been it's own project independant from the GT series.

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

Honestly, who on earth wouldn't want to essentially get TT2 free with GT5?
Or, more likely the case... who'd rather pay $60 for TT2 on blu-ray than pay $10-40 for a TT add-on to GT5?

How about:

Who'd rather get more cars for a car game than getting bikes in a car game?

 

[Ghost_drift]

I hope you're not trying to suggest that every car in GT has it's own physics engine...

All cars in all the GT games (except the F2007) use the exact same engine of whatever particular edition of GT they are in, only inputting different parameters into the engine, resulting in different output by said engine.

And to make this post relevant to the thread...

Honestly, who on earth wouldn't want to essentially get TT2 free with GT5?
Or, more likely the case... who'd rather pay $60 for TT2 on blu-ray than pay $10-40 for a TT add-on to GT5?

I am sorry I missed the part in my post where I said each car has its own phisics engine. lol. It is the same on the PC you have a small file with Parameters. usualy 0 and 1's and they all tell the Phisics engine what to do when you say hit the brakes, all the cars have a file and they all tell the Phisics engine what to do with the car. basicaly telling him that PD wont need a new game engine only a new phisics engine. i thought I made that pritty clear. and for every bike a different Phisics file to tell the engine how it should go and handle.

So nothing about cars having there own engines. But hay it wouldnt be the first time people on this thread see things that arnt there.

 

[Lain]

I am sorry I missed the part in my post where I said each car has its own phisics engine. lol. It is the same on the PC you have a small file with Parameters. usualy 0 and 1's and they all tell the Phisics engine what to do when you say hit the brakes, all the cars have a file and they all tell the Phisics engine what to do with the car. basicaly telling him that PD wont need a new game engine only a new phisics engine. i thought I made that pritty clear. and for every bike a different Phisics file to tell the engine how it should go and handle.

So nothing about cars having there own engines. But hay it wouldnt be the first time people on this thread see things that arnt there.

I know you didn't flat out say that each car had it's own physics engine, but it could be interpreted that way. That's why I said that I hope you weren't implying such a thing. Just trying to prod you into using better wording next time around. The physics engine is, in fact, a (rather large) part of the game engine.

How about:

Who'd rather get more cars for a car game than getting bikes in a car game?

If TT2 is a GT5 downloadable add-on that PD develops after GT5 is released, which is likely the case, then there'd be no sacrifice to GT5 content. It would have about as much affect to GT5 as PD developing TT2 after GT5. Actually, it'd have less of an effect, because they'd be able to release it faster as a download for GT5 than as a stand-alone Blu-ray.

Tourist Trophy has always been it's own project independant from the GT series.

Sorry, but this amuses me to no end.

Yes, Tourist Trophy has been independent from GT, for the entire span of it's incredibly vast existence as a single-game franchise!

 

[CyborgGT]

Cars and bikes are two completely different types of vehicles period. Forget the "GT" denomination (I've seen laptops with GT in their name!), you can put a label on anything without having anything to do with the actual meaning of it. Never has there been a racing series pitting cars against bikes. Sure, for the consumer value it's better to have 2 games in one, so would it be to have Killzone 2, God of War 3 and Gran Turismo all in one game....but it just won't work, no matter how much cheaper it is that way.

Yamauchi never intended to merge TT into GT4; I don't know where you're pulling this information. Tourist Trophy has always been it's own project independant from the GT series.

- I don't want bikes to race directly against cars. It's perfectly possible for PD to keep the two vehicle types separate, just like they have been restricting races since the very beginning.

- I didn't mean to imply that PD had motorcycles in mind for GT4 when they started developing GT4. Just that if they had, it's quite possible we could have seen bikes in GT4. As it was, it was too late for anything like that to happen. Bikes were considered for GTHD Concept, but it was decided against for some reason. Based on the fact that it is on their minds to put bikes in their car game, I believe it's very plausible we could see them in the full GT5, either at launch or as DLC.

Combining completely different games like Killzone, God of War, and GT is just plain stupid. Bikes and cars obviously are a lot alike.

