MR Corvette C8 - General Discussion
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Man this car is lucky it has the name corvette behind it 
And boy that back end still makes me wanna vomit.
And boy that back end still makes me wanna vomit.
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I'm anxious to see the C8 parked alongside something like a 458 or even a C6 (which was admirably compact). The C7 is pretty big for a sports car. The C8 is larger, and not even marginally so:
C6 Length: 174.6
C7 Length: 176.9 in
C8 Length: 182.3 in
C6 Width: 72.6
C7 Width: 73.9 in
C8 Width: 76.1 in
Dimensionally, it's not far off from the 458. But the 458 is hardly a small car either. Hard to believe a Bugatti Veyron is shorter in both length and height, while being wider. The Veyron is deceptively small, actually. The C8's massing is just heavy looking, aside from the absolute dimensions. It will certainly dwarf a Cayman (172"L x 71"W x 50"H) either way.
C6 Length: 174.6
C7 Length: 176.9 in
C8 Length: 182.3 in
C6 Width: 72.6
C7 Width: 73.9 in
C8 Width: 76.1 in
Dimensionally, it's not far off from the 458. But the 458 is hardly a small car either. Hard to believe a Bugatti Veyron is shorter in both length and height, while being wider. The Veyron is deceptively small, actually. The C8's massing is just heavy looking, aside from the absolute dimensions. It will certainly dwarf a Cayman (172"L x 71"W x 50"H) either way.
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More info on the C8 crash with a lot of pictures of the aftermath:
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Hmmm. It's one thing to treat someone with kindness when they **** up endangering only themselves. This wasn't that. If the Equinox driver was actually a motorcyclist, they would have probably been dead.
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There were 3 things I was concerned about in the design: that scoop area, the height of bodywork over the rear wheel area, and the rear. The rear was the major concern. When I saw it in person the concern over the rear wheel area disappeared. The scoop area looked fine to me. There is an option for body-colored scoops, which may help. The rear while not the prettiest wasn't as much of a problem that I thought it would be based on the pictures. One thing that helps seeing it in person is that you won't be looking at it from the low down view that many of the pictures are from. Then again, I thought the C7 was/is a great design.
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The base model C8 will start at $59,995. Which is definitely below their promised $60,000(by only $5).
https://www.chevrolet.com/upcoming-vehicles/2020-corvette#pricing
The Z51 package is exactly $5,000 which can be added to any trim level. It adds 5 hp, 5 lb-ft of torque, brakes, suspension, and other performance parts.
https://media.chevrolet.com/media/u...ews/us/en/2019/aug/0815-corvette-pricing.html
The base model Corvette has a top speed of 194 mph.
https://www.chevrolet.com/upcoming-vehicles/2020-corvette#pricing
The Z51 package is exactly $5,000 which can be added to any trim level. It adds 5 hp, 5 lb-ft of torque, brakes, suspension, and other performance parts.
https://media.chevrolet.com/media/u...ews/us/en/2019/aug/0815-corvette-pricing.html
The base model Corvette has a top speed of 194 mph.
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They’re definitely expecting the 2LT to be their bread and butter.
‘19 C7 -> ‘20 C8
1LT: $56,995 -> $59,995
2LT: $61,450 -> $67,295
3LT: $66,740 -> $71,945
You can see on C7, there’s a decent $5k give or take spread, with the jump to the 3LT from the 2LT higher ($5290) than the 2LT from base ($4455). On the C8 however, they’ve flipped that. The jump to the 2LT runs $7300. From 2LT to 3LT, it’s $4650. That little $7300 spread gives credibility to @Eunos_Cosmo theory on their pricing/profit structure.
However, it’s still a ridiculously good bang for the buck. 10 years ago, $72,000 got you into the Z06 with 10 extra horsepower yet nowhere near the refinement.
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They are starting the 1LT builds towards the end. A fully spec'ed Corvette will be around $100,000.
Extract from Street Speed 717 video regarding build weeks:
Link to video if you are interested in the specs and pricing (there's a few ads if you watch or skip around):
Extract from Street Speed 717 video regarding build weeks:
Link to video if you are interested in the specs and pricing (there's a few ads if you watch or skip around):
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Not my favorite design, but this would be how I would buy it...
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I see click baiting is still the car YouTuber way to get views.
I share the same sentiment.
I used to watch his channel a year or three ago. Then I forget about it, but went back recently to see what's going on. Not too impressed...though I'm sure he's making good money with all the ads and views. I even find it annoying when TheStraightPipes repeat on every video that they know there are some viewers who are watching without subscribing.
Unfortunately that's what works. I see higher quality channels with better content not using the clickbait titles and they're not doing as well. But some of them are fresher, so I hope the popularity increases better over time.
