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RandomCarGuy17
I have to say that I'm really annoyed that there's still no weather effects nor nightime racing in Forza. What does Turn 10 have against those features anyway?

Every other racing game I've played has either one of those features and didn't the original Forza have night courses?
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Same here. The fact that F5 does not have weather or night racing is why I decided not to buy it at launch. This will be the first Forza game I wont be buying at launch. Just NO excuse for lack of weather and night racing.
 
I guess it doesn't matter though for me, I won't be playing Forza 5 anyway. I'll watch gameplay of it on youtube when the game comes out. It's not because of the game though that's preventing me from buying it, I bet it'll be fantastic, I'm just against getting a xbox one right now.
 
CAMAROBOY69
Same here. The fact that F5 does not have weather or night racing is why I decided not to buy it at launch. This will be the first Forza game I wont be buying at launch. Just NO excuse for lack of weather and night racing.
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It's a launch title, they are probally being rushed into making the game
 
McLaren
Did you even bother playing the World Tour mode & not just the Events List?

It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure the game started off with hot hatches & low end sports cars before it jumped into supercars & LMPs. And there were plenty of races where it was difficult to go from last to first without playing bumper cars.

All I read in your post was really just an attempt to continue disregarding Mou's point that was more than valid, with silly excuses for why you still clinched to your original point & then tried to end it with a conclusion that neither game did it right. The simple point though, was in comparison between GT5 & FM4's career modes, FM4 offered a highly more diverse & difficult layout. The only thing you could give GT credit for was the license tests.
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Ok How is the World Tour mode even remotely comparable to a proper Kart series or spec miata series, or touring car series or formula series? It's not is it. You just jump from event to event like I said with no rhyme nor reason.

If you find three lap multiclass races exciting or racing around a butchered nurburgring, good for you. I find kart racing, rally racing, open wheel racing and the license tests to be a lot more interesting than what Forza4 offers.

I'm sorry, I thought this was the Forza section not the Forza fanboy section.
 
Zathra5_
Ok How is the World Tour mode even remotely comparable to a proper Kart series or spec miata series, or touring car series or formula series? It's not is it. You just jump from event to event like I said with no rhyme nor reason.
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I didn't say it was. What it starts off as, is going from a low tier car to a higher tier car, which is what you were complaining about.
If you find three lap multiclass races exciting or racing around a butchered nurburgring, good for you. I find kart racing, rally racing, open wheel racing and the license tests to be a lot more interesting than what Forza4 offers.
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Your entire argument continues to rest on these 2 things & nothing more. It still doesn't change the fact FM4 was a more diverse career path.

All those 3 things were nothing more than still just racing with a different vehicle.

Besides that, Kart Racing was nothing more than a mash the throttle & go, and let off the gas for certain corners. Rally racing is a joke & always has been a joke. GT does nothing to represent it in its fullest form. Open Wheel racing is nonexistent. 1 Ferrari F1 car & 1 made up F1 car is again, not representing the full sport at all.
I'm sorry, I thought this was the Forza section not the Forza fanboy section.
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So, I'm guessing that you have your nose up GT's rear in return. :rolleyes:

That's how this goes right with the witty insults? I'm sure you have more in that "big" pink organ in your skull.
 
McLaren
I didn't say it was. What it starts off as, is going from a low tier car to a higher tier car, which is what you were complaining about.
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No, I was complaining of a lack of a proper career mode.

Your entire argument continues to rest on these 2 things & nothing more. It still doesn't change the fact FM4 was a more diverse career path.
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So what am I missing. Where is this variety in the FM career path. The thing was pretty damn boring to me.

So, I'm guessing that you have your nose up GT's rear in return. :rolleyes:
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I guess that's why I've played more Horizon, iRacing, rFactor2 and pCARS in the last 6 months than I've played GT5.
 
Do you actually go from low tier to high tier in World Tour mode? Most of the time, World Tour mode just spit out unrelated events that fit whatever car you were currently driving as far as I can remember.
 
Yeah, World Tour was designed to let you choose what to drive. Any time it forces a certain kind of car, it's typically an R-class purpose-built. It's also kind of a waste of time because it seldom contributes to your completion percentage (many of the events count for nothing) and the AI is dumbed down relative to the Event List. All WT is good for is getting all of the achievements, IMO.

Furthermore, just because some races are difficult that doesn't mean you're amply rewarded for a solid 3rd place finish, or provided any meaningful opportunity to win by points instead of collecting gold trophies. There's only those two-heat championship races. I agree with Zathra5_ about FM4 being another typical chase for 1st place.
 
Tornado
Do you actually go from low tier to high tier in World Tour mode? Most of the time, World Tour mode just spit out unrelated events that fit whatever car you were currently driving as far as I can remember.
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Until you start raking in the level rewards and/or managed enough credits to splurge, yeah you had to work your way up.

World Tour did revolve around the car you were currently using though.
 
There are 3 A Class cars available for only 30k, and the cheapest B class car is only 8; and that's assuming you don't poke around the auction house and find one of those "need to get rid of this money pit" 1k auctions with maxed out cars that everyone tends to ignore. I don't really think that counts as working your way up.
 
I don't remember that at all, I remember there were only hatchbacks available at first and I'm not even completely clear on that much.

Unless you picked up the game post-DLC where it was integrated into everything... I really don't remember that. :lol:
 
...but, the tour stopped if you didn't have a car that the game was generating an event for. I couldn't understand this for the life of me. if I had all Porsches, I should be able to go up the ladder.
 