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

If TT2 is a GT5 downloadable add-on that PD develops after GT5 is released, which is likely the case, then there'd be no sacrifice to GT5 content. It would have about as much affect to GT5 as PD developing TT2 after GT5. Actually, it'd have less of an effect, because they'd be able to release it faster as a download for GT5 than as a stand-alone Blu-ray.

And like I said, that time is rightfully spent bringing new DLC cars into the game than bringing bikes for a car game.

Sorry, but this amuses me to no end.

Yes, Tourist Trophy has been independent from GT, for the entire span of it's incredibly vast existence as a single-game franchise!

How's the lifespan of TT relevant to it's objective again?

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

- I don't want bikes to race directly against cars. It's perfectly possible for PD to keep the two vehicle types separate, just like they have been restricting races since the very beginning.

If they're gonna keep them separate, might as well make it a different game, no?

Bikes were considered for GTHD Concept, but it was decided against for some reason. Based on the fact that it is on their minds to put bikes in their car game, I believe it's very plausible we could see them in the full GT5, either at launch or as DLC.

Based on the fact that they pulled the bikes in the final product, I can assume they had a very good reason for it. They didn't even test how many people would complaint if they had bikes in GTHD. My guess is that the unplayable GTHD demo was lacking in content, and they decided they had to throw something at it, and it ended up being TT's bike models.

 

[Ghost_drift]

Well after the up roar on the playstation forums when that was first shown im not suprised. big car fans moaning about bikes and big bike fans moaning about cars. (same in real life realy) So I can assume that PD saw sence to make them 2 seperate games. It does make more sence to have to different titles how ever you spin it. car fans are happy and bike fans are happy.

 

[CyborgGT]

If they're gonna keep them separate, might as well make it a different game, no?

You could say the same thing about all of the cars in the game that don't qualify for certain races. Why not make a separate Formula 1 game? A separate DTM game? A separate Super GT game. A production car game, and so on? Because they're all road vehicles that are commonly raced on a race track and it makes sense to group them together.

Based on the fact that they pulled the bikes in the final product, I can assume they had a very good reason for it. They didn't even test how many people would complaint if they had bikes in GTHD. My guess is that the unplayable GTHD demo was lacking in content, and they decided they had to throw something at it, and it ended up being TT's bike models.

But. It. Is. On. Their. Mind. To. Put. Bikes. In. Their. Car. Game. It's not like they loved bikes and then all of a sudden hated them. It was most likely just a technical issue, and seeing as how GTHD was never going to be a full game to begin with, it wasn't an issue worth dealing with.

 

[Ghost_drift]

You could say the same thing about all of the cars in the game that don't qualify for certain races. Why not make a separate Formula 1 game? A separate DTM game? A separate Super GT game. A production car game, and so on? Because they're all road vehicles that are commonly raced on a race track and it makes sense to group them together.

But they all have 4 wheels.

 

[RACECAR]

Since some things are apparently considered "nitpicking", I'll just say this: I just want GT5 to be exclusively a car game like the previous other complete playable incarnations. I already have had a negative experiance with Bike racing and I'd rather not have that again. So what if GT is a loose term despite its dictionary meaning, I play Gran Turismo Purely for cars, period. I'd rather have GT stick to its car related meaning of "driving", even if it includes cars clearly not under the dictionary meaning of "Grand Touring".

 

[Ghost_drift]

Since some things are apparently considered "nitpicking", I'll just say this: I just GT5 to be exclusively a car game like the previous other playable incarnations. I already have had a negative experiance with Bike racing and I'd rather not have that again. So what if GT is a loose term despite its dictionary meaning, I play Gran Turismo Purely for cars, period. I'd rather have GT stick to its car related meaning of "driving", even if it includes cars clearly not under the dictionary meaning of "Grand Touring".

A very sinsible post.

 

[Tired Tyres]

The problem of putting bikes in a GT game is that it dilutes the game from its central theme.

This has already happened once, when rallying was added to GT2. For each rally car added a road or race car is not added. For each rally course added another race track whether real or fantasy is not in the game.

