No Restrictions = No Challenge = No fun?

[eSZee]

Wait, are you talking seasonal

Yes, seasonal. Did the restrictions not limit your tires, your weight, and your power? You weren't restricted on suspension, trans, or LSD so doing these upgrades is no different than the events that were restricted. That's what I meant by stock, sorry, no power/weight/tire changes.
I never said I CAN beat them with stock cars. I can on a couple of them and the rest I know people that have done it. I also know that if I'm only a few seconds off, then there is no way others shouldn't beat the events.
Not sure what this has to do with restriction-less events ruining the game? If you get a stock car and just change the oil, you'll have a great challenge if you're an exceptional driver. If you tweak the suspension, LSD, and trans you can still get a challenge if you're not so great. Once you start changing tires, the events can be won by average and above drivers.

 

[eecubed]

Can all the events be won with a car in stock form?

90% of the original event restrictions were no hp upgrade (no oil change even), no weight reduction, and stock tires. The only mod that you could do was suspension, transmission, and drivetrain. The difficulty was balanced by the car that you can use, along with the competition line up.

If you don't have the skill to win with the stock setup after 5-10 attempts, either increase your hp by 5%, upgrade your tire one level, or do one weight reduction. Repeat as needed.

It's pretty easy and obvious if you want to implement the same level of restrictions on yourself in the new events. I don't know why people need someone to impose restrictions instead of doing so on their own.

People play games for fun and one person idea of fun is different from another. Games that are customizable by the players are much more enjoyable and have much longer shelf life that games that are linear and restrictive. Game publishers who can make their game adapt to everyone's idea of fun will sell millions and become rich. Publishers who caters to one person idea of fun may sell 5000 copies, if they are lucky, and will likely go out of business.

 

[BigYoSpeck]

90% of the original event restrictions were no hp upgrade (no oil change even), no weight reduction, and stock tires. The only mod that you could do was suspension, transmission, and drivetrain. The difficulty was balanced by the car that you can use, along with the competition line up.

If you don't have the skill to win with the stock setup after 5-10 attempts, either increase your hp by 5%, upgrade your tire one level, or do one weight reduction. Repeat as needed.

It's pretty easy and obvious if you want to implement the same level of restrictions on yourself in the new events. I don't know why people need someone to impose restrictions instead of doing so on their own.

People play games for fun and one person idea of fun is different from another. Games that are customizable by the players are much more enjoyable and have much longer shelf life that games that are linear and restrictive. Game publishers who can make their game adapt to everyone's idea of fun will sell millions and become rich. Publishers who caters to one person idea of fun may sell 5000 copies, if they are lucky, and will likely go out of business.

There were 5 pages on this thread alone of this argument followed by why it's flawed, followed by more of this argument from people that hadn't read any previous posts, followed by a turkey analogy of why it's flawed and so on and so on.

Why do we need someone else to impose restrictions? Well if no one did I'd have been an A* student and at my last staff appraisal been made president of the frickin world because I'm Kenny Powers and I'm better than every one.

People talk like no one will play a game if it's challenging but there are 24 million customers of Mariokart Wii that say otherwise.

 

[JMII]

If you don't have the skill to win with the stock setup after 5-10 attempts, either increase your hp by 5%, upgrade your tire one level, or do one weight reduction. Repeat as needed.

It's pretty easy and obvious if you want to implement the same level of restrictions on yourself in the new events. I don't know why people need someone to impose restrictions instead of doing so on their own.

People play games for fun and one person idea of fun is different from another. Games that are customizable by the players are much more enjoyable and have much longer shelf life that games that are linear and restrictive.

BINGO! This is how I've always played GT, including A-Spec. I try to win using the least mods possible, however that level is going to be different for everyone. Atleast with these Seasonal Events the AI runs the same time - unlike the rubberbanding you get in A-Spec - so its easier to determine which mods YOU need.

I'd still like to see some restrictions to keep "cheaters" from building monster cars that win with ease. Like I said in another thread: limit the cars to max HP, min KGS of the cars your running against. Or maybe a budget limit? If you spend too much on parts your car is illegal, that would add a whole new dimension to the game.

 

[prymet1me]

Maybe the next set should be actual races with everyone starting even instead of these obstacle time trials. Cause really thats all they were with restrictions, tune tune tune until you get lap times of x time per lap to pass leader before end of race.

 

[blackk_dogg]

i so enjoy easy money so i can get other cars so i can collect , working on the getting the bentley

 

[Motor City Hami]

This thread needs to go. Stop whinning, don't mod your car and play it as a challenge. Are people really that upset that others can use this as a quick cash grab?

