No love for the Controller?

[watermelon punch]

I'm sitting here reading all of these posts and haven't even explained why I gots deh love for my DS3. The reason I use it (aside from not being able to buy a wheel/even have space for it) is because I'm used to it. Not only that but I've grown to love the different feel the DS3 have that actually sitting in a car and on top of that I feel like I can focus more with just a TV blaring in my face that having to also focus on a wheel along with shifting. Not hating, just giving why I have my preference.

I think I understand what you mean.
Kind of like I don't need gt5 to be too terribly realistic.
I'm in it for the unrealistic!
I don't want to be strapped in!

 

[IamKillax]

it's a console video game. controller4lyfe

 

[Gejabo]

How many race cars can you drive without a great chance of dying when you screw up?



No room here even if we were rich. Well, not unless we want our aged (like us) friends & family to think we're completely weird with a cockpit set-up in the living room.

That is exactly what I have here.
It is always in front of the couch, who cares what other people think.

We live in a 45m^2 apartment.
My girlfriend has two cages for her little rodents.
And I have a steering wheel.

 

[Ronald6]

my girlfriend has two cages for her little rodents.
And i have a steering wheel.

+1

 

[watermelon punch]

That is exactly what I have here.
It is always in front of the couch, who cares what other people think.

We live in a 45m^2 apartment.
My girlfriend has two cages for her little rodents.
And I have a steering wheel.

To each their own of course!

But I see that you're not married.
You likely don't have children.
You're over 30... but apparently not in your 40s & 50s.

And maybe you don't have the kind of lifestyle where it matters.

Not everyone is the same.

But I have to say...
To say, "Who cares what other people think?" is B.S.
That is a B.S. luxury delusion mostly believed only in youth.

EVERYONE cares what other people think at some point, about something.
All people are dependent upon each other in a society.

You MUST care what your employer thinks.
You MUST care what your friends think.
You MUST care what society thinks about how you treat your children.
(I believe in most countries, it is illegal to neglect your children, and in many countries it's illegal to abuse them.)

If you've got a business, you MUST care what your customers think.

You must care what your spouse thinks.
You have to care what your neighbors think.

Otherwise, people would let their dogs crap in their neighbors' yards.
People would tell their bosses to "f-off" & keep their jobs?
Wives would tell their husbands "go to heck", and stay married?

I don't think so.

 

[Gejabo]

To each their own of course!

But I see that you're not married.
You likely don't have children.
You're over 30... but apparently not in your 40s & 50s.

And maybe you don't have the kind of lifestyle where it matters.

Not everyone is the same.

But I have to say...
To say, "Who cares what other people think?" is B.S.
That is a B.S. luxury delusion mostly believed only in youth.

EVERYONE cares what other people think at some point, about something.
All people are dependent upon each other in a society.

You MUST care what your employer thinks.
You MUST care what your friends think.
You MUST care what society thinks about how you treat your children.
(I believe in most countries, it is illegal to neglect your children, and in many countries it's illegal to abuse them.)

If you've got a business, you MUST care what your customers think.

You must care what your spouse thinks.
You have to care what your neighbors think.

Otherwise, people would let their dogs crap in their neighbors' yards.
People would tell their bosses to "f-off" & keep their jobs?
Wives would tell their husbands "go to heck", and stay married?

I don't think so.

Wasn't meant that serious but ok.

True not everybody is same! 👍

Your right I'm not maried and don't have kids.
I mean a 45 m^2 apartment with children would be irresponsible (in my opinion)
I'm 37.

And of course it matters what my employer thinks.
But not what he thinks about what I'm doing in my own home.
That is none of his business.
And for your friends, if your friends don't can get over the fact that your hobby involves something they are not used to. You might reconsider if they should be your friends in the first place (or even are).
Like you said not everybody is the same

The comment about care about what they think about how you tread your children is in this case irrelevant and off topic (we were talking about a steering wheel) but To be honest if you tread your children right because of society than there is something wrong, you should tread them right because you want the best for them.

And why should I care about what my neighbors think.

Not letting your dog crap on other peoples lawn is just common sense.
You don't want a dog crapping on your lawn.
Still has nothing to do with what other people think.


But every body is in title of his own opinion

 

[watermelon punch]

And for your friends, if your friends don't can get over the fact that your hobby involves something they are not used to. You might reconsider if they should be your friends in the first place (or even are).
Like you said not everybody is the same

I would hesitate to call a video game a "hobby".
I think that's what makes the difference in mindset right there.

And if you don't care what anybody thinks, why are you defending it so fiercely?

Doest thou protest too much?

