NASCAR in GT6?

[MattZR1]

I personally wouldnt mind having NASCAR in GT6 again. I had some fun times with the races in GT5 involving NASCAR. How do you think I got the within a hundredth of a second trophy?

I say just put in the just the 2013 or 2012 models but add even more sponsored cars and we would be good.

 

[ADR]

I voted yes, but so long as they get everything right this time. I hate the fact that the NASCAR cars in the game are too fast, going over 240(!!!) MPH at tracks like Daytona.

Well they were only going 240 at daytona because people ran them at full power. If you wanted to have realistic Daytona NASCAR you would have to restrict the power for daytona just like they do in real life.

 

[Ills1999]

All sanctioning bodies deserve their own game. This hodge podge will inevitably leave fans wanting.

 

[Gerarghini]

Apologies for reviving an old thread but word has it that we're going to get Daytona with a full day and night cycle. With this in mind, do any think PD may update the NASCAR racers to Gen6?

 

[Rob192005]

Have to agree with op,Nascar in my opinion is one of the worlds most boring sports.

 

[Conquerer]

NASCAR was implemented so poorly in GT5 that I really wondered if it would make the jump into GT6. Clearly the cars and those few tracks are still there, but I wonder if the NASCAR special events and championships will remain a part of the game.

But since they retained the cars they gotta still have the license, in which case why not. Don't mind me, just typing out loud.

 

[iRevelationz]

NASCAR was implemented so poorly in GT5 that I really wondered if it would make the jump into GT6. Clearly the cars and those few tracks are still there, but I wonder if the NASCAR special events and championships will remain a part of the game.

But since they retained the cars they gotta still have the license, in which case why not. Don't mind me, just typing out loud.

Agreed. I'm as big a NASCAR fan as anyone, but like you said, as poorly implemented as it was in GT5, it makes me wonder if it was even worth the effort on PD's part.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for every single car and track to be featured, but only 2/23 Sprint Cup tracks? Come on...

 

[MatskiMonk]

I don't think GT will ever fully replicate a championship series.. has it ever even had a full grid of SuperGT cars, with all the tracks on the calender?

I think the point of GT is to share as much as possible of the automotive world with the audience as possible. NASCAR is big in the US, I like and I live in the UK, and I'm glad they included it... just as I'd like them to include a few more Aussie V8's, BTCC cars, WTCC cars, DTM cars) but to make it interesting it did need another course or two, personally I'd have liked Bristol and Pheonix.. but it would have made sense to put in Rovals with the best infield courses.

I also think it would have been easy to implement an oval designer in the course maker.. there aren't that many variables (oval type/corners, banking at each corner, front straight/back straight length)... and bang, a new course.. just have a few different backdrops... it would surely be easier than the track designer they have now?

Grand-Am should be represented somehow too. One of the Ganassi Daytona 24 hour winning cars would be great.

Some classic stock cars from before it became a silhouette series would be good too.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'd be nice to finally get the Dodge Charger even if it's not around anymore, they did produce a Gen 6 version. Even if it was a plain car that would have been fun. 2012 BK car would have been nice too but oh well we still don't have every nascar from the generations they give us.

 

[Kart196]

I voted yes because I am a fan of nascar. Hopefully they will add the gen 6 cars...

 

[KM964]

"Should every NASCAR be in GT6?"

For all 40-ish cars and all of the tracks on the schedule to be in GT, I voted no.

Though, for a portion of the cars (maybe 20), some older/iconic cars (Dale Sr's #3 or Richard Petty's #43), and some of the tracks (Pocono, Texas, Watkins Glen, Infineon) to be in GT6, I would vote yes. If they're going to include a full lineup of racing cars, NASCAR would not be top priority on my list.

What they should do is just include the basic stock car from each manufacturer, then give you a choice of liveries to apply to it when purchasing, instead of having seperate cars for Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson.

 

[TetreRouge]

I don't think every NASCAR car should be in the game, but I'd love to see the truck series in the game.