Or better yet, don't even play them. You don't need them to complete 100% of A-spec.

 

[Sander H]

3 of the 5 challenges are too easy this week. The Peugeot 207, Alfa 8c and DTM don't need any tuning, I won these 3 by many seconds without even changing oil.

 

[gord]

I just miss tinkering with suspension and gearing only and picking the parts you think would get you those extra few hp to make a difference. Roaming the forums looking for help with suspension settings and improving lap times that way, after trying a number of times and getting closer and closer to 1st. Now its just boring. If you make it too easy by accident you wont go back to it because theres no reward to do so.

 

[GTPlayer87]

I just miss tinkering with suspension and gearing only and picking the parts you think would get you those extra few hp to make a difference. Roaming the forums looking for help with suspension settings and improving lap times that way, after trying a number of times and getting closer and closer to 1st. Now its just boring. If you make it too easy by accident you wont go back to it because theres no reward to do so.

Yeah, it was actually fun when you have to tune your car the right way. I used to come here looking for tuning help and now you can just overpower your car. It wasn't as much fun as before, but it does save me time though.

 

[JdM85]

GT5 is serious business!

I'm a forum n00b (have been lurking for a while) but I've found this an interesting discussion.

At the end of the day, as so many people say, if you want to challenge yourself harder then restrict yourself. Who cares if someone else is using these unrestricted events as a cash cow.

If anything, when you race them online (if you ever do - remember a pile of these people simply play A-Spec all on their own, for their own enjoyment) you'll beat them anyway because you're obviously much better at the game.

There are some games I agree with you guys on. I played COD on easy because I just wanted to unwind and shoot some bad guys. I didn't want to be stuck replaying the same sections, I wanted to be Bruce Frickin Willis blasting bad guys like in a bad action movie where I can't lose. The game had harder settings for the real die hards, but I'm not one

And some people want to be able to drive their dream cars really fast around the track of their choice - GT5 is the best game to do that with. Same logic as you being Bruce Willis

I play COD on my flatmate's XBOX for exactly the same reason, where as he plays on the most difficult setting. Suffice to say, when I play online with him I get my ass shot up every time

The moment GT went online, It became a competative racing game. To be competative all must be on the same playing field. What ever happened to taking on a challenge to improve yourself? Now everybody just wants to max tune a car, turn aids on and zombie their way through a game without so much as challenging themselves the slightest or improving at all!

True - but are the Seasonal Bonus Races actually a case of competing against others? Not really.

Online racing against other people sure - it certainly is. So create a room with your own restrictions and invite people to play. These people who tune up their cars and fly around with super soft tyres (a) won't play with you or (b) won't be able to win anyway.

I let a female friend of mine play it and first corner she drove straight into the wall at 100mph and asked 'whats wrong with it?' I told her nothing, she'd come up to the corner at silly speed without braking and hit a wall just like a real car would. She asked 'whats the point in that it's a game why would they make it so you have to do the same as in real life?' I put NFS: Hot Pursuit on for her and she was happy as Larry.

👍

 

[BigYoSpeck]

At the end of the day, as so many people say, if you want to challenge yourself harder then restrict yourself. Who cares if someone else is using these unrestricted events as a cash cow.

If anything, when you race them online (if you ever do - remember a pile of these people simply play A-Spec all on their own, for their own enjoyment) you'll beat them anyway because you're obviously much better at the game.

And some people want to be able to drive their dream cars really fast around the track of their choice - GT5 is the best game to do that with. Same logic as you being Bruce Willis

I play COD on my flatmate's XBOX for exactly the same reason, where as he plays on the most difficult setting. Suffice to say, when I play online with him I get my ass shot up every time

Exactly the game has that difficult setting. You don't have to say right I'm going to make it hard on my self by only using a pistol or limit my self to 100 rounds of ammo per level. The game designers, the people who were paid for creating a game balanced it so that people could pick a suitable setting and play it.

PD didn't do that with the majority of the offline play. We've got the licenses and some of the Special events that are a challenge but then a whole chunk of it that can be breezed through.

Then they teased us with regulated Seasonal events that were actual challenges but changed their mind either because it was too much effort to balance them or because people who don't like a challenge cried loud enough.

Before you come back saying limit your self seriously read the thread, it's been done to death and rebutted as to why it doesn't work.

Multiplayer in my mind is broken so far. If I go online for a quick race I get rammed from behind or clipped by some one and the race is ruined unless I fight fire with fire, so it's something I only do with people I know.