 

[playnthru]

I would hesitate to call a video game a "hobby".
I think that's what makes the difference in mindset right there.

And if you don't care what anybody thinks, why are you defending it so fiercely?

Doest thou protest too much?

WOW mindblowing. You protest him, asking if he protests much??

And yes, check Websters.👍 GT5 would indeed be considered a hobby.

If you have a wheel and make a DIY stand, would that be more hobby like to you??

Since your here.. GT5 is a hobby of yours..Just saying..

 

[Gejabo]

I would hesitate to call a video game a "hobby".
I think that's what makes the difference in mindset right there.

And if you don't care what anybody thinks, why are you defending it so fiercely?

Doest thou protest too much?

In my book playing video games is a hobby, beats collecting stamps

not so much defending, just relying to your post.


But let's leave it at this and go back to the topic of love for the DS3.

 

[Phoenix]

Was using a DS3 for about 8 months after GT5's release, then I got my G27.
It was like a whole new game, really enjoying using the wheel...

Must say that im never going back to controller when im playing a racing game that supports wheels, ever!

 

[watermelon punch]

And yes, check Websters.👍 GT5 would indeed be considered a hobby.

It's a game.
A hobby generally produces something - and also has a professional sect doing it for a purpose.
IE: Sewing, carpentry, gardening, boat building, automotive mechanics, etc.

But let's leave it at this and go back to the topic of love for the DS3.

I didn't see that topic in any of your posts thus far.

It doesn't matter what kind of controller, wheel set up, or if you have a shaky thing to play a game with, or something that LOOKs like a tennis racket...
It's still a video game - ie: Not real.

It's just not in the same league with someone who actually works on their own car and is a mechanic or something.
To claim it is... is to seriously insult real mechanics and real racers, IMHO.

I obviously see NOTHING wrong with PLAYING games.
Or Sports.
Or whatever.
Nothing wrong at all.
I just don't think it should be confused with the real thing - EVER.
(Even if you do have something that looks like a real car seat & wheel.)

 

[Editor GEAR]

Ok ok, watermelopunch and Gejabo, bring it down please. No need to go past the rev limiter on this here post. If radiators get too hot, engines will pop. (Car nerd level >9000)

 

[playnthru]

It's a game.
A hobby generally produces something - and also has a professional sect doing it for a purpose.
IE: Sewing, carpentry, gardening, boat building, automotive mechanics, etc.



I didn't see that topic in any of your posts thus far.

It doesn't matter what kind of controller, wheel set up, or if you have a shaky thing to play a game with, or something that LOOKs like a tennis racket...
It's still a video game - ie: Not real.

It's just not in the same league with someone who actually works on their own car and is a mechanic or something.
To claim it is... is to seriously insult real mechanics and real racers, IMHO.

I obviously see NOTHING wrong with PLAYING games.
Or Sports.
Or whatever.
Nothing wrong at all.
I just don't think it should be confused with the real thing - EVER.
(Even if you do have something that looks like a real car seat & wheel.)

Half things you ranted about where never mentioned in this thread?

And where did anybody make that claim?? All that was stated was "it's a hobby" It is.. You implied the rest.

Anyway, take care

 

[Morgoth_666]

I'll probably be accused of fanning the flames(unintentionally), but this got me wondering if I had a misconception so I looked it up. Meriam-Webster's site defines "Hobby" as a bird first as if that's it's most common usage.

It has a second entry which is defined as "Hobby: a pursuit outside one's regular occupation engaged in especially for relaxation." No mention of a tangible product.

I believe activities such as bird-watching are generally considered hobbies as well. I'm not sure whether watching TV would fit, although I'm fairly certain I've heard people refer to book-reading as a hobby. I'd think something pursued with the vigor that many people devote to sim-racing ought to qualify.

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Personally, while I used gamepads for racing for years(along with keyboards, mice and joysticks), once I got my hands on a proper wheel I just couldn't find nearly as much fun in the pad any more. I guess that means no DS3 love from me either, though I do use it occasionally and for some games.

I don't have the funds for the whole fancy cockpit getups some have, and I'm not sure where I'd set one up. So I built a little table and use that, with the pedals on the floor with stuff behind them to keep them still. Other than that "stuff" the whole thing takes up about as much space as a very small end table and could be fit just about anywhere I've ever seen a game console or PC set up. Oh wait, I'm trying to sell people on wheels, sorry.