This is because there are finite resources at work and the people who add the rally content are therefore not adding tarmac content.

I have always preferred a focused rally game to the weak added on rally aspect in the GT series.

Anyone wanting to add bikes to GT is simply wanting to add further dilution to the series and whilst it probably wouldn't cost any more in terms of resources to add tracks, since they could be used by cars, it cannot be denied that for each bike someone adds to the game means that a car that could otherwise be in the game is not added to the game.

If you want bikes then buy a bike game that concentrates on bikes and nothing else. You will probably end up with a game that is far more satisfying to play than any added on bike content for GT.

 

[Tenacious D]

Maybe the bike guys are right, and there should be cars in Tourist Trophy II, and MotoGP '09.

But seriously, I think my joke above points out how ludicrous it is to demand that bikes be in GT5. If they are, okay, but if they aren't, this is actually better for both of us. A separate TT game would be a better, fuller, more immersive, more enjoyable game, and it shouldn't take four years since the groundwork for it in GT5 would be established. Take heart, biker fans.

A download though? I sincerely doubt that. It would have to be huge, and people have been complaining about mere patches failing.

 

[Lain]

Maybe the bike guys are right, and there should be cars in Tourist Trophy II, and MotoGP '09.

But seriously, I think my joke above points out how ludicrous it is to demand that bikes be in GT5. If they are, okay, but if they aren't, this is actually better for both of us. A separate TT game would be a better, fuller, more immersive, more enjoyable game, and it shouldn't take four years since the groundwork for it in GT5 would be established. Take heart, biker fans.

A download though? I sincerely doubt that. It would have to be huge, and people have been complaining about mere patches failing.

A TT download that requires GT5 wouldn't be huge: most of the resources would be on the GT5 disc.

 

[Lain]

And like I said, that time is rightfully spent bringing new DLC cars into the game than bringing bikes for a car game.

Bringing "bikes to a car game" would be less time-consuming for PD than it would be for them to release a separate "bike game"

How's the lifespan of TT relevant to it's objective again?

If TT were a series spanning many games, then yes, I'd agree that PD would keep GT and TT separate. But TT is just one game, not a series. We don't know what PD's intentions are with TT. For all we know, they would've liked the original TT to be a part of GT4 but couldn't have made it a part of it due to wanting to get GT4 out the door ASAP (that's no longer a problem with the PS3 with DLC) and/or the limited capacity of a DVD (also no longer an issue... Blu-ray, internal HDD).


Oops, double post. Forgot I just posted, heh.

 

[CyborgGT]

I'll say it AGAIN (I'm looking at you, Tired Tyres):

If TT2 is indeed going to be made, then there is effort being put into bikes and not into cars for GT5, period (you do realise a single company makes both, right?). Making TT2 a separate game instead of just adding the bikes as DLC for GT5 would take even more effort because of everything else that goes into creating a stand-alone game. By putting bikes into GT5 rather than into their own game, that leaves some more time and effort that could be put into GT5 cars/tracks/features/whatever.

It would have been the same exact issue (except worse, not only because it doesn't make sense to put rally cars in a road course game, but because you can't recycle road courses for rally racing) if Polyphony had decided to make a separate game for rallying rather than sticking it into GT2. And personally, I love GT's rally racing.

In the case of TT2 being fact, it's better to just combine the games.

In the case of Polyphony ditching a bike game altogether, acting like TT1 never existed, and are just considering adding bikes for GT5 just as they had decided to add rally into the GT series, I think it would be a very cool addition, but it wouldn't bother me if it was decided against.

 

[PAPPACLART]

Did you even read the clarification of Grand Turismo. And how it is now referd to as general car racing.

And wow what a great bike, I know thets add the sluggish GSX-F, and Goldwing to GT5 as they have been classed a gran tourer. dont make me laghe.

Fact remains bike games suck, and allways will suck. No realism at all.

