Murcielago vs Aventador?

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Not that i'm complaining about Aventador, i love the way it is, but!

Testing both cars i get ruffly the same lap times, i hope you're aware of Aventadors new suspension technology and that it is much better than Murcielago handling wise!

Testing on SPA with a bit tuned Murcielago LP640 to 699HP i lap 2.16.5xx and with stock Aventaror with 715HP i lap 2.16.3xx (the gap within a margin of error, so i would say they are the same), cosidering 15HP difference and Aventador being 100 kilos lighter, i thought it would be a larger gap. Also physically, Aventador does not feel any sharper in turns than Murcielago!

Note: Muscielago was tuned to match Aventadoe's power, for handling test only!

What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyF-8Bkn6JI
 
I think this is a pointless comparison, unless you go stock vs stock.

It's like saying I tuned an R33 and an R34 GTR to the same weight and horsepower and they were almost the same!
 
You have skewed any results of your comparo by adding parts.
 
Sputnik
Not that i'm complaining about Aventador, i love the way it is, but!

Testing both cars i get ruffly the same lap times, i hope you're aware of Aventadors new suspension technology and that it is much better than Murcielago handling wise!

Testing on SPA with a bit tuned Murcielago LP640 to 699HP i lap 2.16.5xx and with stock Aventaror with 715HP i lap 2.16.3xx (the gap within a margin of error, so i would say they are the same), cosidering 15HP difference and Aventador being 100 kilos lighter, i thought it would be a larger gap. Also physically, Aventador does not feel any sharper in turns than Murcielago!

Note: Muscielago was tuned to match Aventadoe's power, for handling test only!

What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyF-8Bkn6JI
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:banghead:
 
peter_vod69
I think this is a pointless comparison, unless you go stock vs stock.

It's like saying I tuned an R33 and an R34 GTR to the same weight and horsepower and they were almost the same!
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the only thing was done to Murcielago was some Cats and Air filter parts installed to put them both on ruffly the same power level, only 40-50 hp gain, it's irrelevant!

TheeFrogmanlego
... you sir fail... i mean do this in any science class and you will get an F..
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If this discussion is not in your taste, that doesn't make me fail, i have a valid point!
 
^ You missing the point! It's a handling concern, not power or speed! I gave it this little extra HP to see how they differ in handling! Nothing was installed to improve it's handling!
 
I also made a comparance test of those two Lambo Aventador and lambo Murcie both cars after oil change with sports hard tires and aeropack.
SSR X Top speed:
Murcie: 346,1 Km/h = 215,102 Mph
Aventador: 354,4 Km/h = 220,261 Mph
1/4 Mile:
Murcie: 11,297 sec
Aventador: 11,020 sec
1 KM:
Murcie: 20,084 sec
Aventador: 19,623 sec
0-100 Km/h
Murcie: 3,411 sec
Aventador: 3,482 sec
0-200 Km/h
Murcie: 10,200 sec
Aventador: 9,453 sec

the Aventador got more Torque which results in better figure compared to the Murcie, but also the gearing plays a lil role too.

just my 2 cents
 
hmm do the test again accept have the aventador with the same mods and see if there's a greater time difference? just a suggestion
 
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I understand that you tuned the Murci for handling purposes, but any additions will affect how the car handles. The car was designed and built for the stock horsepower, so any modifications to that will change the dynamics. That being said, the Aventador does handle a little bit better than the Murci, but it's still very much a Lamborghini. By that, of course, I mean it moves like a tank.
 
Delta795
http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/top_gear_track.html

There is not going to be a HUGE difference however by adding additional HP
you negated the point of any comparison.
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2.5 seconds on a such a small track is a HUGE difference! Spa is almost twice the distance and lets double that 2.5 seconds, what do we get? 4-5 seconds!?

Jakob79
I also made a comparance test of those two Lambo Aventador and lambo Murcie both cars after oil change with sports hard tires and aeropack.
SSR X Top speed:
Murcie: 346,1 Km/h = 215,102 Mph
Aventador: 354,4 Km/h = 220,261 Mph
1/4 Mile:
Murcie: 11,297 sec
Aventador: 11,020 sec
1 KM:
Murcie: 20,084 sec
Aventador: 19,623 sec
0-100 Km/h
Murcie: 3,411 sec
Aventador: 3,482 sec
0-200 Km/h
Murcie: 10,200 sec
Aventador: 9,453 sec

the Aventador got more Torque which results in better figure compared to the Murcie, but also the gearing plays a lil role too.

just my 2 cents
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Buddy,this is not a straight line speed discussion
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salikriaz
hmm do the test again accept have the aventador with the same mods and see if there's a greater time difference? just a suggestion
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I certainly will
after i finish writing this, just to put an end to all those trolling!
kogunenjou
I understand that you tuned the Murci for handling purposes, but any additions will affect how the car handles. The car was designed and built for the stock horsepower, so any modifications to that will change the dynamics. That being said, the Aventador does handle a little bit better than the Murci, but it's still very much a Lamborghini. By that, of course, I mean it moves like a tank.
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Yes, HP affects handling, but by gaining HP handling degrade, not improve.
 
