no refueling for 2010?

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How do you guys think about this. Is it going to make the racing better or is it going to be jut another one of the stupid FIA rules that they haven't thought through properly.
 
um..... isn't it obvious?
 
Poor refueling guys.
 
um..... isn't it obvious?

It worked back then but I don't know how this will effect racing today. The strategy part of f1 will basically be taken out but we might see better track action
 
Is there any possibilities that this would even happen? It works in GP2 because of less power and less distance, but F1, not going to work at all.
 
If I was a team, I'd mount extra fuel tanks above the rear wheels and make them wing-shaped. Ralf Schumacher, Villeneuve, and Coulthard aren't racing anymore so no need to worry about someone crashing into them.
 
I look forward to it, the new tyre rules will have a greater effect (though they have done a lot already) and we will see more attempts to overtake rather than just waiting till your strategy plays out. Though thats not to say it will definitely improve racing....as we saw with Vettel behind Massa at Spain, we can still end up with dull racing (though in that example, Webber would have probably caught them both and made more of an effort than Vettel did).
 
It's a good thing. It returns F1 to what it has been for most of its history. A race from beginning to end. Fuel stops tend to break up the action and turns it into a series of time trials so passing can happen during the pit stops. That to me is not racing.

More rules are needed though to make it easier to overtake otherwise you run the risk of processional races.

Getting rid of the compulsory requirement to change tyres between two types would be something I would like to see as well. Freedom of tyre choice from soft to super hard would be better.
 
Well, I don't want to be censored, but the morons who are in charge are actually screwing F1 up with the budget limitations and now this. I mean, F1 used to be a sport not only for the drivers but also for the engineers. As far as I remember, the F1 cars were the best there was on road (not talking 'bout off-road), but now, when they'll limit the budget it will be screwed. It's going to be like:" Oh look, the fastest car's you can actually make, *khem*when you're limited to a budget*khem*"
 
Well, I don't want to be censored, but the morons who are in charge are actually screwing F1 up with the budget limitations and now this. I mean, F1 used to be a sport not only for the drivers but also for the engineers. As far as I remember, the F1 cars were the best there was on road (not talking 'bout off-road), but now, when they'll limit the budget it will be screwed. It's going to be like:" Oh look, the fastest car's you can actually make, *khem*when you're limited to a budget*khem*"

:dunce: Perhaps I need to drink less.
 
Freedom of tyre choice from soft to super hard would be better.

Completely agree with this - Let them choose their tyres from the 5 or so available...

Colour them up like the rainbow so spectators know what's what and then we'll see some different things happening.

It would be really interesting to see which teams decided on which tyres based on track temps - and the way their cars use them - and the length of the stints and stuff... a bit like GT's tyre choices!!

C.
 
The problem with having freedom of tyre choice is that more tyres have to be transported for their choices, as we are now, Bridgestone have selected the tyre compounds well in advance of the races and those are the ones they supply.
But if they were to bring all 5 variations, they would have to bring enough for all 10/13 teams in all 5 variations unless the teams sat down and decided well before the race what tyres they wanted for the event, which could potentially screw them over for the whole weekend and thus we would see less risks taken in this department.
Overall, it wouldn't help cost-cutting and I'm not so sure it would change the action on track very much. I mean, you may as well just bring back tyre manufacturer competition instead of spec-tyres, it would bring back the extra element but would still be potentially costly (as the tyre manufacturers attempt to outdo each other).
 
Ralf Schumacher, Villeneuve, and Coulthard aren't racing anymore so no need to worry about someone crashing into them.
But Piquet Jr. still races. Can you say kaboom?

And for the tire debate, have Bridgestone bring three compounds, and the teams can use any or all of them in the race.
 
So, is no refueling rule going to happen?
 
Probably. Although the rules defaulted back to 2009 to prevent the breakaway, the teams like it as a means of cost-cutting.
 
All another thing to make people hate F1. First off, we have super slimmed down cars, then KERS, that's more trouble than it's worth, then budget caps, and now no refueling? F1 sucks, really bad now. It was at it's highest, and then Max woke up one day and screwed up everything. I'm actually more entertained by 2004 videos than anything that could ever happen in 2009.
 
Formula One should never go back to 2004. Sure, the cars were the quickest they've ever been, but you basically watched to see who came third because only one team was capable of winning. It might have been a great year to be a Ferrari fan, but it sucked for everyone else. What Schumacher achieved was great, but we should never go back to the days where that happens again (and before you say 2009 is a repeat of that, the season is only half-over; plenty of time for the Vettels and Barrichellos of this world to catch Button).
 
