New PSM Issue #95 - New Gran Turismo News as Well as Review

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tha_con
Visual errors are not bugs. A bug would be when the game crashes. Or wiping out a memory card. Or glitches in the credit system. I have seen no such thing. No mem card battles is not a bug...name some "bugs". REAL bugs.
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Well in comparison to GT3 which seems more polished as an overall package, although it's sort of like GT2 which was a bigger game than GT1 but had various things going wrong.
 
tha_con
Visual errors are not bugs. A bug would be when the game crashes. Or wiping out a memory card. Or glitches in the credit system. I have seen no such thing. No mem card battles is not a bug...name some "bugs". REAL bugs.
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There are reports of bugs and glitches all over this forum. It doesn't matter, you probably got your GT googles on and would ignore what anybody says bad about GT4 and twist it so it looks like they're talking s**t.

BUGS, I have been a game tester on 6 games now, on various platforms. I also work in software and audio engineering. Don't try to tell me what software BUGS are!

:lol: You re a 1st class idiot. ;)
 
Ebiggs
Until you can make a better game, quit critisizing GT4 for the little details.
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God I can't stand it when people say crap like this.

first off - most of the flaws mentioned here are not "little details"

secondly, you are saying that Cobra_UK shouldn't complain, because he can't make a game better then the result of dozens and dozens of professional game developers who:
1) Are on their 4th lap of the same track, so to speak
2) apparently work so hard that they sleep under their desks and don't go home for months at a time
3) have a multi-multi-multi million dollar budget

Does the same logic apply when an airplane crashes? Family of the victims can't complain because its not like they could have flown the plane any better?
 
Everyone can be as critical as they want. There are some simple solutions:

1. Don't buy GT4.
2. Play Forza or Enthusia instead of or in addition to GT4.
3. Start your own software devlopment company and create your own racing game.

The fact still remains that wheter one likes or dislikes GT4 we are all here on a GT inspired message board. Something must have gone correctly in this series if this many people spend this much time discussing a game. If the GT series was so terrible none of us would be here talking about it. Should the GT series improve? Of course! Should we have complaints if things aren't the way we had hoped they would be? Of course! But at least play the damn thing first and compare it to Enthusia and Forza when they actually come out.

Everyone, have a good day.
 
The funniest thing about this thread is the people complaining about a game that they haven't even played. Unless you have played the game, then I apologise.
 
I have played the game, a friend has a chipped PS2 and a Japan GT4. I understand what you're saying Race Idiot though.

By the way someone earlier said on this thread, that 2 player features are back in for the PAL release of GT4. 1st this is not confirmed officially yet, 2nd KY/PD/SCEE have promised plenty of things in the past they have not delivered. I'll believe it when I see it. ;)
 
All I hope for is that the online disc is not going to be a myth and will actually be released, I'm getting bored of "racing" the AI.
 
Cobra_UK
By the way someone earlier said on this thread, that 2 player features are back in for the PAL release of GT4. 1st this is not confirmed officially yet, 2nd KY/PD/SCEE have promised plenty of things in the past they have not delivered. I'll believe it when I see it. ;)
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Well the news comes from someone who has been spot on so far regarding GT4, so i'm hoping it's true.
 
It would be good if they learn from magazine/internet/customer reviews and GT4 Online is released and improved. I really hope so. Don't have much faith left in the GT series unfortunately. :-( Maybe the PS3/GT5 will restore my faith...
 
Race Idiot
Well the news comes from someone who has been spot on so far regarding GT4, so I'm hoping it's true.
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I'm with you mate. Fingers crossed.
 
Cobra_UK
OK, perhaps I’m not making myself understood well enough.

I have an XBOX and a PSTwo and a PC. I always put playability before graphics. GT4 is an extremely beautiful game. Enthusia has better looking cars but worse tracks. Forza Motorsport has better cars and tracks but the lighting is wrong. HOWEVER. Both Enthusia and Forza Bring something new, something that enriches the gaming experience. GT4 is same as GT just much, much better graphics. Even worse, it’s actually less than GT in terms of playability due to the lack of multiplayer features. Sorry to say, but it’s not enough.

