My weekly time trials events are on hold for a few weeks

Discussion in 'GT6 Single Races & Time Trials' started by RuddRacer, Nov 2, 2015.

  1. SilverSE102

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    7:11.951 SilverSE102

    After about 50 tries, I made a miracle by completing my first lap around with this car after about 50 restarts. Then I started to go for a second lap and I was about 7 seconds up from the 7:11 time a few corners before the long straight and my one wheel caught the grass and ended up spinning out :banghead:. If I can pull it together I might actually pull off a 7:0x time.
     
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  2. Cowboy

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    Yes. I'll probably try to beat these times sometime this week ;).
     
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  3. JamCar0ne

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    Haven't been able to pull off a clean lap at nurb yet, but did run a few at RBR. Took a while to convince myself to start braking for turn one so early.

    1:34.343
     
  4. RuddRacer

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    That's a very impressive lap! :bowdown:

    OP updated
     
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    @RuddRacer, did you get my time for the Nurburgring? That 7:11 is valid, it was the lap after that I was getting within a few seconds of you guys when I spun out.
     
  6. RuddRacer

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    Not sure how I missed it, one way to tell is I will always mark the post with a "like" so I know if I've updated it yet.

    Good lap, sorry about that.
     
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  7. StanNz

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    Only done a short stint of 10laps at RBR. Not much time tonight. @JamCar0ne is correct, it takes some getting used to braking so early.
    Gone from 1.48s to 1.38s so far. Will try tomo to post a proper time.
     
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  8. RuddRacer

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    I agree, during my testing I spent a lot more time than I had planned just getting a couple of clean laps. For such a "simple" layout it sure requires some practice. I have the most trouble with the last half and in particular the next to last corner.
     
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  9. RuddRacer

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    @JamCar0ne you lit a fire under me, it took a while but I finally squeaked back ahead of you at the Red Bull Ring and I also managed to get below 7 min at the 'ring.

    New times for both tracks, OP updated.

    Nubrugring
    6'59.926

    RBR
    1'34.283
     
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  10. SilverSE102

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    No problem, and thanks. I didn't think I was going to be about 10 seconds behind, I was thinking I was going to do a 7:18-7:25 when I saw the times you guys were posting. If I can get another clean lap I might be able to knock another 7+ seconds off, there was a section where I lost around 3 seconds because I started fish tailing but I was able to recover.
     
  11. RuddRacer

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    Even as you are getting accustomed to not using TC & AS you can easily see the progress you have made by looking at the past results.

    You have significantly reduced the gap between our times at the Nurburgring.

    Week 3 delta was almost 22 seconds.
    Week 4 delta was a bit over 13.0 seconds.
    Week 5 delta was 7.5 seconds behind.
    Now is week 6 you are ~12.00 seconds behind.

    There may have been some exaggerations in the data but the overall trend is clear. You are catching me....:scared:

    Great progress @SilverSE102 :cheers:


    Edit: Next week we will be back to less powerful cars (The LFA is at the top of the performance group I will be using) but I do like to mix it up from week to week.
     
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    New time for Nurbrugring: 6'56.669. OP Updated
     
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  13. StanNz

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    1.37.034 RBR
    Not enjoying this TT with car sliding under braking so much and understeer so not even attempted nurburgring.
    Or is that my lower standard of driving skills.
    Will keep on trying tho
     
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    Sorry you are having such problems with the car. I did several laps at both locations before choosing it. I can agree the car does slightly understeer at the RBR but at the Nurburgring its much more neutral.

    Here is my BB settings which may help at RBR.

    RBR 6/6 (to help the rear rotate under braking)

    Nurburingring 2/7 (to prevent car from spinning during hard braking at the end of the long straight right before the start finish line.

    @SilverSE102 did you think the car suffered from understeer? On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being terrible understeer) I did not think its understeer is much more than 1.5 or 2.

    Of course we all have our own drivng style and impressions so nothing is definitive.
     
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    Week 7 Event Now Available

    Car: 2001 BMW Z8 / 492pp, 415bhp, 1610kg (w/ oil change) on SH tires (stock)
    Event 1 - Nurburgring Nordschliefe
    Event 2 - Eiger Nordwand - Short Track


    Nürburgring Nordschleife_5.jpg

    This is the last day of the week 6 event.

    OP updated.
     
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  16. StanNz

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    Am I right in thinking the last day for week 6 will be tomorrow for me in New Zealand as we are 19hrs ahead of you in Texas?
    You may be correct about the understeer of the car and that might be down to my driving style and technique for braking and turn in.
    It may also be the reason why my times are slower in this TT and during the WRS TTs.
    Like you have explained to @SilverSE102 how his times have improved, it is a good learning experience driving different cars with different tyres that we would not necessarily choose otherwise.
    Totally different experience driving the lexus on SS after the gtr touring car on RH
     
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    I would say the same for understeer around 1-2, the way I corrected it was to let off the gas some during turn in and that allowed me to work around the understeer. I used the stock brake balance as well, during hard braking I kept the car straight as possible to avoid getting into trouble.