 

[Kryz11]

This is just in response to all of the people that complain about the lifting of restrictions on the seasonal events. Restrictions and challenge are what you make them. If you want a challenge, impose some restrictions on yourself. Run sport tires or don't tune the care all the way up. PD does an excellent job of allowing up to challenge ourselves if we want. Free will is a wonderful thing. PD isn't making us run fully tuned cars. Just my 2 cents.

So why not make two Races? One restricted and other ones not?

 

[GinoLicious]

There is a simple answer to this issue. Dont tune your car fully. What? You need a game to impose restrictions on you. You cannot do it yourself? So basically if you had the chance to beat something easier you would rather then enjoying it to the fullest? Moral of this, set your own restrictions, you dont need PD to do it for you. Only difference is it allows the people who cannot drive as well to add more tune to their cars thus evening the gap and allowing them to win. nuff said.

 

[BigYoSpeck]

There is a simple answer to this issue. Dont tune your car fully. What? You need a game to impose restrictions on you. You cannot do it yourself?

That would pretty much be what's been said the last 6 pages. You can't challenge yourself because you just put the goal posts where you will score.

So basically if you had the chance to beat something easier you would rather then enjoying it to the fullest?

Quad? If I'm reading that right you're saying given the chance between something easy and something hard we would choose hard? If so then yes. It's like Kennedy said, they don't choose to go to the moon because it's easy, they choose to because it's hard or words to that effect. If I know I can do something what's the point in doing it.

Moral of this, set your own restrictions, you dont need PD to do it for you. Only difference is it allows the people who cannot drive as well to add more tune to their cars thus evening the gap and allowing them to win. nuff said.

Moral of this is there are 6 pages of why this isn't the solution and if it was nuff said this thread would have ended on the OP which basically said the same thing.

 

[JdM85]

Exactly the game has that difficult setting. You don't have to say right I'm going to make it hard on my self by only using a pistol or limit my self to 100 rounds of ammo per level. The game designers, the people who were paid for creating a game balanced it so that people could pick a suitable setting and play it.

You can do exactly that in multiplayer COD. We do that by not using particular perks (like the dreaded second-chance, which people bitch about non stop on forums like this), my flatmate challenges himself by only using iron-sights, ignoring kill-streak bonuses, that sort of thing.

The GT equivalent is tyres, tuning etc. Although it is an apples vs oranges comparison for the most part.

Multiplayer in my mind is broken so far. If I go online for a quick race I get rammed from behind or clipped by some one and the race is ruined unless I fight fire with fire, so it's something I only do with people I know.

Agreed - there should be red-flags for doing that like in real motor sport. Best to play with a bunch of mates, or people from communities like this that will play more 'honorably'.

Before you come back saying limit your self seriously read the thread, it's been done to death and rebutted as to why it doesn't work.

I did read the thread - and I get what you've all been saying. By all means be cross with PD for not providing YOU with a challenge.

For the most part I agree with that sentiment. But hating on the fact that other people can tune up their cars to the max is just silly I think. Will be interesting to see what Events #6 are like anyway - I wouldn't be surprised if we see a varying about of restrictions as the weeks go by.

Sounds like some people should get off their PS3s for a bit and go out for some fresh air, social activity and maybe a beer instead

 

[askep]

The Ford GT in Trial Mountain comes to mind. This is a real challenge. No way anyone is passing the leader by the finish if you keep the GT stock. No way. I'm not a great driver in GT5 by any means, but even after learning the track and getting the hang of the car, there isn't any way that I'm going to overtake a 580-hp supercar with a ~25 second lead in 5 laps in my 530-hp Ford GT. I don't know, maybe it's possible, but it seems like a longshot.

It seems, at least for this race, that tuning is not just an option, but necessary to win.

I wouldn't call myself a great driver either, but I didn't tune the GT other than give it an oil change and was able to get it on second attempt completely untuned. I should point out that I didn't pass the leader until just before the curved tunnel on the last lap, so very close! Brilliant challenge.