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I'm sorry if I sound rude but why do these kind of youtubers feel the need to put their faces in every thumbnail and why do they write everithing with caps on
Please don't come at me.
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It's called clickbait.
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Its called youtube algorithm baiting.
Youtubes current algorith loves to see a face in the thumbnail. And I mean, loves it. Pretty much every single video on trending will have someone pulling a silly face on it.
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So people love clicking when there's the face of the Youtuber in the thumbnail of the video?
That guy's covering almost half of the car, shouldn't the Corvette C8 itself cover most of the thumbnail?
Eh, maybe I'm just living in the past because I don't like these at all.
Luckily there are still some great Youtubers out there who don't have these kind of addictions.
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The Corvette C8 YouTube coverage I enjoyed most were Shmee150 (onsite at the unveiling), Speed Phenom (dealer presentation), Jay Leno's Garage (exclusive preview at the unveiling), LethalGarage (dealer presentation) and StangMode (!)
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Yeah, the rear still looks terrible in person. Maybe in a darker color. Pictures when I get home.
And contrary to the insistence earlier, I'm not seeing anything terribly complicated in the rear end design that would have supposedly dramatically increased the cost to clean it up.
Edit:
As a preface, this is content sponsored by GM who paid for people to have $10 worth of food:
Front is more blunt in person than it looks in photos.
The display stuff:
Reminds me of some of the Porsche displays. Much more elaborate than I ever remember a Corvette one being in the past.
Cargo space was... not really that impressive. They say it will fit golf clubs, but I'm curious as to how. Considering this is a larger car than an NSX, there sure seems to be a lot less storage space and interior space. There was helpfully even an NSX there to compare to (though obviously I didn't sit in that):
(now that's a car that looks much better in person than in photos).
I don't know if cubic feet wise the NSX is bigger and I'm sure GM went through one of their famous marketing bullet point checklists to make sure it's not, but it certainly seemed like a much better laid out storage compartment. Especially since the liftover is so much higher on the C8; which I'll get to in a second.
Seats are nicely bolstered and deep fitting, but they seem kind of flat and thin. These are the GT2 seats, as I understand. I suspect they still won't be a match for the middle-period C4 sport seats in long term comfort and support.
The steering wheel is really not that comfortable. It seems like they only made it square because it was too large for the cockpit, but it still blocks sightlines to stuff in the interior anyway when the sides are so wide and the rim is so thick; and that's before you put your hands on it. Making it an inch or so smaller in diameter and/or a tad thinner would have been preferable to this Knight Rider thing. C7 wheel is definitely more comfortable to hold. The gauge cluster is fine. Nothing amazing, though maybe it does cool stuff when it's being driven.
Switchgear feels a lot nicer than the C7s, which already was nicer than the C6, which... well, was worse than the C5, but you get the point. Reminded me a lot more of the stuff in my ATS than any previous Corvette. Tighter tolerances, higher quality materials; but then these are well optioned show queens so who knows how the production ones will be.
That long bit of switches along the center console seem nicer laid out than they appear in pictures in terms of placement to the driver, but there are a couple functions that are grouped together in a dumping ground that make me think they won't be very easy to push without looking at them (like the heated vs cooled seats buttons in particular, which shouldn't even be grouped with HVAC like that) and some functions that are spread out that should be grouped together (why is the passenger side temperature control separate from all of the other HVAC controls?). They also sit so high and close to the passenger that the passenger-specific buttons are kind of hard to actually press from there. I suspect the extent of thought that the interior designer gave these is "they look really cool when all the lights are on at night."
The carbon fiber inserts all over the place are pretty tacky and seem like something from a car in this class ten years ago; or even a midsize sedan aping cars in this class from ten years ago.
Space wise, it's fine. Less space than anything since the C4, certainly looks like a fair bit less space than the smaller NSX, but not cramped like a C3 or something..That center console is pretty ridiculous from the passenger seat though.
And for the elephant in the room:
It's still ugly. Absolutely. It's definitely not as terrible in this color as it was in that blue from the other page, but it's not nice.
Maybe, hopefully it won't be so bad in a darker color, a green or blue or red, to hide it. I think the problem is that the taillights appear to stick out at least two inches further than the rest of the rear of the car. It's especially notable because there's a hard character line going up straight along the bottom corner that meets in the top corner of the rear similar to that on the C7 (but not as slab-sided); and then there's those awful Camaro taillights inset half an inch from the rest of the rear and jutting out to the sides disrupting the flow of the rest of the rear. The rest of the rear mostly looks fine (licence plate area is a bit fussy), but the taillights are so out of place that they almost look like they were straight sourced from something else.
