The Weismann an M3 in drag? Looked it up, and you're right--looks kinda weird. Sounds like the pricing gouge hurts worse coming this way--it costs $140k here.
That ultima looks crazy--I bet it screams. It looks like the Weismann is not a kit car, but are any of the other ones you guys have talked about NOT kit cars? Live4speed, I think you're trying too hard to find something that you perceive as a better value than the vette is. You'd apparently rather PUT YOUR OWN CAR TOGETHER than just buy it! Are you serious? Even if you have the ability to do that yourself, which I highly doubt, do you honestly think the average consumer compares kit cars to real manufactured cars? I mean, you can get Caterhams here in the US, if that's how the game is played.There are dozens of companies that make cobra kits, mod vettes, vipers, mustrangs, or their own design completely, sourcing parts like ultima does. I guess I should have made it a little clearer. My question was not, "Can you get a faster track car for cheaper than a Corvette in the UK?" The question was, "will it sell in Europe?" Then, I asked about competition to the vette, in the context of SELLING (I think we've pretty well hashed through it's track competition) from a business perspective. Not "Can you find ANYTHING with 4 wheels that will go faster for less." The M3, Boxster, and 911 Carrera are all slower, but they are viable competitors to the Corvette (performance oriented, similar price + or -). A £20k kit car is NOT a viable competitor, no matter how much faster it is. In fact, I'm disinclined (from a marketing standpoint) to accept the Donkervoort (even though it's one of the few real production cars you've listed), since it is such a hard core racer (if it's anything like the Caterham). Again, i seem to be getting my answer indirectly--NO, there really isn't any competition to Porsche in Europe besides the BMW M cars, and even then they aren't very evenly matched. Given that base, I'd say its no wonder the Porsche has the reputation it has--it's all your average driver has. It is a wonder GM has taken so long, and that TVR is not making a bigger effort to go to the rest of Europe--the rest of Europe is a market with only fringe competition in their area. And I'll bet your average German would be hard pressed to choose between a TVR and a Vette.
That ultima looks crazy--I bet it screams. It looks like the Weismann is not a kit car, but are any of the other ones you guys have talked about NOT kit cars? Live4speed, I think you're trying too hard to find something that you perceive as a better value than the vette is. You'd apparently rather PUT YOUR OWN CAR TOGETHER than just buy it! Are you serious? Even if you have the ability to do that yourself, which I highly doubt, do you honestly think the average consumer compares kit cars to real manufactured cars? I mean, you can get Caterhams here in the US, if that's how the game is played.There are dozens of companies that make cobra kits, mod vettes, vipers, mustrangs, or their own design completely, sourcing parts like ultima does. I guess I should have made it a little clearer. My question was not, "Can you get a faster track car for cheaper than a Corvette in the UK?" The question was, "will it sell in Europe?" Then, I asked about competition to the vette, in the context of SELLING (I think we've pretty well hashed through it's track competition) from a business perspective. Not "Can you find ANYTHING with 4 wheels that will go faster for less." The M3, Boxster, and 911 Carrera are all slower, but they are viable competitors to the Corvette (performance oriented, similar price + or -). A £20k kit car is NOT a viable competitor, no matter how much faster it is. In fact, I'm disinclined (from a marketing standpoint) to accept the Donkervoort (even though it's one of the few real production cars you've listed), since it is such a hard core racer (if it's anything like the Caterham). Again, i seem to be getting my answer indirectly--NO, there really isn't any competition to Porsche in Europe besides the BMW M cars, and even then they aren't very evenly matched. Given that base, I'd say its no wonder the Porsche has the reputation it has--it's all your average driver has. It is a wonder GM has taken so long, and that TVR is not making a bigger effort to go to the rest of Europe--the rest of Europe is a market with only fringe competition in their area. And I'll bet your average German would be hard pressed to choose between a TVR and a Vette.
Wow...I remember that they built engines for WWI fighter aircraft, but I had no idea they were still in business.
. He said he absolutely LOVES British sportscars and he even wanted to buy MG, not Rover, but the MG badge and rights to the TF. He's got a new setup where a car can be easilly built left or right hand drive now as well, he's also been playing with quility control and he's created the best handling TVR to date, the Sagaris. While Wheeler concieved it and took it off the drawing board, Nikolai sent it back and had parts re-worked and the results are astounding to say the least. I have complete respect for Peter, he had TVR engraved on his heart, but Nikolai has the funding to do things at a higher standard and he's showing a similar level of dedication.
