Nurburgring 24hr report

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I don't think you can compare it like that. The Ring is very demanding course with lots of tight corners, bumps and crests, with dangerous curbs. Averaging over 200 km/h here is incredible.
 
Perhaps this is the psychological factor again of not 'really' crashing into a wall... Understand me well, I'm with you guys for the moment, it seems unreal, but still I've never driven a GT car nor have I driven on the Nurb... I question after watching the vid closely several times if this is 'Physically' possible still. I just can't really tell... I lean strongly to the impossible side though... Would be nice to actually race the wheels of the rims though :indiff:
 
I wonder how easy the S-16 test actually is to pass, and how easy it is to get gold (you must have to know the nurb very well, I have never driven it!). More generally, I wonder how easy the S license tests are, compared to GT3, to pass and to get gold. I would imagine most of the guys who have GT4 already are fairly well practiced, hardcore players.
 
maybe he has more rip because of the drving asists are on,and that gives him more grip through corners ,more grip and more speed on corners is where the time is made ,maybe in real life they don't have the same grip through corners so they tend to slow down more because they don't have stabilty control ...ect,just a thought .
 
The driving assists are on, as this is a lisence test as mentioned earlier in the thread. Also, he is using the DFP, which makes a huge difference. Keep in mind, this is more than likely a professional racer doing this test, so he knows every inch of that track, which is shown by how he sets up for the blind corners.

If you take that watermelon out of your head, I would imagine that a comparable time is acheivable in real life, somewhere right around the gold time for this test; because without the watermelon you won't worry about smashing into the wall and could drive flat out.

But keep in mind, this is a game. It will never be 100% realistic because it is what it is, which is a game.
 
I don't think people are looking at the video in the correct light. Making it seem too easy? How many of you have ran OLR on a fairly consistent basis? Flinx is routinely at the top of the pile; he's amongst the cream of the GT racing crop. I know this video isn't his, but his lap is a 5:30, so it's very close to what he can do. My point is times like that aren't easy; I highly doubt most people are going to be able to swing under the gold time by that much. I've done maybe 100 laps of the ring in various F12k2 mods and I still don't feel comfortable on it, so I don't see myself getting even near gold for quite a while.

As for it being disappointing they've managed a time that much lower than the gold requirement... it's a long track, what do you expect? PD does not have the fastest people setting the gold times, because that would make it impossible for the rest of us. They use what they believe is a good above-average time. Look at how easy it was to get gold on License S8 in GT3. If memory serves, gold was well above 1:30, but it was possible to dip into the 1:25s or even lower for the aliens. And the final time trial on Complex String; KY himself had a time of 4:52, but it was entirely possible to shave at least 10 seconds off of that. That's with aids on for me too; with them off on a stock RGT that time would lower further.

Also, remember that their claims to authenticity with regards to the lap times are based on stock cars, like the R34. The C9 in the video probably is using GT's racing tires, which provide unrealistic grip levels. Also, braking has always been too powerful in GT. That, and as someone said, nobody would push a car as hard as that in real life, all add up. Yes, that wasn't perfect simulation, but I don't find it by any means absolutely terrible. I look at it as a testament to whoever's skill within the game.

And Cobra, as per the usual; get past the fanboyism. It's entirely reasonable to assume PD's recreation of Green Hell isn't spot-on; they botched Laguna Seca in GT2/3, so to think they've got it right first time out on a track that's what, 8 times as big, is funny. Okay, maybe botched is an exaggeration; but it was not a foot-by-foot recreation. I highly doubt every bump and dip from the real track is present in the game. And there's ample proof that it was indeed a human driving. There is always someone out there faster than you :)
 
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I wonder how easy the S-16 test actually is to pass, and how easy it is to get gold (you must have to know the nurb very well, I have never driven it!). More generally, I wonder how easy the S license tests are, compared to GT3, to pass and to get gold. I would imagine most of the guys who have GT4 already are fairly well practiced, hardcore players.
i just tried this test and i have to say that it´s pretty hard :scared:. i know the Nordschleife pretty well, having driven on it in RL and in games, but i still keep going off track in this test. i don´t know about flinx´ 5:30 but a glod time is easily possible with some training...