 

[watermelon punch]

My main point is that the person who devotes most of their time & space to a particular video game is NOT the norm. Nor should they expected to be considered as such.
It's not normal. Sorry. Even on this forum you'd be hard pressed to find people who would consider that normal.
It's each person's choice, of course, but don't expect anyone to take them seriously & have respect for it.
But I'll admit it straight up... I do find it bizarre, and even troubling.
I don't have to respect a hard core obsessed gamer. That's just silly. Not my place to tell anyone what to do or not to do, but it is my place to say - that's nutty.
It's just not the same as real sports (exercise)... or even birdwatching has it's benefits to civilisation & the ecology (cornell studies, etc)

 

[BJBEOSmitty]

"Who cares what other people think"....

Screw that. I don't want a wheel and rig setup in my living room!

 

[playnthru]

My main point is that the person who devotes most of their time & space to a particular video game is NOT the norm. Nor should they expected to be considered as such.
It's not normal. Sorry. Even on this forum you'd be hard pressed to find people who would consider that normal.
It's each person's choice, of course, but don't expect anyone to take them seriously & have respect for it.
But I'll admit it straight up... I do find it bizarre, and even troubling.
I don't have to respect a hard core obsessed gamer. That's just silly. Not my place to tell anyone what to do or not to do, but it is my place to say - that's nutty.
It's just not the same as real sports (exercise)... or even birdwatching has it's benefits to civilisation & the ecology (cornell studies, etc)

Doeth thou protest much

 

[watermelon punch]

Doeth thou protest much

ha. Except I don't have anything to protest. What you think I secretly want to be someone who has nothing in their life but gt5? That doesn't make much sense does it? That really, underneath it all, I want 95% of my living space taken up with a big cockpit so my elderly mother-in-law can't come for tea? Just trying to be a voice of reason because there may be children about the place.

 

[MSTER232]

My main point is that the person who devotes most of their time & space to a particular video game is NOT the norm. Nor should they expected to be considered as such.
It's not normal. Sorry. Even on this forum you'd be hard pressed to find people who would consider that normal.
It's each person's choice, of course, but don't expect anyone to take them seriously & have respect for it.
But I'll admit it straight up... I do find it bizarre, and even troubling.
I don't have to respect a hard core obsessed gamer. That's just silly. Not my place to tell anyone what to do or not to do, but it is my place to say - that's nutty.
It's just not the same as real sports (exercise)... or even birdwatching has it's benefits to civilisation & the ecology (cornell studies, etc)

I guess I'm abnormal that I have a racing rig built by myself according to your logic 💡 ? Pffff I'm not even in my 20's yet.

 

[watermelon punch]

I guess I'm abnormal that I have a racing rig built by myself according to your logic 💡 ?

Is there room for nothing else in your house?
If your cockpit set-up prevents you from having family or friends visit in your house (& being able to sit down comfortably without tripping over a gaming cockpit)... then yes, I would consider that "abnormal".
It's nothing to do with logic, or what I think about it either. It's just facts. MOST PEOPLE would NOT do that. Most people I've ever known with a cockpit set up either have it in spare room, basement, or it's stowed when not in use. And most of us here posting, who don't, don't do it because we don't have the space we want to dedicate to that.
Priorities people. Priorities.

Surely someone who has a permanent gaming cockpit set up in their parlor must already know this is not "normal". ???

 

[MSTER232]

Is there room for nothing else in your house?
If your cockpit set-up prevents you from having family or friends visit in your house... then yes, I would consider that "abnormal".
It's nothing to do with logic, or what I think about it either. It's just facts. MOST PEOPLE would NOT do that. Most people I've ever known with a cockpit set up either have it in spare room, or it's stowed when not in use. And most of us here posting, who don't, don't do it because we don't have the space we want to dedicate to that.
Priorities people. Priorities.

Well I used to have it in my bedroom, but with permission from parents I moved it up into the spareroom where my PC is and it's now the "games room". And now that's in the spare room it wouldn't prevent me from having friends over 👍 .

And very true on the fact that most people would not even build a cockpit setup in the first place, because people who take racing that seriously are quite uncommon.

 

[watermelon punch]

Well I used to have it in my bedroom, but with permission from parents I moved it up into the spareroom where my PC is and it's now the "games room". And now that's in the spare room it wouldn't prevent me from having friends over 👍 .

And very true on the fact that most people would not even build a cockpit setup in the first place, because people who take racing that seriously are quite uncommon.

Well, I'm glad that someone recognizes this fact!
And yeah, that's the topic here... that a cockpit as your centerpiece in the house... Well, let's put it this way, your parents probably wouldn't allow you to have your cockpit set up in the main parlor of the house!
And I wouldn't blame them one bit.

 

[playnthru]

ha. Except I don't have anything to protest. Just trying to be a voice of reason because there may be children about the place.