Do you actually ride a bike, if not, what would you know about bike realism. I have actually hit an indicated 180mph on my bike, and also scrape my pegs when I go around corners. Acclerated from a bend so hard while cranked over I had a major tank slapper (many times). I have had the front wheels lift powering through 3rd gear over the crest of a hill. I have ridden from the West cost of Noway, to the East side of Sweden in a day 1300KM, taking only twisty mountain roads, where from riding at such contsant high speed, that I had what felt like 2 rocks in my shoulders, as was the pain so bad. The only pain you get, from driving/riding, is numb thumb from your PS3 pad, racing around virtual tracks.

TT is not perfect, but it is the best yet, I should know after 9 years riding, and having ridden over 30 different bikes.

Here is me riding my bike, jan 1st 08, -3 degrees in Belgium



This is me in Chennai, INDIA riding a bike (skinny bloke with the white T-shirt)



And this is me Sitting on my bike, I would send you a vid of me riding my bike, but I am at work and and we are banned from you tube. but feel free to go and look - under pappalcart.



I can also show you a picture of a hot chick sitting on my bike too!

Are you going to show me your virtual garage?

Bicycles in Gran Turismo!

I know, odd....but if it has "GT" in the name, it must be included, right?

Now you are being stupid.

I have won the argument several times over, you and pappa dont seem to get the gyst that Gran turismo is and always will be referd to as car racing, even when sites like Wiki state it very clearly. Gran Turismo is car racing not motorbike racing.

them with bikes.

You are obviously delusional!! lol

Lmao.

Just thought I would post the full version of what pappaclart posted. very interesting read.

Gran Turismo



Gran Turismo is an Italian term of reference to the "Grand Tour" and roughly translates into English as "Grand Touring" (and in French as "Grand Tourisme").

Characteristics

Grand tourers differ from typical sports cars (e.g. Lotus Elise, Porsche 911) in that they are usually larger, heavier (sometimes more than 3,500 lb (1,600 kg)), and tend to make less compromise in comfort for the sake of driving ability. For this reason, most have front-mounted engines, which leave more space for the cabin than mid-mounted engines. They tend to have softer suspensions to provide good ride quality. They also provide bigger storage space and more accessories. However, grand tourers do have similarities with sports cars, such as their use mainly of rear- or four-wheel drive, and the term sports car may be used to describe a car with grand touring qualities. Very high-performance grand tourers, such as the Aston Martin DB9, Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano, HSV GTS, Nissan GT-R and the Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, may be considered to be supercars.

Because of their powerful engines, grand tourers can still compete with many sports cars in top-speed and acceleration. However, in terms of handling they are a magnitude below sports cars, because of their weight and softer suspension. Grand tourers excel at high speed, long distance travel, or races, and make more practical daily drivers than sports cars.

Classification

In certain professional motorsport classifications, such as the Grand Touring categories promoted by the FIA, the GT car is defined as "an open or closed automobile which has no more than one door on each side and a minimum of two seats situated one on each side of the longitudinal centre line of the car; these two seats must be crossed by the same transversal plane. This car must be able to be used perfectly legally on the open road, and adapted for racing on circuits or closed courses."

Using the above definition, it is still valid to place sport cars such as the Corvette and the 911 in the grand touring category since they do contain many, if not all, the amenities of a grand tourer. However, this weakness in motorsport classification sometimes blurs the line of what is considered a true production grand tourer, and may lead to mis-classification.

Gran Turismo is today almost exclusively thought of in the context of automobiles - this seems especially true in recent years with examples such as the computer game series Gran Turismo (see below) serving to highlight the term's popular perception. Its automobile origins however lie with the "GT" naming tradition emerging from Italy. Manufacturers such as Alfa Romeo, Ferrari and Lancia often designated their cars as Gran Turismo. The 1951 Lancia Aurelia B20 GT, for example being one of the first cars to sport such a name.

