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your points are dumb. you just basically told everybody that has problems with aknowledged flaws to get over them. that's like telling fat people to eat less.
What I'm saying is...it's a glandular problem. Oops I meant use your brain before you rationalise things away.
GT4 has flaws, but it's still undeniably righteous. That doesn't change the fact that people are DISAPOINTED, you can't make that go away, and you can't stop them from whining about it. When you're disapointed about something you were eagerly anticipating, it's like a part of you is dead. It's a sinking, hollow feeling that makes you pissy and irritable. Being near a keyboard when you're pissy and irritable produces mixed results.
To me, GT4's title of "the drive of your life" or "the real driving simulator" should just be replaced with "placeholder" or "the last boring one, we promise"
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Just to elaborate on why people are losing their patience with the series, and why people say it's running around in circles: a game being called a driving game is weak. No excuses, it's weak. This is a racing game, you race against other cars on RACE tracks, you don't shuffle around the streets in driving conditions (that would be dull, no?)
Making a game that appeals to certain people because they're obsessive doesn't make it a good game. A game needs good structure, gameplay, challenge, and, hopefully, offers a new experience. Many people here that are DEFENDING THE GAME say racing the a.i. is pointless, that it's a driving game. I don't see any games for gun nuts that just involve you servicing guns and firing them at a range. That would be incredibly dumb and boring. You'd need something to shoot, to add excitement, and cool levels and music, and a story to make a good shooter. Therefore, GT needs a compelling racing dynamic (hopefully the online disk isn't a joke and it doesn't cost full price) to complement the physics. But people buy this "car encyclopedia" bull**** and actually use it in defense of a game that sorely needs shaping up when it comes to the actual gameplay experience.
The fact that other racing games are much more fun to play than GT3 should have been a sufficient kick in the pants for PD to revise their gameplan. But, as T5-R said previously, they seem to arrogant or ignorant of their fans to change the formula. No joking, in a recent interview, Kaz said he didn't make the GT series for fans, but for himself. That kinda says it all.
Best post of the day.
I'm a huge GT fan, but I also have experience in other racing games just as deeply. I've still yet to see AI methods in GT as well executed as Test Drive LeMans/ Le Mans 24 Hrs., Grand Prix Challenge (same developer) or even TOCA 2.
GT has a lot of improving that is long overdue. Granted, what it does, it does better than anyone else within the industry. However, poor AI, lack of Mem-card Garage battles (TBA for US release) and supreme Japanese vehicular bias has no excuse for it. What happened to the simulated damage from GT2's arcade mode? Hell, I understand that it's better not to do something, than to half-ass it (ala Forza's damage model), but COME ON. Gimme somethin' to go on.
No matter how much one tries to use the marketing buzzwords as a crutch, an excuse is an excuse. And this is coming from a GT fan as well.
Seriously, how many goddamned Skylines do we friggin' need, man?! Where's my mutha'f'n Shelby Cobra GT 500, DAMMIT?!! *
calming down, calming down*
If Kaz wanted to make a real encylopedia of cars, then he should have simply headed over to fast-autos.net or supercars.net, simply cut n' pasted most of the roster there and begin working from that reference material. Seriously, if I wanted a Loctite Zexel GT-R, then I'd simply apply the damned decal myself on a self customized version. Taking into consideration IF(!) they would even give me the option, that is. Or give me, at least, the option to simply palette swap the car considering that it's the exact same car as the Calsonic and the Mobil GT-R's. I don't care about yet ANOTHER FR wide-bodied Skyline that's the same as the others.
I love everything that GT4 has to offer so far and hopefully(!) more will be implemented/corrected in the most important US release this month. However, it's dumping its fair share of disappointments where
yes, it does give you the feeling of losing your momentum of support and simply hollowing you out in the process. Seems to me that now I have to run to Enthusia for stronger racing mechanics and suffer through Forza's lackadaisical 30fps, faked damage model performance just to get a complete meal that should've all been implemented into one cohesive whole. ONE game, not 3 different versions of the same expression.
Polyphony needs to get the **** off of their high-horse and give us what the hell we want. Or next time, they won't get most of us at ALL.
. I say this because we have to stop whining cause you don't think the other things you mentioned are problems. The AI thing for me is a problem because I don't play GT with other people. As I can imagine, there are other gamers like me that don't play with others either. So if the AI sucks you can imagine some people are pissed off about it and start whining.
