On GT7, TAKE OUT EITHER VAUXHALL OR OPEL!

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  1. RACECAR

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    Two suggestions:

    1. Remove the Vauxhall DTM cars. As said before, they don't exist like that which makes them basically reskinned Opels.
    2. Include Brand Specific cars, which may be hard since they share a lot of cars.

    But don't remove either brand.
     
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  2. georgetigra

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    poor civic hehehe!
    me too mate some civic drivers they cant follow me in the ring with my tigra,!!!
    its because i have a good mechanic!! :D
     
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  3. Flaco13

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    :cheers:
     
  4. Flaco13

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    They could include more race cars, I mean existing ones. Vauxhall BTCCs; Baby Berta Firenzas etc. and Opels Astra Cupcars, Adam Rallye and the Manta that still runs at VLN and 24h Nürburgring despite it actually being too old to participate but somebody would get lynched by a mob of fans should they decide to exclude it any time soon :D.

    Newer models, I´d say include OPCs Astra, Insignia and Corsa (Opel) and the rebadged Aussies as Vauxhall. Or simply use different specs i.e. Vauxhall Corsa VXr ; Opel Corsa OPC Nürburgring Edition (or vice versa) there you go, two different cars! Opel Insignia OPC (4-door) Vauxhall Insignia VXr (Station Wagon), again two different cars! There are lots of possibilities, all PD would have to do is think outside their little "box" for once.
     
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  5. JeffreyToerien

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    They should also include a Opel Superboss together with all the OPC's
     
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  6. grog

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    As someone who isn't a fan boy of anything (not meant as a jab) I think we should really only have 1 of each model. Badge engineering is just as silly in game as it is in real life. There's no need for exact copies from scion and toyota or a acura version of a honda, ect.

    Unless the model represents a unique spec or varient, it isn't really needed.
     
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  8. Bo

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    Funny, in the UK we barely get any 5 doors. 3 doors rule the road.
     
  9. OriginalCheezIt

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    I really, genuinely want to see the Open Manta that runs the N24 in GT. That would be a riot.
     
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    #MANTA
    #DRIKN

    Go vote for it in the suggestions sections if you want.
     
  11. vipahcheese

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    TBH, I've never put this much effort and thought into either company's cars. If Kaz wants to waste time developing an Astra from the 2000's, then let the crazy man do it.
     
  12. Bo

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    What's a waste of time about it? Especially considering they don't need developing, and they've been in GT for many years?
     
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  13. Bo

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    Apologies for a double post, but a little bit of info i'd like to share.

    A lot of people criticise the Vauxhall Calibra DTM car for being "fake", and nothing more than a duplicate. This shows us otherwise:

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. eran0004

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    Or leave both. It's not like they take up a lot of disc space or anything.
     
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  15. Harsk100

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    Don't remove the Vauxhall DTM cars please: In GT3, there are Vauxhall and Opel DTM cars. When I put english language in GT3, Vauxhall takes the Opel's place.
     
  16. moxlox

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    Good find and good memory HSV!

    They use to run some DTM raced in the UK at Donnington and Brands Hatch. I guess they rebranded the cars for those races to advertise Vauxhall in the UK.
     
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    If they added in Opel-specific cars like the original Astra OPC with the naturally aspirated 2.0 and for Vauxhall the VXR8 based on the HSV Commodores, then it'd be good.

    Forza 5 this time has only featured Vauxhall, despite how easy it'd be to make the equivalent Opel OPC.
     
  18. Robin

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    You see way more 2 door Corsa's here in the UK than 4 door ones. About the GSi thing, it's basically Europe's version of the SRi (same trim level).

    My beef in not really about the Vaxhall Opel thing because it would be very easy in most cases for PD to include both, my beef is that there are no new models in GT. They should add some newish VXR & OPC models instead of another Skyline Special Silver Cup-holder Edition GTR.