 

[redreevos]

I agree with some earlier posts that basically stated that it would preferrable to spend the time racing, rather than trying to figure out what combination makes for a challenging race.
Thankfully we have these great forums! When I sit down to race a seasonal challenge, I like to look at the Forum posts that coincide with each race. I like to see what combination some of the better drivers have said they used to win the race. That sets my challenge!
Unfortunately, each time someone says they won an event while only using "x". someone else always seems to chime in with a comment like "what do you want an extra medal for that?" I wish people would realize that when someone takes the time to post that the race was beatable with only one upgrade in tires and nothing else, that is very helpful to those of us looking for that "ideal" challenge.
I went to a friend's house tonight, he is a casual gamer with no sim experience, and showed him the seasonal events. It worked out perfect, because I already knew what I would need to complete the events, and I was also able to help him setting up the cars for him. We would alternate doing each event. He would choose the first event he wanted to do. He picked a car, that he then (with my assistance) set the car up with quite a few modifications. He had fairly close races eveytime. Some he won the first time by a tight margin, and several others took him several tries.
When it was my turn, I could use fewer modifications to achieve a close race.
So in this situation, it could not have been a better setup.
Those that want a bigger reward for racing with fewer mods, are in a sense getting that, because they spent less money on modding the car.
If we all continue to share with the community which setups worked to win each race, we can all spend more time having challenging races, and less time figuring out what is possible.

Edit: Here is a link to a thread about restrictions for a strong challenge:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=159986
Thank you to Amar212!

 

[birksy82]

The way I see it the more you spend on the car and tuning , the less you gain it's pretty obvious if you ask me . So the people who gold these events with little or no mods are getting far greater rewards than the people who max out their cars. I always try a stock setup first and if that doesn't work I put sports softs on , the majority can be won like this and still offer a good challenge at the same time. I still don't get what the problem is with having no restrictions despite reading through however many pages of this thread.

 

[GT5CHECKMATE]

Why are so many people offended that some of us enjoyed the challenge of the first two seasonal bonus races?? I understand they were too difficult for some and I accept the fact that I am in the minority, but that doesn't mean we should have to do without. Now that they have changed the seasonal events to being nothing but a cash cow all you whinning about the first ones being too hard have gotten your way but the rest of us have nothing.

The seasonal events were something I looked forward to after the first two and now they are something that are a complete waste of time. PD should be sued if they continue to call it a challenge, because it is misleading. There is nothing challenging about taking a stock car and passing 11 cars in one lap and wondering around 4 more laps waiting for the race to end. I understand some of you want more money, fine then PD can add a easy button in the place of a challenge and you will be fine, but for the rest of us PLEASE bring back a challenging race that can test our skills like the first two. That way we can all have something to look forward to. Otherwise just do away with the whole concept of seasonal events. With the way they are now I will not be doing any of them.

And before I hear another moron spew the ignorant chant of how if we want a challenge we can turn off all the aids, try for two hours to find the right tires to use and the right settings, then close one eye and hop on one foot while doing the challenge to make it what they said it was going to be in the first place, why don't you try to understand there are some people who are playing the game to be challenged. I don't care if they don't give any XP pts or credits at all. Hell I don't care if we even have to spend credits or XP pts to get to play them, just give us back a challenging challenge. If everyone else wants a credit button instead of a seasonal event fine, but there are many of us out here who enjoyed the challenge of the first two seasonal bonuses and have paid for the game just like you guys did. You got your way but that wasn't enough, you have to make it seem like we shouldn't get anything.

There are more than one type of person in the world, and PD has the ability to give us all what we want. As it is now, none of us are getting anything. PLEASE PD BRING BACK a REAL CHALLENGE or just do away with the whole concept. It has turned into nothing but a joke.

 

[GT5CHECKMATE]

Why are people so offended that some of us loved the seasonal events the way it started?? The first two were perfect and then some started whinning and now they are a complete waste of time.

Now I see some are trying to say we can use pretend restrictions to try and come up with a fun challenge. What a joke, why don't the ones to sorry to do the real challenge use pretend starting orders?? They can pretend to start 5 laps ahead of the field so they can keep from getting lapped. See it works both ways. The challenge was perfect the way it was and now it is a complete and total joke. If they don't change it back I hope they just get rid of it. All it is doing now is shortening and watering down the game.

There is enough room on the game for both. If they want to compromise and make a few of the challenges easy enough for a two year old, and then give a few like the first two bonuses then that would make everyone happy, but the way it is now is a complete joke. I don't even care if they give any XP pts or credits, just give us a realistic challenge take can't be won on the first try, by two laps, in a stock car, by someone who has never even driven a car. And for heavens sake, whatever you do, don't call what it is now a challenge. They could be sued for misleading advertising!!!!