Now I could race in a stunning looking car on a stunning looking track. But with s**t AI my experience and the replay won’t cut it. How about 2 player? Well I can buy any car I want, increase it’s performance in every aspect, tune it to my style of driving. BUT I can’t race it against my friend’s prodigy like I use to. Even if I could I can’t save a memorable race replay for posterity.

How about having my car in the game? Well I have a classic BMW E30 hybrid in the shape that is still called the best looking BMW of all time. IT’S NOT IN GT4. It’s in Enthusia with it’s –250 cars and GT4 with 750+ car doesn’t have it.

Make the game challenging for me then. DAMAGE. Simulated, I go on track, abuse the car, hit other cars, loose control, I’ll pay for it dearly, I could even loose my car. OK not visual damage I understand, but at least simulated, just icons and numbers. NO? Can’t have that either.

Photo Mode and B-Spec, sorry not enough, nowhere nearly enough to make me think GT4 is this incredible improvement on previous GT3 and this masterpiece you’re all talking about. Not even going to mention ONLINE and those “almost” real replays where you see stupid ******g 2D cardboard or 3D spectators that did nothing for nobody in the first place.

I’m looking for FEATURES to improve my virtual driving experience by myself and with friends. Compared to GT3, GT4 is very much the same, if not worse due to lacking my multiplayer options/features.

Of course this is my take on it, but it’s honest and heartfelt…
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Do you even have the game?
 
Taneras
Do you even have the game?
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As I said in a previous post, on this thread, I've been playing it for about 3 weeks now as my friend has a import copy.
 
Why in the hell do I care about a review in an american magazine about a japanese version of a game that I'm going to buy that's going to be revised for a US release?

I'll buy the first magazine that has a demo disk of GT4 in it and/or a review of the AMERICAN version of GT4.

I mean, no offense, but as much of a GT fanboy that I am, when I was out the other day at the magazine rack, unless it had a demo of the game or a 10 page review, I wasn't buying it.

As far as GT4 being a racing game, KY has stated that he wants GT to be an encyclopedia of cars, the fact that we get to race them is a bonus I guess.

Can't save replays? I'd blame that on the ridiculous 1000 car garage save.
 
Cobra_UK
As I said in a previous post, on this thread, I've been playing it for about 3 weeks now as my friend has a import copy.
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Then I respect your opinion, hope you aren't as dissapointed with Forza or Enthuisia as you are with GT4...

Cheers
 
well, i got psw, they gave it 9/10, anyone else in uk get it cos its got huge review and loadsa vids of it on the dvd 👍
 
Truth is that it's all relative. If GT4 was the first game in the series I would marvel at it's glory. It's no mean feat what KY/PD/SCEE have done. BUT the thing is, after selling over 15 million GT games world-wide, doing this driving game formula for nearly 10 years, you'd think they'd get it right... THEY HAVEN'T. Flawed masterpiece as in GT4 is not working for me. It's not like on the PC where I'll get a patch or add-on pack to introduce the features we want or fix the problems it has. It's a one shot deal. It's why one expects perfection when buying a console game. Normally they get it. The first GT on the PSOne was just perfection. GT had no spectators, best physics to that point, best visuals, and 2 player features to keep us playing for years. If I said it once I'd have said it a thousand times. GT4 should have been to GT3 what GT2 was to GT.

My vision of GT4 was this:

Keep graphics engine as GT3.
Take out spectators completely, just pit crews, marshals and drivers.
Make 3D Wheels in game.
Allow for 2 open top cars in any race, including 2 player/LAN.
Put all the old tracks in as well as new ones to make about 70 tracks.
Have at least 700 cars in and make sure they include as many classic sports cars/icon cars as possible.
Introduce simulated damage, not visual, coloured icon system.
Keep oil change and car wash.
Add ability to have custom visual effects on replay before saving it.
Improve physics, sound and AI.
Add the ability to have generic front and rear spoliers to any road car.
Keep the 2 player garage cars racing and make it available in LAN mode too.
Ensure there is no pop-ups, glitches or bugs.
Polish the game extensively.

This would have easily been possible with all the extra PS2 power that was apparently tapped into. It would have been a much better game on all levels. It would have taken less time to make, by not having to make a new graphics engine. I would have been a much better last GT game on PS2 hardware to prepare us for the PS3 and GT5.
 
