ORCA Silvia Spec Cup - SEASON COMPLETE, CARRACERPTP SUPREME ORCA CHAMP

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Lol, nice sandbaggin-off you got here.
 
9 of us so far! Come on out for a night wicked fun racing with the ORCA.
 
Had to work tonight, just leaving but I am about 30 minutes out, doesn't look like I am going to make it. Will see what time I get home.
 
Well, I guess we have a new procedure. If there is a multi-car crash as a result of lag I reserve the right to call a full course caution, we will slow down until everyone catches back up and then go green at my command. Hopefully this won't happen often, I'll probably only do it in the first 5-10 laps (depending on track) and probably only if I see it happen and can confirm it was result of lag (I did see it tonight). This can be a sticky area so hopefully it doesn't happen often, but it's happened twice now so I figured I should make something official.

Good racing tonight that I saw, not sure what happened in the back half though because for some strange reason I spent the whole race near the front. :confused: I know the racing at this track is a bit artificial but that was some of the most intense fun I've had racing. 👍

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BrandonW77
Well, I guess we have a new procedure. If there is a multi-car crash as a result of lag I reserve the right to call a full course caution, we will slow down until everyone catches back up and then go green at my command. Hopefully this won't happen often, I'll probably only do it in the first 5-10 laps (depending on track) and probably only if I see it happen and can confirm it was result of lag (I did see it tonight). This can be a sticky area so hopefully it doesn't happen often, but it's happened twice now so I figured I should make something official.

Good racing tonight that I saw, not sure what happened in the back half though because for some strange reason I spent the whole race near the front. :confused: I know the racing at this track is a bit artificial but that was some of the most intense fun I've had racing. 👍
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I feel like unless this is an all or nothing thing, there will be too much room for issues to arise... Calling one incident "lag" and the other a "racing incident" on the fly just seems like too much of a gray area.
 
Naptown25rs
I feel like unless this is an all or nothing thing, there will be too much room for issues to arise... Calling one incident "lag" and the other a "racing incident" on the fly just seems like too much of a gray area.
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Yeah, that's why I said I basically need to see it happen. I saw it tonight, absolutely no doubt it was because of lag, it was in the first couple laps and took out several cars. I hope I never have to do it again, I just don't want people to be caught totally off guard if I do. This will be for emergency use only, not a standard operating procedure.
 
bdubclub
Had to work tonight, just leaving but I am about 30 minutes out, doesn't look like I am going to make it. Will see what time I get home.
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Too bad Bdub. It was quite fun. 👍

Good racing everyone. I enjoyed the battles up front for the first part of the race. Being 1st for a few laps was Great (for a lil while). :dopey: Tough fighting with the PROs for positions up front. Really tight racing early. 👍 It was about lap 14 when I screwed myself by pushing it too much into a turn. Then just lost the draft. Towards the end, tires were my problem when a had a couple guys pass me. BOO!👎 In all, it was a good and pretty clean race in my eyes! Other then the small issue in the beginning. Little confusing at first but we got it going. Again, good win to CARRACER. :gtpflag:
 
Absolutely no doubt that the second incident after the restart wasn't lag?
 
Naptown25rs
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I feel like unless this is an all or nothing thing, there will be too much room for issues to arise... Calling one incident "lag" and the other a "racing incident" on the fly just seems like too much of a gray area.
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I know I was the one who was lagging at the beginning. I apologize to everyone for lagging. I was running the same times as the leaders with minimal draft. I just couldn't catch up. That was a very frustrating race because I qualied on the pole. I was running mid 1.12s to low 1.13s by the end of the race. If I would have gotten a caution like at the beginning, I could have stayed up with the front of the field. I spun in the last corner because Marcus lagged. That's not his fault either. I don't blame Marcus for my 7th.
 
Naptown25rs
Absolutely no doubt that the second incident after the restart wasn't lag?
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I didn't see any other incident. Which is why it's a gray area, like you said. I don't really want to do it but I felt like the half of the field that got taken out wanted me too. I did it once before at Motegi oval when lag wiped out half the field in the first couple laps and everyone agreed it was a good thing. The alternative is to say that after tonight there will never be a caution called for lag or otherwise, the race keeps on going.
 