The GT term has many variations:

* GTI or GTi - meaning Gran Turismo Iniezione (Grand Touring Injection), first used on the 1961 Maserati 3500 GTI. The Volkswagen Golf GTI (1975) was the first mass produced car to have such a name.
* GTE or GT/E (Einspritzung - a German word for injection) used in Germany and present for example on the Opel Manta GT/E.
* GTO (Gran Turismo Omologato) meaning homologated car for racing (used by Ferrari, Pontiac and Mitsubishi).
* GTA (Gran Turismo Alleggerita) meaning lightened GT car. For example the Alfa Romeo GTA.
* GTAm (modified lightened car). For example the Alfa Romeo GTAm.
* GTB (Gran Turismo Berlinetta) meaning a coupe GT car. For example the Ferrari 328 GTB.
* GTC (Gran Turismo Compact) for example Opel Astra GTC or Gran Turismo Cabriolet for example Bentley Continental GTC or Gran Turismo Coupe for example Ferrari 330 GTC
* GTD, acronym of Gran Turismo Diesel, used by Volkswagen in sport oriented Golf version.
* GTR or GT-R, acronym of Gran Turismo Racing, used in cars like the McLaren F1 GTR and Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR or Nissan GT-R
* GTS (Gran Turismo Spider) meaning a convertible GT car. For example the Ferrari 348 GTS.
* GTV (Gran Turismo Veloce) meaning a fast GT car. For example the Alfa Romeo GTV6.

Today the term Grand Tourer, or Gran Turismo is synonymous with the high-powered sports cars that take part in long distance or endurance races like 24 Hours of Le Mans, Mille Miglia, Targa Florio, Carrera Panamericana. Examples include:

* Dodge Viper GTS-R.
* Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano.
* Saab GT750.
* Aston Martin V12 Vanquish.
* Audi A5.
* BMW 6 Series.
* Mercedes-Benz SL-Class.

After these famous races and cars, several road cars and even computer games adopted the Gran Turismo name:

* Grand tourer, a car designed for comfortable long distance driving.
* Gran Turismo (GT) series of video games developed by Polyphony Digital for a number of Sony's PlayStation platforms.
* Many automobiles integrate GT into their names or use GT to describe a particular trim level.

Examples of contemporary production grand tourers

* AC Frua
* Alfa Romeo 2600
* Alfa Romeo Montreal
* Alfa Romeo Brera
* Alfa Romeo GT
* Aston Martin DB2
* Aston Martin DB Mark III
* Aston Martin DB4
* Aston Martin DB5
* Aston Martin DB6
* Aston Martin V8
* Aston Martin DB7
* Aston Martin DB9
* Aston Martin Vanquish
* Aston Martin DBS
* Audi A5/S5
* Bentley Brooklands Coupé
* Bentley Continental GT Speed
* BMW 8 Series
* BMW 6 Series
* BMW M5
* BMW 3.0 CSL
* Cadillac XLR-V
* Citroën SM
* Datsun 240Z
* De Tomaso Longchamp
* Dodge Challenger R/T
* Ferrari 575M Maranello
* Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
* Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
* Ford GT
* Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe
* Ford Thunderbird Super Coupe
* HSV GTS
* Hyundai Genesis Coupe
* Iso Grifo
* Iso Rivolta
* Jaguar XJS
* Jaguar XKR
* Jensen 541S
* Jensen CV8
* Jensen Interceptor
* Lancia Aurelia
* Lexus SC
* Lincoln Mark VII LSC
* Lincoln Mark VIII
* Maserati 3500 GT
* Maserati GranTurismo
* Mercedes-Benz CL-Class
* Mercedes-Benz S-Class/SEC Coupe
* Mercedes-Benz SL-Class
* Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
* Mitsubishi GTO
* Monteverdi High Speed
* Nissan GT-R
* Porsche 911 Turbo
* Porsche 928
* Saab GT750
* Subaru SVX
* Toyota 2000GT
* Toyota Soarer
* Triumph GT6
* Volvo 780
* Volkswagen R32

So can anyone spot the part about Motorbikes in the definition of Gran Turismo?

You just do not get it do you. Have you never though that the contributors to that wicki post might actually be car drivers. And seeing as drivers are more than often very ignorant toward bikes, then it does not suprise me that they are not included. Car drivers can't even see a bike if it is right in front of them, at least that's what they say after they have just knocked you off.