    Try letting off the gas some during turn in, that might help you with the understeer. I know it helped me.
     
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    One correction I'm GMT -6 (not -5, I forgot to add hr when we rolled clocks back recently).

    You are correct, New Zealand is 19:00 hrs. ahead of me (I'm GMT -6 you are GMT +13) The deadline is 06:00 Sunday morning GMT (is midnight Sat night/ sun morning in Texas.) That would be 19:00 Sunday night for you (7:00 PM).
    It may be less confusion if I just say there are less than 24 hrs. to the end?

    Don't ever underestimate how much your perception changes based on the car you have most recently used. Had you jumped in the LFA after using the Camaro from the week 97 TT you would probably have a different opinion. :idea:

    The best method to counter understeer is trail braking (increase the rear BB as needed to get the car to rotate on corner entry). Engine braking with a manual transmission also helps and as @SilverSE102 on some cars just lifting off the throttle is enough to cure it. (mainly in the lower gears)

    @Tidgney did an excellent video for a previous GT Academy that has a car with major understeer. Its a long video but he goes into great detail and gives great advice. I'm going to attempt to do a link to it but just incase I will also put a link to the post were it is located.



    https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...uit-nissan-gt-r-nismo-gt-academy-2015.327225/

    Hang it there, you will get it but it does take time. :gtpflag:
     
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    Updated OP with my first lap time submissions for week 7. Included my Brake Bias settings also.

    Nurburgring (BB 5/6)
    7'48.089

    Eiger Nordwand (BB 3/7)
    1'12.778
     
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  20. SilverSE102

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    Here are my times for week 7, I used stock brake balance for my times. This car feels a little bit more slippery than the LFA, I started with the short track to get a feel of the car before tackling the Nurburgring. At the ring there wasn't as much oversteering like I had at Eiger Norwand.

    My last set of times for week 6 was the last time I had seat time with my wheel. :crazy:

    Nurburgring
    7:58.202

    Eiger Nordwand
    1:14.238
     
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    Not a bad start :tup: So you will or will not have the use of your wheel going forward?

    Just trying to mix up the type of cars we use and how they handle so its not the same every week. Its good that we challenge ourselves from time to time and leave our comfort zones (as long as we are still having fun) it will make us better drivers.

    IMO the Eiger track is much more difficult than the 'ring.

    @SilverSE how would you feel if we used a stock car next week but required an upgrade in the tranny so the final gear could be changed to a specific value I specified in the criteria. (its a great car but it redlines in high gear way too soon on the Nurburgring ring)
     
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    I'll still be using the wheel, it's not the wheel I have the problem with, it's my rig that sucks. Around tax return time I need to invest in a better rig that is more comfortable, with some of the problems I have I can not sit in for more than 1-2 hours. When I get off work, I don't want to get into it because I may not be able to get out of it. :lol:

    I don't mind on how you have this event set up, driving without the AIDS is helping me become a better driver. If you want to, do a test run next week with the transmission setup and maybe also run a "stock" lap to compare the difference.
     
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    You have the same stand as I do correct? Why don't you use some kind of chair, that is what I use.

    I did about 3 weeks ago. The car is past redline in high gear before the sharp right hand corner at the bottom of the hill right after the start/ finish line. Its bouncing off the limiter before you are 1/2 way down the first long straight (right before the second split location ( 1:28.x - 1:18.x into the lap depending on the car).

    The stock gear is a 3.560 making the top speed is 124 mph, I would pull my hair out on the two really long straights.
    All I did is put the final gear to a 3.000 and presto changeo no more bouncing off the redline. The car is way easy to drive, I've been dying to use it but have not because of the transmission problem.
     
  24. SilverSE102

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    No, I have the Fanatec CSL seat, it's the one I showed pictures to you. I didn't get the gtomega racing seat yet because I wanted to get the ps4 while it was at a good price, I only had enough money to do one or the other.

    Which car were you using? We can try the readjusted transmission for next week.
     
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    No problem, :D. I got a new time for the Nurburgring, at one point I was up by 3 seconds and by the final straight I was barely a second ahead, :irked: then I was able to knock a little more off going up the final hill before the finish.

    Nurburgring
    7:55.947 (stock brake balance)

    Eiger Nordwand
    1:12.901 (stock brake balance)
     
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  27. RuddRacer

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    The delta at the 'Ring is down to 8 seconds and you are right on my rear bumper at Eiger :cheers:. The brake bias change made the biggest difference at Eiger with its many low speed tight corners. Give it a try, it may make enough of a difference to overtake me (for now :sly:).

    I'm just logging off now I will update the Leaderboard when I get on tomorrow night.
     
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    Updated Leaderboard with my new times for both tracks.

    Nubrugring
    7'47.873

    Eiger Nordwand
    1'12464
     
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    finally was able to do a clean lap at nurb, it's slow but a start.

    8:15.843

    Eiger Nordwand
    1:13.321
     
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  30. SilverSE102

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    Don't worry, it just takes practice. Since I started doing these time trails without active steering and TC, I've come along way, I still struggle from time to time but it is a good learning experience. :cheers:
     
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