 

[GT5CHECKMATE]

The way I see it the more you spend on the car and tuning , the less you gain it's pretty obvious if you ask me . So the people who gold these events with little or no mods are getting far greater rewards than the people who max out their cars. I always try a stock setup first and if that doesn't work I put sports softs on , the majority can be won like this and still offer a good challenge at the same time. I still don't get what the problem is with having no restrictions despite reading through however many pages of this thread.

There is nothing wrong with restrictions, it is just that some people are too lazy to have to practice a couple of times before they get gold. They want it the first time or they don't want it.

 

[budious]

I'd like for the time trials (with more restrictions) to perhaps award gold, silver, and bronze prizes like a license test to meet certain minimum times and reward players with some cash and xp; it would keep the leader board format but perhaps get more people who otherwise avoid time trial events to give them a try.

 

[birksy82]

I'd like for the time trials (with more restrictions) to perhaps award gold, silver, and bronze prizes like a license test to meet certain minimum times and reward players with some cash and xp; it would keep the leader board format but perhaps get more people who otherwise avoid time trial events to give them a try.

Great idea 👍

 

[prymet1me]

So they have no restrictions again, so the ones of you that are all hurt over this what are you going to do? Spam his twitter, start a petition, boycott, stop playing, post rants about it? It seems you guys are a little to wrapped up in this game and need to take a breather, its easy money. Get some money go buy some new cars and calm down man. If you need some kind of challenge there are time trials, GT Academy, Drift trials and there is a website called GTPlanet that you can use to organize online race rooms with like minded players. O wait no...all of that was too much common sense this is the internet for gods sake lets debate about something minor.

 

[slotcarrod]

For all you guys who don't want to tune and need PD to babysit your challenge!

Season Event 5, race 1.... FILL YOUR BOOTS!....LMK when you get it done!


Good job on the recent events PD, I like them and I know the majority of players do as well! Keep it up!

 

[BigYoSpeck]

So they have no restrictions again, so the ones of you that are all hurt over this what are you going to do? Spam his twitter, start a petition, boycott, stop playing, post rants about it? It seems you guys are a little to wrapped up in this game and need to take a breather, its easy money. Get some money go buy some new cars and calm down man. If you need some kind of challenge there are time trials, GT Academy, Drift trials and there is a website called GTPlanet that you can use to organize online race rooms with like minded players. O wait no...all of that was too much common sense this is the internet for gods sake lets debate about something minor.

We are calm, there has been none of the histrionics you list, no ranting, we're just discussing that we prefer the old method, then debating why with the people who don't think the game should be that way.

I think all through the discussion the running theme has been those of us who want a challenge are happy for PD to include a free exp & cr mode for people who don't think accessing anything in the game should be a challenge as long as there is a challenge also on offer for us. If some of what I've read about the recent batch being possible in stock tune is true, then that's what they've given us and every one is happy.

But a few people debating the other side of it don't seem to be willing to concede a middle ground would be best, and just seem to want to debate with us for the sport of it. Which kind of proves our point that men want to be challenged and want an obstacle to overcome and will argue the sky is green to get it.

 

[birksy82]

There is nothing wrong with restrictions

I didn't mind when they were restricted. I play a simalar way now as I did with the restrictions except for now I put sports softs on and nothing else if it can't be done in stock form. On the restricted I put non power increasing mods on the car's i.e clutch , adjustable gearbox etc.

it is just that some people are too lazy to have to practice a couple of times before they get gold. They want it the first time or they don't want it.

True but I doubt they could win the events in stock form or just with a better set of tyres. So like I said in my first post they will spend more cr on mods than I will so they will not be getting as good a profit as me.

 

[RocketVan]

I'm glad they removed the restrictions. The first Premium car I bought was the FC3S RX-7, and when the event rolled out a few weeks later, I couldn't participate because I had too much horsepower - just from normal oil changes and maintenance. You guys that are complaining are completely missing the point. If you don't have the self-control to do the race stock, that's not my problem.

 

[budious]

I'm glad they removed the restrictions. The first Premium car I bought was the FC3S RX-7, and when the event rolled out, I couldn't participate because I had too much horsepower - just from normal oil changes and maintenance. You guys that are complaining are completely missing the point. If you don''t have the self-control to do the race stock, that's not my problem.

Well this whole break-in and oil change HP fluctuation was PD shooting themselves in the foot for setting reasonable limitations for events; maybe they should have an override for advertised HP given to the car when restrictions are in place.

Back to the debate between no restrictions and full restrictions, the reason both sides care about seasonal events so much is that A-spec events were so tame and the absence of manufacture events. I don't see why PD can't offered a tier challenged of sorts on these things.