Which is a shame because they are reasonably nice looking by themselves. Complex and modern without being hopelessly overdone (and actually much cleaner looking than the mess on the Camaro following its second emergency restyling); and even having a ripoff of Audi's sequential pattern that looks nice. The assemblies themselves are a much better looking design than the C7s, just integrated even worse than they were on that.
One more thing, that is inline with GM's usual tunnel vision when it comes to trying new things like this, is that that spoiler absolutely should be part of the hatch assembly instead of sitting on the very back of the car in front of the place that you have to awkwardly lift the roof over to store it. I can only imagine removing it from that nearly vertical storage hole, no matter how light the roof is, will be even worse.
And contrary to the insistence earlier, I'm not seeing anything terribly complicated in the rear end design that would have supposedly dramatically increased the cost to clean it up.
Edit:
As a preface, this is content sponsored by GM who paid for people to have $10 worth of food:
Front is more blunt in person than it looks in photos.
The display stuff:
Reminds me of some of the Porsche displays. Much more elaborate than I ever remember a Corvette one being in the past.
Cargo space was... not really that impressive. They say it will fit golf clubs, but I'm curious as to how. Considering this is a larger car than an NSX, there sure seems to be a lot less storage space and interior space. There was helpfully even an NSX there to compare to (though obviously I didn't sit in that):
(now that's a car that looks much better in person than in photos).
I don't know if cubic feet wise the NSX is bigger and I'm sure GM went through one of their famous marketing bullet point checklists to make sure it's not, but it certainly seemed like a much better laid out storage compartment. Especially since the liftover is so much higher on the C8; which I'll get to in a second.
Seats are nicely bolstered and deep fitting, but they seem kind of flat and thin. These are the GT2 seats, as I understand. I suspect they still won't be a match for the middle-period C4 sport seats in long term comfort and support.
The steering wheel is really not that comfortable. It seems like they only made it square because it was too large for the cockpit, but it still blocks sightlines to stuff in the interior anyway when the sides are so wide and the rim is so thick; and that's before you put your hands on it. Making it an inch or so smaller in diameter and/or a tad thinner would have been preferable to this Knight Rider thing. C7 wheel is definitely more comfortable to hold. The gauge cluster is fine. Nothing amazing, though maybe it does cool stuff when it's being driven.
Switchgear feels a lot nicer than the C7s, which already was nicer than the C6, which... well, was worse than the C5, but you get the point. Reminded me a lot more of the stuff in my ATS than any previous Corvette. Tighter tolerances, higher quality materials; but then these are well optioned show queens so who knows how the production ones will be.
That long bit of switches along the center console seem nicer laid out than they appear in pictures in terms of placement to the driver, but there are a couple functions that are grouped together in a dumping ground that make me think they won't be very easy to push without looking at them (like the heated vs cooled seats buttons in particular, which shouldn't even be grouped with HVAC like that) and some functions that are spread out that should be grouped together (why is the passenger side temperature control separate from all of the other HVAC controls?). They also sit so high and close to the passenger that the passenger-specific buttons are kind of hard to actually press from there. I suspect the extent of thought that the interior designer gave these is "they look really cool when all the lights are on at night."
The carbon fiber inserts all over the place are pretty tacky and seem like something from a car in this class ten years ago; or even a midsize sedan aping cars in this class from ten years ago.
Space wise, it's fine. Less space than anything since the C4, certainly looks like a fair bit less space than the smaller NSX, but not cramped like a C3 or something..That center console is pretty ridiculous from the passenger seat though.
And for the elephant in the room:
It's still ugly. Absolutely. It's definitely not as terrible in this color as it was in that blue from the other page, but it's not nice.
Maybe, hopefully it won't be so bad in a darker color, a green or blue or red, to hide it. I think the problem is that the taillights appear to stick out at least two inches further than the rest of the rear of the car. It's especially notable because there's a hard character line going up straight along the bottom corner that meets in the top corner of the rear similar to that on the C7 (but not as slab-sided); and then there's those awful Camaro taillights inset half an inch from the rest of the rear and jutting out to the sides disrupting the flow of the rest of the rear. The rest of the rear mostly looks fine (licence plate area is a bit fussy), but the taillights are so out of place that they almost look like they were straight sourced from something else.
Which is a shame because they are reasonably nice looking by themselves. Complex and modern without being hopelessly overdone (and actually much cleaner looking than the mess on the Camaro following its second emergency restyling); and even having a ripoff of Audi's sequential pattern that looks nice. The assemblies themselves are a much better looking design than the C7s, just integrated even worse than they were on that.
One more thing, that is inline with GM's usual tunnel vision when it comes to trying new things like this, is that that spoiler absolutely should be part of the hatch assembly instead of sitting on the very back of the car in front of the place that you have to awkwardly lift the roof over to store it. I can only imagine removing it from that nearly vertical storage hole, no matter how light the roof is, will be even worse.
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