Sputnik
Not that i'm complaining about Aventador, i love the way it is, but!

Testing both cars i get ruffly the same lap times, i hope you're aware of Aventadors new suspension technology and that it is much better than Murcielago handling wise!

Testing on SPA with a bit tuned Murcielago LP640 to 699HP i lap 2.16.5xx and with stock Aventaror with 715HP i lap 2.16.3xx (the gap within a margin of error, so i would say they are the same), cosidering 15HP difference and Aventador being 100 kilos lighter, i thought it would be a larger gap. Also physically, Aventador does not feel any sharper in turns than Murcielago!

Note: Muscielago was tuned to match Aventadoe's power, for handling test only!

What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyF-8Bkn6JI
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That's not a comparison m8,as the Murcielago has been tweaked with parts lol.
 
I compared my cat to the neighbours dog the other day. It's a Jack Russell Terrier. It has bigger teeth than my cat so I attached some spikes to my cat and fed it some speed.
 
Ok, just ran a stock HP Mucielago and lapped 2.16.907, compared to 2.16.3xx of stock Aventador! That's 0.6 tenth of a second on a 7 kilometer track! Can we have a normal discussion now?
 
Sputnik
Ok, just ran a stock HP Mucielago and lapped 2.16.907, compared to 2.16.3xx of stock Aventador! That's 0.6 tenth of a second on a 7 kilometer track! Can we have a normal discussion now?
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That's more like it! Now, how many laps have you done with each? And what can you tell us about how they feel, respectively?
 
Sputnik
Cheers



The whole day yesterday and like i said in my OP, Aventador does not have any extra grip compared to Murcielago, just more HP and 100 kilos lighter!
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Yeah but if you did 100 laps in the Murcielago and 12 in the Aventador it wouldn't really be fair would it? And you still didn't describe how either of them felt in comparison to each other.
 
Sputnik
Thanks Alex, good to have some mature people around here, i thought this thread was gonna be trolled back to mars :dopey:
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Yeah thanks Alex - for describing the difference between the two using something other than numbers and flawed methodology.

PS - Disagreeing is "Trolling" now?
 
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Sputnik
Thanks Alex, good to have some mature people around here, i thought this thread was gonna be trolled back to mars :dopey:
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:confused:

Mature? we were just pointing out what was wrong with the tests...

and now their equal it's all good! i think

And sorry for trolling man
 
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I know where you are coming from Sputnik, i would have been really surprised that the times were so similar if i hadnt driven the Aventador.
It looks great but in the corners its no way near as nice to drive as the Murcielago. It feels heavy, lumpen and sluggish. Perhaps the reason why it has so much power, to compensate for the lack of cornering speed.
 
Pagey279
I know where you are coming from Sputnik, i would have been really surprised that the times were so similar if i hadnt driven the Aventador.
It looks great but in the corners its no way near as nice to drive as the Murcielago. It feels heavy, lumpen and sluggish. Perhaps the reason why it has so much power, to compensate for the lack of cornering speed.
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It could be a case of having a lot of understeer in exchange for stability. The Murci, from my experience, had a tendency to lose control in corners. It was more nimble, but it also felt like it was going to kill you if you tried to turn too fast. My (limited) experience with the Aventador has been the opposite. I haven't spun out at all, but I've hit a wall or two simply because the car is so hard to turn. Now that we have some legit comparison tests, that drastic understeer seems to be playing a role in lap times.
 
peter_vod69
Yeah thanks Alex - for describing the difference between the two using something other than numbers and flawed methodology.

PS - Disagreeing is "Trolling" now?
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Actually, one of your posts above is the most troll post in this thread :)

salikriaz
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Mature? we were just pointing out what was wrong with the tests...

and now their equal it's all good! i think

And sorry for trolling man
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Any pointers are always welcome, pointing out by trying to making someone look stupid is not welcome!

Anyhow, i think that my point has been proven.
 
I wasnt trying to make you look stupid! sorry if it seemed like it.. just trying to say stock vs stock is the way to go
 
Sputnik
the only thing was done to Murcielago was some Cats and Air filter parts installed to put them both on ruffly the same power level, only 40-50 hp gain, it's irrelevant!



If this discussion is not in your taste, that doesn't make me fail, i have a valid point!
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You added 40-50hp. That makes a big difference at Spa.
 
devildog666
You added 40-50hp. That makes a big difference at Spa.
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He made the power outputs fairly similar to test the HANDLING, this thread is not about power and straight line speed, its how they fair in the corners against each other. And you need similar power levels to do this.
From what i understand
 

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