05XR8
...but, the tour stopped if you didn't have a car that the game was generating an event for. I couldn't understand this for the life of me. if I had all Porsches, I should be able to go up the ladder.
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No it doesn't. Even if there aren't any car or manufacturer-specific races for the chosen car for whatever reason, there's still general class challenges.

And your example of Porsche wasn't the best to use considering there are events specifically for it.
 
Terronium-12
I don't remember that at all, I remember there were only hatchbacks available at first and I'm not even completely clear on that much.
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The very first race gave you a bunch of F class crapboxes to choose from as your first car. My first car was the VW Up. You could immediately ditch that and buy something else as soon as you had the money (and I did), which would take something like 3 races. My second car was a Corrado VR6. My third car was the Dodge Stealth; and at that point I'm pretty sure I never looked back on anything lower than C Class in World Tour again until I bought the DLC that had the Corvair in it last month. Since the Stealth and Corrado differ in price by only 2k (as does the slightly faster GTO), I probably could have gone all the way to B almost immediately after starting the game, before I even advanced to the next career level.
 
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Terronium-12
No it doesn't. Even if there aren't any car or manufacturer-specific races for the chosen car for whatever reason, there's still general class challenges.
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It did. I remember reading it on the official Forza forums. When it chose the 3 races to choose from, it didn't always choose from the entire list of races. You may not recall it because I believe it was fixed in a patch.

TokoTurismo
Yeah I agree. They also probably couldn't finish the SF and AH as well, so they must have had come up with something different. I have a bad feeling about this. :ouch:
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Why? They have a perfectly valid and worthwhile replacement for both. It doesn't sound like a stopgap by any means.
 
HAL20XX
It did. I remember reading it on the official Forza forums. When it chose the 3 races to choose from, it didn't always choose from the entire list of races. You may not recall it because I believe it was fixed in a patch.
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I stand corrected for the second time then.
 
Tornado
The very first race gave you a bunch of F class crapboxes to choose from as your first car. My first car was the VW Up. You could immediately ditch that and buy something else as soon as you had the money (and I did), which would take something like 3 races. My second car was a Corrado VR6. My third car was the Dodge Stealth; and at that point I'm pretty sure I never looked back on anything lower than C Class in World Tour again until I bought the DLC that had the Corvair in it last month. Since the Stealth and Corrado differ in price by only 2k (as does the slightly faster GTO), I probably could have gone all the way to B almost immediately after starting the game, before I even advanced to the next career level.
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I started with the Ford Ka ran the first little series of races and that was about enough of that. I got a couple of friends, went online to Nurburgring in stock cars from the dealers section and ran a few races. I used a token to buy the Bentley race car, put a quick tune on it and posted #1 times on all the oval tracks then placed the tune for sale in my storefront. between the sales of the tune, the racing on the ring and rivals I was rolling in cash with the 50 gift cars and free parts in no time at all.

I really did not like the single player mode in Forza 3 or 4 much at all. I think i did about 40 or maybe 50% in 3 and maybe less than 10% in 4. Just don't interest me much the way they did it. most races are to short, long delays between races [dialog and loading times] crappy AI that drives into you quite often and no reward to speak of beyond the small credit prize and a few achievement points.

In Forza 2 you unlocked and won a car for completing each of the events which gave some motivation to run them. There weren't nearly so many so it did not take forever to complete them, some of the races were longer and better races and of course they had leader boards for career mode so you could try and beat your friends best race time. the result was where I did not complete the career mode in either 3 or 4 I must have went through it 4 or 5 times on 2, especially the Maple Valley and Nurburgring endurance races.
 
Terronium-12
No it doesn't. Even if there aren't any car or manufacturer-specific races for the chosen car for whatever reason, there's still general class challenges.

And your example of Porsche wasn't the best to use considering there are events specifically for it.
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I ve replayed Forza 4 a few times. when I kept the cars I won, I was able to complete all levels in the world tour. when I deleted several cars, I reached a point where the world tour wouldn't continue because the game said I either don't have a car for the next race or please choose a car for the next race.

For example, I had the Falcon coupe, Mazda LMP, NA MX5 and all Porsches. now, the game is supposed to generate the events(not the separate general events) based on the car youre driving. I shouldn't be halted from continuing because I don't have a BMW in my lineup to continue playing through the tier. regardless if its a D-350, C-425, A-599 level car.

please, anyone let me know if anyone has finished the World tour from F-class cars to R1 using Porsche and has not had to buy another car from another manufacturer to finish the World Tour. Not the general play.
 
That's odd.

That may have happened to me but I never considered it to be a big deal, apparently I was rather mistaken.
 
it was cool when I had enough to purchase a car. not so cool after I spent my last on an expensive car.
 
Mayaman
No night or weather. Ugh.
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Dont worry we get orange peel :)

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People are baggin on my opinion, but I expect my next gen racer to at least live up to the last gen. Prettier graphics are not enough. Keep bashing but this game looks to be a shell of its former self.
 
Mayaman
People are baggin on my opinion, but I expect my next gen racer to at least live up to the last gen. Prettier graphics are not enough. Keep bashing but this game looks to be a shell of its former self.
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To be a "shell of its former self", it would have to have significantly less than the last game did. Other than the probability of a smaller car count (and probably a smaller track one too), what exactly is it missing from FM4? We still don't know a lot of the details.
 

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