The problem with having freedom of tyre choice is that more tyres have to be transported for their choices, as we are now, Bridgestone have selected the tyre compounds well in advance of the races and those are the ones they supply.
But if they were to bring all 5 variations, they would have to bring enough for all 10/13 teams in all 5 variations unless the teams sat down and decided well before the race what tyres they wanted for the event, which could potentially screw them over for the whole weekend and thus we would see less risks taken in this department.
Overall, it wouldn't help cost-cutting and I'm not so sure it would change the action on track very much. I mean, you may as well just bring back tyre manufacturer competition instead of spec-tyres, it would bring back the extra element but would still be potentially costly (as the tyre manufacturers attempt to outdo each other).

Frankly - the "this hurts cost cutting" point is to me null and void... this is F1... it's supposed to be the most expensive race series in the world...

Also - this wouldn't affect the actual teams budgets - just Bridgestones. (Who may pass that onto the teams!)

C.
 
Frankly - the "this hurts cost cutting" point is to me null and void... this is F1... it's supposed to be the most expensive race series in the world...

Also - this wouldn't affect the actual teams budgets - just Bridgestones. (Who may pass that onto the teams!)

C.

Wut? F1 has only been rediculously expensive in the past 10 years.....before that it wasn't so astronomically expensive and I don't see why it has to be. (and neither do the FIA or the teams it seems)

F1 is about new technologies, the best drivers, the best teams and the best circuits in the world. Sure this obviously requires some money to obtain, but not the amounts the manufacturers are spending. Can you really justify Toyota's budget? Would you rather have teams who are committed to the sport but can't raise such huge budgets like Williams or teams who could leave at any moment who spend rediculous amounts like Toyota or Honda?
 
Formula One should never go back to 2004. Sure, the cars were the quickest they've ever been, but you basically watched to see who came third because only one team was capable of winning. It might have been a great year to be a Ferrari fan, but it sucked for everyone else. What Schumacher achieved was great, but we should never go back to the days where that happens again (and before you say 2009 is a repeat of that, the season is only half-over; plenty of time for the Vettels and Barrichellos of this world to catch Button).

As much as i might like Ferrari, i never liked seeing Schumacher winning over and over. That's why when Schumacher retired, i was sad, and a little exited about the next season. I don't want F1 to go back to 2004, i just want them to be faster than now. I miss the power, the 6G, 3 tonnes of downforce around the corners, the high pitched sounds of those 1000<hp V10's. F1's now have about half the downforce that they did in 2004 and 300hp less. All because some old perverted guy wants budget caps and a cheaper sport. The real show is off the track this year.
 
I don't want F1 to go back to 2004, i just want them to be faster than now. I miss the power, the 6G, 3 tonnes of downforce around the corners, the high pitched sounds of those 1000<hp V10's. F1's now have about half the downforce that they did in 2004 and 300hp less.
I'm willing to bet there's more overtaking now than there was then.
 
I'm willing to bet there's more overtaking now than there was then.

You may be right, but it's mainly just a switch of places between the previous front and back row rather than that.There hasn't been any battles for first place so far at all. Even 2004 had some battles. Montoya was real entertainment in the Williams, and i loved to see Sato's car crash all the time.
Too bad F1 can't always be like this:


The banging wheels, the side by side, the determination, all for second place!! I miss those days. And also, Gilles' tires were shot, but he still did it.
 
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You may be right, but it's mainly just a switch of places between the previous front and back row rather than that.There hasn't been any battles for first place so far at all. Even 2004 had some battles. Montoya was real entertainment in the Williams, and i loved to see Sato's car crash all the time.
Too bad F1 can't always be like this:


The banging wheels, the side by side, the determination, all for second place!! I miss those days. And also, Gilles' tires were shot, but he still did it.


I also wish those days were back. The reason for racing like that was because formula1 drivers had more influence in the car. This racing series was about the best of everything being put together like the best technology available to make the cars. The problem is that the technology is so advanced now that it has become the main focus of the sport which should be the driving.
 
Just stepping back a few posts, to the tyre choices. I like the idea of having 5 to choose from, but have a volume of each , for each driver for the whole season and the team can choose which for each race but, you must manage them well through out the season, or you may end up at the final race with too many hards, and end up the back of the grid or vise versa qualify up the front but run out of tyre during the race and have to scramble up a set for the final stint.

Also on the no stop for fuel, this will encourage fuel economy, therefore promoting the idea of less weight and tyre wear. Definately a modern era style to racing where less horsepower may lead to winning.
 
Just stepping back a few posts, to the tyre choices. I like the idea of having 5 to choose from, but have a volume of each , for each driver for the whole season and the team can choose which for each race but, you must manage them well through out the season, or you may end up at the final race with too many hards, and end up the back of the grid or vise versa qualify up the front but run out of tyre during the race and have to scramble up a set for the final stint.

Love that idea...

C.
 
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