It always makes me laugh when people excuse GTs crap AI by saying 'its a driving game! not a racing game!' Errrmmm but what, the entire career mode is based about racing other cars & earning cash? They would have gotten away with crap AI if the online mode had been included as originally promised & not as a cash-in 'expansion' which may not even appear.

As I think CVG said, 'GT4 is an evolution not a revolution'. But it easily could have been which is what dissapoints me. As CobraUK said they could have implemented a non visual car damage, similar to Sega GT 2002/Online perhaps which also penalised you for crashing into other cars by reducing your winnings (to pay for repairs) & parts wore out.
 
Oh, don't get me wrong, the AI is attrocious in GT3, and I'm sure there is no marked improvement in 4.

Pull out your old copies of GT1 and play it, the cars where all over the track, not lined up like soldiers at meal time.

The sad truth is, even if GT4 is pure crap with an extra coat of wax, people are still going to buy it, they are still going to justify the purchase, and will probably play it to death.

However, I find myself playing GT2 currently because the car selection is good, and the races are fun. I find myself not playing GT1 only because it is too easy to make money and upgrade the cars, but the AI is much more challenging to race against, and the cars look like they are being driving individually, not linked together by an invisible tow strap.
 
All the same old things people say is wrong with the GT series is pretty much true.
But the good outweighs the bad by such a huge margin, you don't ever think about that stuff when playing. Does anyone really give a rats @$$ about 2d spectators when hauling b@ll$ around the 'ring?
 
"It's an astounding lapse in realism for a series that so highly prizes and touts its own authenticity." -PSM
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Indeed.

Driving fast is all about getting as close as possible to the limit, without going over it. About assessing to go a little faster, knowing that when you pass the limit, you will loose much more time then you could have won.

In Gran Turismo, you can often pass the limit without loosing time. This takes away much of the thrill of driving on the edge. Even if you do not want to cheat.
 
The ring, the ring the ******g ring. 3 other games have the ring in it VQ35, Project Gotham Racing 2, Forza Motorsport, Enthusia. I don't want any spectators 2D or 3D either. It's not about that, read the posts of others please mate. I'd also like to say that since the 1st GT I play the sequels less and less. GT4 has the lowest longevity out of the lot. Bad AI and lack of decent multiplayer features will make for a very low replay value once completed. If you don't get bored before that. 3 weeks and I've already started to be very disappointed with this game. Hell I don't think I seen daylight when I bought the first GT for months. :lol:
 
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All the same old things people say is wrong with the GT series is pretty much true.
But the good outweighs the bad by such a huge margin, you don't ever think about that stuff when playing. Does anyone really give a rats @$$ about 2d spectators when hauling b@ll$ around the 'ring?
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I agree on that, people always whine about what they don't have instead of what they experience. For all those whiners quit playing games. The total package is awesome. Secondly PD are one of the most talented coders around in the bizz and in all truth they make a whole lot of coders a shame.

The bottom line is people have always something to whine, hope they release GT5 in about 10 years. So every one can whine why it has to take so long.

Criticising is good and should be, tough placing it in perspective is what most can't... there for they create threads with the same things over and over. I feel pitty for those who can't appreciate there own experience while playing GT4.
 
Cobra_UK
The ring, the ring the ******g ring. 3 other games have the ring in it VQ35, Project Gotham Racing 2, Forza Motorsport, Enthusia. I don't want any spectators 2D or 3D either. It's not about that, read the posts of others please mate. I'd also like to say that since the 1st GT I play the sequels less and less. GT4 has the lowest longevity out of the lot. Bad AI and lack of decent multiplayer features will make for a very low replay value once completed. If you don't get bored before that. 3 weeks and I've already started to be very disappointed with this game. Hell I don't think I seen daylight when I bought the first GT for months. :lol:
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so basiclly you want a gt game crafted too exactly how you want it?
 
cobra_uk

Let me guess....you don't like GT4.

Overall, the GT series is still the best effort any developer has put out.

This may change with Forza and Enthusia.

When they come out we will all be back beating this poor, very dead, nearly decomposed horse some more.
 
man....you guys are depressing the hell out of me...

c'mon....are you guys really this dissapointed?....

I am so looking forward to the release of this game and I feel that some of you are unfairly blowing it for many of us...

I agree with one comment (above)...well, in my own words.