I know, I'v been changing diapers all day.(no not my own)





If you have never tried a wheel? I think you would be very surprised at what a workout it can be. Not that it would change your opinion on the matter, but it really is (or can be) exercise. I have actually consulted one of my doctors about it. Using a wheel can help build and rebuild muscle tissue, as well help restore reflex and nerve damage. Yes it's true.. Think about?? Repetitive motion/resistance/ motor skills. All thing you need to operate a wheel.👍

So all that obsessed gamer stuff aside. There are some real therapeutic benefits that go along with it. Yes I know that is NOT why most people have them. However there are indeed people here that fit that category, myself included. I have a heart condition that caused neurological damage. I need all the help I can get.

 

[playnthru]

Well, I'm glad that someone recognizes this fact!
And yeah, that's the topic here... that a cockpit as your centerpiece in the house... Well, let's put it this way, your parents probably wouldn't allow you to have your cockpit set up in the main parlor of the house!
And I wouldn't blame them one bit.

Right that's why we have "game rooms". For games.. How did you change the topic? that was not the OP topic noir was it the point you argued earlier?

We could have settled that earlier.. Games go in the "game room". Yeehaa
Everyones happy

 

[Ronald6]

We could have settled that earlier.. Games go in the "game room". Yeehaa
Everyones happy

Aka: den.

Kids have game rooms. Adults have dens, or "man cave."

 

[watermelon punch]

Using a controller because you don't have a den, and think it's a heck of a lot better than taking up space with some elaborate set-up... sure is totally on topic.
TOTALLY ON TOPIC.
That's how we got here. People saying why & how they use a controller - or don't.

Not to mention the fact I'm not the one who was accusing anyone of being off topic. *sigh* That's so silly.

Though by all means keep going on the thrill ride of justifications for whatever reason.
Very entertaining about the exercise & whatnot.
Is it like wine is good for the heart so it's all cool to have it for breakfast?

Aka: den.

Kids have game rooms. Adults have dens, or "man cave."

I'm pretty sure it's only a "man cave" if it's in the basement or garage. At least that's what I've heard it refer to.

 

[Racin510s]

I use a DS3 and have been using a controller since GT1. I also map my own buttons as I have since GT2. I did buy 2 different wheel set-ups a MadCatz and a Logitech GT wheel years ago for GT3 & GT4. I returned the MadCatz the first day. I really tried to stick with the Logitech but the frustration of the learning curve was just too much for me because I use GT for relaxation.

I know wheel technology and force feedback have greatly improved over the years and I had considered a G27 but the cost is for me not worth it. For those who have the money and love their wheel that's great. I'll stick with my DS3. I have had my real life experience as both a driver and a mechanic in the SCCA. That's why my name is Racin_510s. I reced Datsun 510s (Bluebirds) in the IT class in the SCCA. My son and I also race karts on dirt. So in reality I do miss my wheel and pedals but get them on Friday nights at the local kart track. I wish I knew someone who had a G27 so I could try it. Then maybe I would consider saving for a G27. Then saving for another few years for a WheelStand Pro. I am also a carpenter and a welder but don't have the space for a cockpit. That could be the reason that my Logitech is stuffed away in storage because I could never get comfortable with it mounted to a table and the force feedback was very lacking. Just not the same as a real cockpit in a real race car.

On a curious note the DS2 refered to in a previous post; it that the controller from the PS2? I still have my PS2 and still play GT3 & GT4 and have extra controllers. What type of USB adapter is neccesary to convert?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

On a curious note the DS2 refered to in a previous post; it that the controller from the PS2? I still have my PS2 and still play GT3 & GT4 and have extra controllers. What type of USB adapter is neccesary to convert?

The DS2 that I mentioned was from my PS2 Slim, and the USB adapter is the same as those sold in computer shop, it also works for PC. Should cost less than $10, look for it on Ebay or Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/PS2-Controller-Converter-Adapter-Playstation-2/dp/B000NPSAJU

On my converter, the DS2 Analog button is used to access just like PS button, pressing L1 + R3 will open XMB when playing a game. Mine has a switch for PC or PS3. Believe me, face buttons are a lot better than DS3, haven't tried the shoulder button L2 + R2 for gas or brake yet, but they should work just as good as DS3.

 

[Auraxir]

I'm using my DS3 instead of my wheell(a Thrustmaster Ferrari experience ) because i don't have a "decent" cockpit,

 

[porthillking]

I use my DS3 for 2 reasons.
1) I don't have room for a wheel
2) I don't have enough money for a wheel