 

[Furinkazen]

Daytona at night... yes please

 

[Gerarghini]

What they should do is just include the basic stock car from each manufacturer, then give you a choice of liveries to apply to it when purchasing, instead of having seperate cars for Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson.

+1

They should do this with the super GT cars as well.

 

[Sage Ages]

I want right turns.

 

[lintels123]

+1

They should do this with the super GT cars as well.

And every major series. They can do so much with Race Mods. They just need to do it right instead of random spec cars.

 

[Greyout]

NASCAR at Watkins glen would be fun

 

[Crumpet]

If they can somehow introduce wild crashes, a better sense of speed and a more realistic slipstreaming effect then NASCAR would work rather well.

 

[trobes29]

You know NASCAR is a niche motorsport, right? Yes, it's popular locally, but globally it lags behind F1 by about eight to one. It's not just as simple as that, either. As much as people like to argue that NASCAR isn't just ovals, the Sprint Cup, the top NASCAR series, has just two token road races out of a busy calendar filled with plenty of ovals, so the truth is that it really is an oval series.

This is important and very relevant because oval racing is a niche interest, since the vast majority of racing series around the globe are various sorts of road racing. Road racing's popularity obliterates ovals. Not surprisingly, in racing video games oval racing is absolutely dwarfed by a mountain of road racing games, including all your multi-million sellers like Gran Turismo, Forza Motorsport, and Need for Speed. Racing gamers want road racing, not roundy-round.

Don't look around at the folks you personally know and assume NASCAR is the big, hot thing, because it isn't. It's just hot in one country out of over two-hundred; one country that, while more populous than almost any other single nation, still accounts for just 4.5% of the world's population. The other 95.5% aren't NASCAR country.

"But NASCAR is viewed in over a hundred nations!" Yes, but if fifty people in Bullcrapistan tune in then those fifty count as viewership for a nation. It doesn't mean huge chunks of those populations are tuning in; just that somebody is.

The point is that NASCAR fans think the series needs a bigger presence in GT, but a larger oval presence doesn't really belong and it doesn't match the interests of the majority. Sure, most racing fans don't mind playing NASCAR a bit, but they don't want massive representation in GT.

So, what this means is we don't need more ovals or more NASCAR events, unless for every one new oval we get at least a dozen new non-NASCAR road courses, or similar for events. However, there is little excuse for not getting all Cup liveries in there since, if they already bother modeling the cars, liveries are just a matter of some texture maps to paint on the outside.

not to be a douche, but since you decided to be one i'll tell you a very fun fact. North America has the highest sales for gt5 in the world, so most of the people who play are in the U.S. Canada, or Mexico. So what you said isnt valid, as most gt5 players would like a return for NASCAR as most of them are american, and you can also include the other people around the world who like NASCAR also

 

[IceMan PJN]

Once again, the most pointless and incorrect anti NASCAR argument shows up.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctWuzIW7Bss">YouTube Link</a>

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I quit reading replies here.

I'm on my cell and reception is poor, but I bet those are links two NASCAR's two token road courses (in their top Sprint Cup series.) If so, it's a poor argument. Having 874 oval races per season and then dropping in two road courses doesn't count for anything. Okay, the Sprint Cup is 97.3% left rather than 100%. That 2.7% makes all the friggin' difference. That's like hand-picking a team of a hundred people, ninety-nine of them being men and one woman, and then arguing that you didn't just pick men. Yeah..., pretty much you did. Same with Sprint Cup. Yeah, there's two road races, but in reality it's still an oval series. You don't get to have almost entirely oval races and pretend it isn't fair to regard it as an oval series.

 

[KinLM]

I quit reading replies here.

I'm on my cell and reception is poor, but I bet those are links two NASCAR's two token road courses (in their top Sprint Cup series.) If so, it's a poor argument. Having 874 oval races per season and then dropping in two road courses doesn't count for anything. Okay, the Sprint Cup is 97.3% left rather than 100%. That 2.7% makes all the friggin' difference. That's like hand-picking a team of a hundred people, ninety-nine of them being men and one woman, and then arguing that you didn't just pick men. Yeah..., pretty much you did. Same with Sprint Cup. Yeah, there's two road races, but in reality it's still an oval series. You don't get to have almost entirely oval races and pretend it isn't fair to regard it as an oval series.