i find it´s easier to achieve gold times in the license tests in gt4. i might be cause i used to drive with the ds2 in gt3 whereas now i´m using the dfp though....
 
we frogot about tyers also ,maybe if u put GT simulation tyers it would be more realistic ,and I don't see any wear on the tyers that means he has a good set of tyers for a full lap ,and don't forget that the "ring"is a long track with high speed low speed and bumps which effect tyers alot and also using the apex alot ,so taking all aspects this is a very realstic lap conedering all reasons mentioned .
 
toler
i just tried this test and i have to say that it´s pretty hard :scared:. i know the Nordschleife pretty well, having driven on it in RL and in games, but i still keep going off track in this test. i don´t know about flinx´ 5:30 but a glod time is easily possible with some training...

i find it´s easier to achieve gold times in the license tests in gt4. i might be cause i used to drive with the ds2 in gt3 whereas now i´m using the dfp though....
Let us know what your time is when you get one.
 
VTGT07
The driving assists are on, as this is a lisence test as mentioned earlier in the thread. Also, he is using the DFP, which makes a huge difference. Keep in mind, this is more than likely a professional racer doing this test, so he knows every inch of that track,

WHY?

Why do people INSIST that just because someone knows every inch of the ring, then he MUST be a professional.

Buddy, there are THOUSANDS of people who've never BEEN to the ring and know it like the back of their hand. Ever played the PC game GPL? You don't need to be a pro to know the track, it's not like the track is IMPOSSIBLE to memorize.
 
Man who is this Flinx guy??!!

Ive got this image of this malnourished dude who's been locked in the basement, held at gunpoint and has been made to play that Liscence test over, and over, and over...

Maybe Im halucinating. Its late here. But knocking off 10 seconds from what seems to be a lap to end all laps. Hmm, guess what they say about it is true. You can never do a perfect lap there.

(Hes going to be in that basement for a while :scared: :scared: ) haha :sly:

Can you tell Ive recently watched SeveN???

Edit:: Oh, and can you give us a link to download the new "superlap?"

And what makes me wonder even more, License tests dont use the best tyres, and the Sauber wouldnt be the best car in the game?? Sub 5mins perhaps??
 
Sunning.....although acceleration, braking and steering is a bit of unrealistic for a Le-Mans car considering its very heavy.It drives more like an F1(BTW:It worked after all)


PS: Where can I find that Nurburghring video from the R8???
 
The biggest problem with the C9 lap is that the traction control is switched on. If you watch the video and focus on the TC light, its flashing on almost every part of the course.

With TC switched off its fair to say that the car would have been spat into the armco a dozen times.

To me its the main reason that the lap is so fast, but its almost imposiable to say what time a C9 could post around the 'ring as it has not been used for Prototype racing since the days of the 956/962's.

For anone who thinks that the cornering speeds are too high, take a look at the 'In-car 956' lap recorded with Derek Bell in a Porsche 956, then remember that lap is 6mins 41 seconds and the fastest 956 time was set at 6mins 11secs. Thats a thirty second difference and the Derek Bell lap has some insane cornering speeds.

These times were set in 1983, six years before the C9 won at Le Mans; I find it entirely possiable that the time could have been pushed well below six minutes if the C9 had the chance.

As I have said the only problem I have with the video is the use of TC, which will make for a faster lap. Take that into account and the lack of fear (death is never that far away on the 'ring in real life) and the time of 5 mins 38 secs on the video is not that unrealistic.
 
buddy, if you watched Bell's vid, at the left hander at the end of the Hatzenbach before the long straight going to the double right, Bell was in SECOND gear.

watch the C9 vid, he's BLASTING his way towards the top of third and hits 4th almost immediately after exiting the corner.

I don't know how fast he needs to go before you consider him to have too high in cornering speeds, but taking more than a minute from a 956's time captured on video is pretty insane if you ask me.
 