You seem to forget that I have mentioned many times before that the term GT (Grand Touring, Gran Tourismo) is most well known and used with cars but APPLIES T BIKES!! You can buy a high performance GT (Grand Touring) bikes as well as a GT car!!

And the millions of people that enjoy Gran Turismo because it is car game and Gran Turismo on any dictionary web site and any picture search only brings up cars. And about ignoring them, well there in lies the problem. If I want 100% I wont be able to ignore them will I as you can garentee if there is a Bike in Gran Turismo there will be a bike race.

But you are right I shouldn't moan, As the makers of the game, Polyphony Digital know (unlike you) that Gran Turismo is car racing and in such, will only include cars.

So carry on posting as much stuff saying that Gran Turismo does not refer to only car racing, you just look stupid. EVERY site refers to Gran Turismo as purely car racing. It is only you and Pappaclart, that think Gran Turismo refers to every mode of tranport under the sun.

You obviously do not understand my point.

I will try to make it simple for you.


I would like to have bikes in Gran Turismo 5.


60% of members do not, some have valid reasons, other use silly reasons.

One of the reasons being used is that people are saying that Gran Turismo (by name) is exslusive to cars, and cars only and becuase of it's name, bikes are excluded.

I have tried to explain that if a member is using the name 'Gran Turismo' which means 'Grand Touring' to justify a reason not to have bikes, solely because, according to them, the meaning and definition of Gran Turismo is cars and has no reference to bikes.

All I have been trying to say is that, using the name Grand Touring as a reason, and rule to exlude the addition of bikes, is not correct, as Grand Touring is a broad reference, and can include several forms of transport, most commonly cars, followed by motorcycles. We have bikes past an present that include the name GT/GTR etc. The latest bIke to carry the GT name, is the ZZR1400 GT-R - high performance mile muncher.

Of course, Gran Turismo the game (with the name meaning Grand Touring) the vehicles included in the actual game, are not all strictly GT cars, as we have may types from many diciplines, from single seaters, to family cars, supercars and also true GT cars.


I will say again, to those of you that have been saying that GT is a car game, yes you are right, it has always been a car game, 'The Real Driving Simulator', and you have the right to say this, but please don't use the name GT (Grand touring to justify exclusion of bikes)

GT has always has always also been about the spirit of motorsport as whole, all kinds. Gran Turismo have never discriminated, on Vehicle type etc, it's always had a broad range of car classes, to cater for fans of the varying types of car that we have. Bikesbut can be just and expsansion of the above, regardless off whether the GT series was original intended for cars only. Remember, games progress, and developers sometimes take there producs ina different direction.

PS

Anyone seen the BMW Superbike, probaly the fastest BMW you cann buy, cars included!

 

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But. It. Is. On. Their. Mind. To. Put. Bikes. In. Their. Car. Game. It's not like they loved bikes and then all of a sudden hated them. It was most likely just a technical issue, and seeing as how GTHD was never going to be a full game to begin with, it wasn't an issue worth dealing with.

How long has it been since? Back when they didn't have many car models worked out? When they were reusing GT4 and TT assets, still trying to build something to show for GT5? That's more likely. Since then, not only has GT5P been released, it has gotten an upgrade, and Yamauchi still hasn't delivered any sign that points to an intention of getting bikes into GT.

Bringing "bikes to a car game" would be less time-consuming for PD than it would be for them to release a separate "bike game".

Like I said, that time is better spent working on cars, which is the focus of the GT series.

If TT were a series spanning many games, then yes, I'd agree that PD would keep GT and TT separate. But TT is just one game, not a series. We don't know what PD's intentions are with TT. For all we know, they would've liked the original TT to be a part of GT4 but couldn't have made it a part of it due to wanting to get GT4 out the door ASAP (that's no longer a problem with the PS3 with DLC) and/or the limited capacity of a DVD (also no longer an issue... Blu-ray, internal HDD).

If PD had wanted to have bikes in GT4, they'd have said so from the beginning, and GT4 would have at least 5 bikes out of 600 cars. We don't know what their original intent was for GT4, but if it included bikes, it was a last-minute concept built because they ran out of ideas, which makes no sense coming from PD either.