If you dislike NASCAR so much and don't accept that, while scarce, it DOES have road course racing, then why even post in this thread?

Most people in here are going to want NASCAR and talking about it in your tone is only going to anger others.

You can say that you don't want to see it in GT6 without going on a huge rant about how it's a small motorsport. Super GT is small too and that's in the game.

If it's the ovals you're upset about, well, you won't have to do much oval racing in the cars if this game is anything like GT5. You could always go to practice mode on a road course as well.

If it's the cars you don't like, well, you don't really have to use them. Unless you're obsessed with 100% game completion then I don't see the big deal.

I don't want NASCAR in GT6 either because it will likely be poorly implemented but you don't see me talking about "bullcrapistan" and making up silly statistics and being a general annoyance to those in this thread who would like to see NASCAR in GT6.

 

[avens]

It's weird seeing the usual F1 against NASCAR comments when in GT5 F1 is almost non existent. The priorities are quite clear really: none of those is yet NASCAR matters to PD a lot more than F1 does, and from what we've seen about GT6 so far it seems both matter even less to them.

Of course on F1 the licensing issues do play a role, both in cars and in tracks, but some of those are doable to get based on what other games and sims already feature.

Though trobes29 is wrong as well, since the GT series (including GT5 and GT5) and F1 are very much an European thing. http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html
Also he is assuming the American public would see NASCAR as a priority in GT5 when in reality it isn't, based on those games' sales and on this very forum over the years (I know this is a vocal minority).

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It's weird seeing the usual F1 against NASCAR comments when in GT5 F1 is almost non existent. The priorities are quite clear really: none of those is yet NASCAR matters to PD a lot more than F1 does, and from what we've seen about GT6 so far it seems both matter even less to them.

Of course on F1 the licensing issues do play a role, both in cars and in tracks, but some of those are doable to get based on what other games and sims already feature.

Though trobes29 is wrong as well, since the GT series (including GT5 and GT5) and F1 are very much an European thing. http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html
Also he is assuming the American public would see NASCAR as a priority in GT5 when in reality it isn't, based on those games' sales and on this very forum over the years (I know this is a vocal minority).

How does Nascar matter more to PD? Some is quite small compared to what Nascar is allowing as far a license goes. Also it's funny how you say one is preferred but note how licenses from FOM and manufactures make it tough to use these cars or tracks or impossible, so which is it? I mean I can understand saying that if you said this and the license to obtain F1 related items was much easier, then the correlation would be there.

 

[TheeFrogmanlego]

Not all gt 500 cars are the same, while most NASCAR's are identical on the outside

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Not all gt 500 cars are the same, while most NASCAR's are identical on the outside

How so? The Gen six cars look like their real life counterparts more so than they ever have for the past two decades. This is the closest they've looked since the 80s when they actually last used the stock cars. Just like DTM being spec but different on the outside, V8 supercars and the list goes on.

 

[avens]

How does Nascar matter more to PD? Some is quite small compared to what Nascar is allowing as far a license goes.

Car wise GT5 covers two NASCAR seasons, with at least 20 cars, whereas there's only one F1 team with 2.

Track wise they are similar, but the circuits that are in GT5 and currently used in F1 are classics not only because of that category, so they would be in the game no matter if they weren't currently on it. For example every year there's comments on Spa being removed but by many is considered to be the very best racing track in the world, and the Nurburgring circuit is only once every two years, which is another praised circuit that is right next to one of the main attractions of the game, the Nordschleife.

As I implied before, the best business decision for PD is to focus on F1, not in NASCAR, because GT objectively sells vastly more on 'F1 regions' and is the main racing category now and of all time. PD decided not to.