Pink_the_Floyd
It doesnt work :guilty: Every time when its on 94% download it fails, EVERY time :guilty:
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just let me say that this is the greatest thread since I've been a member here, this is one of the best disscusion,better the release dates,nos ,ferrairi lambo, ...... threads
 
Lafora
buddy, if you watched Bell's vid, at the left hander at the end of the Hatzenbach before the long straight going to the double right, Bell was in SECOND gear.

watch the C9 vid, he's BLASTING his way towards the top of third and hits 4th almost immediately after exiting the corner.

I don't know how fast he needs to go before you consider him to have too high in cornering speeds, but taking more than a minute from a 956's time captured on video is pretty insane if you ask me.

Yes and Derek Bell was in a car equiped with an '80's video camera and tripod, running a slowish lap, as I said the fastest lap in a 956 is 30 seconds faster that the lap Derek Bell recorded.

So we are down to 6mins 11seconds; now if we take some approximate values for the use of Traction Control on the video (say 8 to 10 seconds) and maybe the same for the lack of 'fear' we are talking a lap of between 5 mins 55 seconds and 5 minutes 41 seconds.

Now thats without taking into account the developments in Prototype racing technology that occured in the six years between '83 and '89.

As I said before its the use of traction control that I have the biggest problem with and its this that allows for the quicker laydown of power on the exit of most of the corners and accounts for the quicker time.

I did not say that the two were dirrectly compariable (and sorry if it read like that), what I am tring to say is that if you take into account the use of TC, lack of fear and the jump in technology then it is possiable that the C9 could have set a new lap record at the 'ring and that the lap may not be that far removed from what is possiable.

Yes some of the corners in the C9 are far faster that those of the 956, but the lack of fear and development in downforce technology will account for quite a bit of the increased cornering speeds.

My post was in reply to the people who have said that a lap like that is totally unrealistic, and while I agree to a point (use of TC, lack of fear, etc), I do not personally believe that it is that far removed.

I am still aware that this is a game and that the lap times will never (for any game) be dirrectly compariable with real life, but this time is not as unrealistic as some people are making out.

Even if you do a direct comparison of the C9 and 956 times

C90 = 5mins 38secs = 338 seconds
956 = 6mins 11 secs = 371 seconds

100 / 371 * 338 = 91%

Thats a 9% difference between the times, in Le Man Prototype cars built six years apart.

Remember the 956 is six years older, has no traction control system and the driver has to be very aware that one big mistake could well kill him. Given all that I do not think that a 9% difference between the cars is that big.

If you also accept that the use of TC and a lack of fear are good for approx 16 seconds per lap the 956 time would be 5mins 55secs, thats a difference of 4.4%. More than enough to be accounted for by the fact that its a Game and the C9 is six years more advanced.

Edited to add that the 6min 11sec lap for the 956 would also have been set with other traffic on the 'ring (as was always the case with both qualifing and practice in the '83 session), while the C9 lap in GT4 was the only car on the track. How much that is worth per lap is almost impossiable to say.
 
Barnabas
I think the psychology factor plays a huge deal here. The car may be capable of tackling the ring in under 6 minutes in real life, but no driver is brave (or stupid) enough to actually push the car that much.

I for one wouldn't push a car in real life nowhere close to I would in videogames. I don't think anybody wants to drive the ring at speeds of 300+kmph. That car was bumpy even on the straights at those speeds...and you can hear the tire lose grip as it went over bumps. pretty scary stuff in real life.


Exactly, it's no wonder Stefan Belloff died several years later in some accident. he collided with Jacky Ickx, who later kinda blamed himself because he had to know Belloff was crazy enough to overtake him there in that Eau Rouge corner. Belloff was fastest because he was the craziest. Also, I think the driving in the video is not all that great. He went off the ideal racing line many times. But untill I have done better I'll just shut up.
 
the fastest driver on corners is usually the best driver on any circut ,and that mean he does have to be fearless because thats where it might go all worng and DIE :)
 
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