 

[CyborgGT]

TT is not perfect, but it is the best yet, I should know after 9 years riding, and having ridden over 30 different bikes.

Have you played Suzuki TT Superbikes, with the full Isle of Man TT (it might go under a different title in Europe)? I've heard it's the most realistic bike simulation. I've never ridden a motorcycle myself, but it seems to ride well, and it's not easy.

If PD had wanted to have bikes in GT4, they'd have said so from the beginning

Unless, like I said, the idea came late in GT4's development, or even afterwards. They had a solid year before it was released.

 

[Ghost_drift]

So PappaClart wiki is ok for you to use as a reference. but if it doesnt say on there what you want it say then it is just rubbish posted by random people?

Bike game suck big time. And until they make a controller to control the bikes realisticaly, that doesnt resemble a roadrash arcade unit then they always will.

And being as you asked so nicely.

And the photos of my Time attack/drift RX7 are on my profile.

 

[Jay]

Controls for bike games are never going to be as good as for car, but I think Tourist Trophy did a great job of what they had.

 

[AutoAki]

Remember guys, PD do not wonder 'what are GT-nolifes thinking about having few bikes in GT5', so dont take it so seriously if it happens. You all 'bikes in GT5-haters' are going to buy that Game anyway.

...in the end, everything in this tough business is about having so many copies sold than possible. If PD and SONY thinks, it could increase sales of TT2 in future, that they put few bikes to GT5 just for a teaser... they will do it. For us GT-nolifes, it's always that better what more they will sell.

Me personally, I dont care that question so much, but I admit that I wanted to test how good is their 'Bike-engine'. If it sucks, I would just let those few bikes to collect dust, like I will do to most of cars which will be in GT5. Ofcourse they could also make demo about TT2, but I think much more guys will test their TT2-Bikes if they include few of those to GT5... and some will be hooked then.

Those who are saying it would be stupid that bikes and cars would drive at same time on track... I think same, and I never even think about that would be possible in GT5. Are you guys serious when you said that, or are you just kidding?

That guy who has many times repeated, that you drive cars, and ride bikes... you should remember that there is some another languages than English too. Here in Finland we have only one term when you drive any vehicle, from bicycle to eighteen-wheeler. In my mind, 'Driving Simulator' can easily mean anykind of driving, but I certainly wish there will not be any Bicycles, Vespas or MotoX things in GT5.

I think Gran Turismo , is just very nice name for game... nothing more. So those two words are not somekind of limits, what this game can contain, or what not.

Come on Pals... dont be so narrow-minded with so small thing. Like somebody said, bikes will use same engine, so it's nothing away from us. There is room for few bikes in BD.

 

[Lain]

Like I said, that time is better spent working on cars, which is the focus of the GT series.

Yes, but I'm talking about Polyphony's plans for TT. Unless you're trying to suggest that Polyphony Digital should only make Gran Turismo and just throw TT in the garbage.

 

[Tenacious D]

Unless you're trying to suggest that Polyphony Digital should only make Gran Turismo and just throw TT in the garbage.

I don't think anyone is saying that. But consider my joking post above, about there being cars in a Superbike game. Doesn't that sound just a wee bit daft?

Yaywalter mentioned that a Tourist Trophy download wouldn't be that large. I suppose that might be true if there were only 20-30 bikes involved. but then, wouldn't you want some motorbike specific tracks to go along with that? Or do you want to simply tool around on Daytona, Midfield or the High Speed Ring among others? And how many bikes should be included? How many bike courses?

I think all the way round, including Tourist Trophy from the start would have all the bike fiends complaining, since any tiny motorcycle racing included would be rather like Prologue. And the car fiends would be grouching about how cars had to be left off to make the motorbikes and tracks. I doubt anyone would be happy. I think the best course is to just be patient and wait for a Tourist Trophy II in due time, and then you'd have your bike racer in its full glory, and we'd all be happy.

 

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See? Searching is not that hard, people.