Also it's funny how you say one is preferred but note how licenses from FOM and manufactures make it tough to use these cars or tracks or impossible, so which is it? I mean I can understand saying that if you said this and the license to obtain F1 related items was much easier, then the correlation would be there.

Other games have proven there are workarounds regarding F1 licensing, for cars and particularly for tracks, and it has to be said in its whole history the wanted F1 content is larger than NASCAR's by a wide margin, particularly considering the iconic cars, tracks, classic variations of current and old circuits and even the Grand Prix days.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Car wise GT5 covers two NASCAR seasons, with at least 20 cars, whereas there's only one F1 team with 2. Track wise they are similar, but the circuits that are in GT5 and currently used in F1 are classics not only because of that category, so they would be in the game no matter if they weren't currently on it. For example every year there's comments on Spa being removed, but by many is considered to be the very best racing track in the world.

What? First off I explained it in the proper thread and many others why F1 (along with others) isn't fully exposed here or any other games outside of the proper and allowed F1 game builders. I've explained why newer tilke-domes aren't in GT or other games as well but non-tilke domes that fall under FIA and FOM are (e.g. F1 classics Spa or Suzuka).

Other games have proven there are workarounds regarding F1 licensing, for cars and particularly for tracks, and it has to be said in its whole history the wanted content is larger than NASCAR's, particularly considering the Grand Prix days.

Care to try and say which ones. I bet you I can debunk each one and I'm pretty sure I know which you are going to use already. The part in bold I don't understand can you elaborate?

 

[avens]

Only some circuits are under FIA's domain, but not the vast majority of circuits used in F1's history. Also what attracts people the most are the classics, not the Tilke international circuits that are bashed every single race (except for two exceptions, ever).
And as I said and proven, F1 is the racing series to get for PD, not NASCAR or any other, so it should be the focus. The only bigger license I can think of would be Top Gear, which isn't racing..

Look at every major sim ever made. For example we now know classic Lotus, current Williams and current Mclaren are for grabs, plus the already available Ferraris.

And about the bold part, in F1 there's at least one iconic car every 5 years and about 20 must get tracks, which could be increased by adding vintage versions. About Grand Prix, some people really believe NASCAR is older than F1, but in reality F1 dates from way earlier.

 

[Müle]

I quit reading replies here.

I'm on my cell and reception is poor, but I bet those are links two NASCAR's two token road courses (in their top Sprint Cup series.) If so, it's a poor argument. Having 874 oval races per season and then dropping in two road courses doesn't count for anything. Okay, the Sprint Cup is 97.3% left rather than 100%. That 2.7% makes all the friggin' difference. That's like hand-picking a team of a hundred people, ninety-nine of them being men and one woman, and then arguing that you didn't just pick men. Yeah..., pretty much you did. Same with Sprint Cup. Yeah, there's two road races, but in reality it's still an oval series. You don't get to have almost entirely oval races and pretend it isn't fair to regard it as an oval series.

Nobody said it wasn't an oval series, it clearly is.

His point was squashing the stupid argument that "lol nascar can't turn right hahahaha f1 is forever superior lol nascrash lol crapcar lololololol."

Take your anti-nascar bias and leave the hall.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Only some circuits are under FIA's domain, but not the vast majority of circuits used in F1's history. Also what attracts people the most are the classics, not the Tilke international circuits that are bashed every single race (except for two exceptions, ever).
And as I said and proven, F1 is the series to get, not NASCAR.

How have you proven a subjective claim...? Also what two exceptions, you'd be surprised how many Tilke tracks I like. If you want to compare tracks, there are far more classic F1 tracks than nascar tracks currently, hell they even took one out of the game that had been there (probably due to license).

Look at every major sim ever made. For example we now know classic Lotus, current Williams and current Mclaren are for grabs, plus the already available Ferraris.

And about the bold part, in F1 there's at least one iconic car every 5 years.

1 every five years??? Says who?

Once again what games, you're not really giving anything to work with, and I'm not going to assume which games you'll say.