Allthough PD did spoil us with GT1 and GT2 with the half decent racing (challenge), the Gran Turismo franchise has always focused, I feel, on the appreciation of the automobile...not just racing.

We have been spoiled. Period.

KY and PD have given us the opportunity to drive cars that most of us will never ever own...not most of us...most likely 99.9999% of us...I dont care if you have a Supra and you spent $100,000 on it...Do you have a GNX or a Panoz too? No. You dont....and closest you'll ever have the opportunity to do so will be this game.

This game is for simulated automobile enjoyment. Be thankful that there is someone smart enough in our lifetime to provide us with this masterpiece....or just go play Burnout.

Later.
 
ScottinPA
man....you guys are depressing the hell out of me...

c'mon....are you guys really this dissapointed?....

I am so looking forward to the release of this game and I feel that some of you are unfairly blowing it for many of us...

I agree with one comment (above)...well, in my own words.

Allthough PD did spoil us with GT1 and GT2 with the half decent racing (challenge), the Gran Turismo franchise has always focused, I feel, on the appreciation of the automobile...not just racing.

We have been spoiled. Period.

KY and PD have given us the opportunity to drive cars that most of us will never ever own...not most of us...most likely 99.9999% of us...I dont care if you have a Supra and you spent $100,000 on it...Do you have a GNX or a Panoz too? No. You dont....and closest you'll ever have the opportunity to do so will be this game.

This game is for simulated automobile enjoyment. Be thankful that there is someone smart enough in our lifetime to provide us with this masterpiece....or just go play Burnout.

Later.
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im not worried what so ever, i have prolouge and was impressed by that! let alone what gt4 is going too offer, having the ring and la mans makes me sooo happy. No matter how good a game is people are going too whine about somehing. id be happy if gt4 was like gt3 with ore cars, But it isnt its got brilliant physics judging by prolouge, 50 much nicer tracks, much better rallying, sense of speed has been increased ten fold etc etc etc
 
You haven't been spoiled with GT series guys. You just had no other options. And the GT formula has not been revolutionised enough by it's pioneers, KY/PD. Now, in March things are going to be different.

Enthusia and Forza Motorsport are about to change that.

I'll get to race my real life car in Enthusia and with dynamic weather, 3D alloys and dynamic lighting. By the way I have seen screenshots of Enthusia in which it proves that upgrades and such can be bought. With the best physics I've seen yet. No replay I've saved in GT4 shows cars move so true to life like Enthusia does.

Oh and I'll be playing online and chatting online with people while playing Forza Motorsport. Experiencing damageable cars and dynamic tracks. Be part of huge online car clubs. Customizing my car in endless ways. Maybe even get downloadable new cars and tracks.

Meanwhile all of the GT fanboys that think I'm talking s**t right now are gonna play the same old GT. In nearly 10 years all that's changed is the graphics. Oh and now you got Photo Mode and B-Spec in exchange for loosing some unmissable multiplayer features and racing kits for all cars.
 
Cobra_UK
You haven't been spoiled with GT series guys. You just had no other options. And the GT formula has not been revolutionised enough by it's pioneers, KY/PD. Now, in March things are going to be different.

Enthusia and Forza Motorsport are about to change that.

I'll get to race my real life car in Enthusia and with dynamic weather, 3D alloys and dynamic lighting. By the way I have seen screenshots of Enthusia in which it proves that upgrades and such can be bought. With the best physics I've seen yet. No replay I've saved in GT4 shows cars move so true to life like Enthusia does.

Oh and I'll be playing online and chatting online with people while playing Forza Motorsport. Experiencing damageable cars and dynamic tracks. Be part of huge online car clubs. Customizing my car in endless ways. Maybe even get downloadable new cars and tracks.

Meanwhile all of the GT fanboys that think I'm talking s**t right now are gonna play the same old GT. In nearly 10 years all that's changed is the graphics. Oh and now you got Photo Mode and B-Spec in exchange for loosing some unmissable multiplayer features and racing kits for all cars.
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Your problem is ,you excepted to much.
 
Where do I buy these special "physics seeing" goggles? Silly me I've been busy feeling the effects of physics my whole life.

I think it would be wise to actually wait for Enthusia to be released before trying to compare the two. Maybe it will be more pleasing than GT4, maybe it won't. Let's just wait and see, or, feel.
 
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