    Look at this :drool:

    [​IMG]
     
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  19. SuperVeloce

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    If anything keep Vauxhall, because then we get stuff like the VX220, Astra VXR etc and also things like the Monaro and the VXR8, which Opel don't get, do they? Although not that it'd matter so much since Holden is in the game. So many premium dupe oppertunities, come on PD.
     
  20. RACECAR

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    It would be one thing if they actually looked like that because then that would mean they actually existed, which is the problem with the ones on the game: They don't look like that, which therefore makes them reskinned Opels.
     
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  21. Tornado

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    A picture of the 1996 ITC Opel Calibra with Vauxhall written on it for the Silverstone-specific livery (nevermind all of the "Opel Team Joest" logos still being on the car) shows us that the 1994 DTM Vauxhall Calibra in the game is real and is a separate entity; even though in 1994 the car ran as an Opel even when it raced at Donington?

    And that (deliberately?) out of context photo provides more info than the discussion earlier in the thread which explained exactly why the one in the game is fake, of which you were a participant?
     
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    Which one? The original or the Kappa platform one? I wouldn't mind both. Unless that's what you mean by "All versions". As for keeping both brands, I don't really care whether they all have one or both. Regardless, I would like to see some newer Opel/Vauxhall models. As for the "Vauxhall" touring cars, make them actually look like the real ones, not just reskinned Opels. There's a post above this about it. But keeping both brands is no excuse for repeat models of other cars, Japanese or not.
     
  23. Bo

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    As stated many a time, the Vauxhall on GT6 actually runs with '96 specs. All it has is the earlier aero kit and the wrong name.

    So, it is not a reskinned Opel. The two cars have performance differences (never mind the flipping obvious track width), in line with their respective years.
     
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  24. RACECAR

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    Its the same car. Literally, the same car part for part with only spec and livery change (and its not even the same one you showed). Doesn't matter that its labeled "94", its still a clone of the Opel Calibra and it along with the Vauxhall duplicates needs to go.


    Edit: Look at the pictures. How can you say those are two different cars?
     

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  25. Tornado

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    The question as you argued against was whether or not the car is fictional and a duplicate as it is represented in the game.



    The car is certainly fictional, just as certainly as the 2000 Vauxhall Astra DTM is. There was no Calibra DTM with Vauxhall badging in 1994; and giving it the supposed specs of the 1996 car doesn't change that it is labeled and modelled as a lazy reskin of the 1994 Opel Calibra DTM, then presented as its own vehicle which even in real life it was not. If it was labeled and modeled as a 1996 Vauxhall Calibra DTM it would be a little different, but still not too terribly accurate since the Vauxhall was literally just a different livery for a car that still had Opel badges and was running in the race as an Opel factory entry.
    So then the question is whether it is a duplicate; and since they didn't actually model the car that ever ran with the Vauxhall livery and just put a made up Vauxhall one on the Opel car, them changing the specs to those of the 1996 car doesn't accomplish anything but make the specs wrong. Furthermore, if the 1996 car was modeled correctly in the game as an Opel and a Vauxhall, the Vauxhall version would still be a duplicate just like the Midnight Purple Skylines are.
     
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  26. RESHIRAM5

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    That is what I meant by All Versions.

    Also, I agree, the Vauxhall Calibra is nothing more than a fake just to boost the car quantity (which I wish PD would stop doing and get rid of them all).
     
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  27. Stephan

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    I noticed one thing, why the Vauxhall Calibra doesn't have the Team Joest decal?
    Also the Vauxhall has more PP than the original.
     
  28. RESHIRAM5

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    The team Joest removal is likely because Team Joest did not run Vauxhalls in 1994.
    The PP thing is basically more because for some reason the Vauxhall has more RPM.
     
  29. Bo

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    And power. It's the ITC specs.
     
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    I would actually like to see a source for Opels ITC specs if possible because it could be PDs "make a clone and change its specs a little bit so we can add more quantity (did it with the Ford GT (No Stripe), and several of the Mazdas and Nissans).