BrandonW77
I didn't see any other incident. Which is why it's a gray area, like you said. I don't really want to do it but I felt like the half of the field that got taken out wanted me too. I did it once before at Motegi oval when lag wiped out half the field in the first couple laps and everyone agreed it was a good thing. The alternative is to say that after tonight there will never be a caution called for lag or otherwise, the race keeps on going.
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Wasn't Owens the only one who lost the draft on the first lap incident? Correct me if I'm wrong. When the server lagged Marcus and I after the restart, naptown, dsg, and I all lost the draft.
 
BrandonW77
I didn't see any other incident. Which is why it's a gray area, like you said. I don't really want to do it but I felt like the half of the field that got taken out wanted me too. I did it once before at Motegi oval when lag wiped out half the field in the first couple laps and everyone agreed it was a good thing. The alternative is to say that after tonight there will never be a caution called for lag or otherwise, the race keeps on going.
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Standby for PM
 
I watched the replay and crash 1 was 1000% lag, no question about.
Owen was taken out from a lag spike from cnd, DSG and myself pulled of to see if we could catch up, the caution was not needed but considering it was on lap 1 and 100% lag (nobodies fault) I think it was good.
The big one on lap 5 was not lag but a simple crash caused by a lead driver error (unless my replay is broken). Some of us got lucky and made it though.
I think a 1 car lag incident is not a caution every time but in this case it was lap 1 so it didn't really hurt that much. Lap 5 didn't need a caution, it was a driver error.
 
Just to make it simple. First lap is clean it's a go. If not. Then call it off and group back up for rolling start. Stewards can suggest on lap 1. Brandon makes all calls. After lap 1. I'd say we go like normal.


Also was thinking about a success balance.

What about a systems like this.

1st -5pp
2nd -4pp
3rd -3pp
4th -2pp
5th -1pp
——————from here down you can earn lost pp.
6th +1pp
7th +2pp
8th +3pp
9th +4pp
10th +5pp
------------------on down is 5pp

Tuesday PP

Friday PP

This could be programmed in where the current software computes the current PP for the drivers. Be very interesting to see if it wouldn't bring the mid field up front here and there. ;) sounds really competitive to me.
 
I thought the lag re-start was a great idea. You'll never catch all the incidents, sometimes you'll have lag and Brandon or possibly a steward won't see it but when it's observed and clear, re-forming the pack is a great idea in my opinion. Sucks to put in an hour or two of practice, come to a race and get taken out through no one's fault but Kaz/PD in the early laps or at any point really. If we have at least a partial remedy to that I'm all for it. I want everyone to have a good time racing and an equal shot at a good finish based on their skills, not random luck be it good or bad.
 
Johnnypenso
Sucks to put in an hour or two of practice, come to a race and get taken out through no one's fault but Kaz/PD in the early laps or at any point really. If we have at least a partial remedy to that I'm all for it. I want everyone to have a good time racing and an equal shot at a good finish based on their skills, not random luck be it good or bad.
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This is the logic behind my decision. If lag screws up the field in the first lap or two it likely means most of us will be driving around by ourselves for 30-45 minutes and I don't think any of us enjoy that. Within reason, I want to make sure as many people as possible enjoy themselves and in these instances the lag spike would have ruined a lot of peoples evening do to nobody's fault. Last night's instance was not as severe as the Motegi oval incident but I felt like because I had set that precedent people were expecting me to do it again and possible even pulled off the throttle in anticipation of a caution being called.

To be clear, I don't want cautions in our races in any way shape or form, but given the choice between calling an early race caution to salvage the race or everyone doing glorified hot-lapping, I'll choose the caution. Hopefully this never happens again and I ask that no matter what happens that everyone keeps racing hard unless I give instructions otherwise......meaning, don't anticipate a caution for every little lag incident.

I'm open to any suggestions on how to better handle this situation. I had to make a quick decision in the heat of the moment without a lot of info, I chose to call a caution and we ended up having a respectable race (albeit with a few racing incidents). My only concern is keeping the majority of the group happy and if the majority never wants to see a caution under any circumstances then we will never see another one. If the majority is in favor of me making quick decisions in the interest of salvaging an enjoyable race then I will continue to do so. I'm really at a loss for the best way to handle this and I want to do whatever the majority feels will produce the most enjoyable racing environment.
 
How great would it be for GT6 if it was a sim designed around racing, rather than racing plugged into a sim?!?! A button or hotkey or something available to the Race Director enabling PS4 to take over the cars on the track, a little caution flag waving in the corner of your tv, and an auto restart at the flag at the RD's discretion. Can you imagine!!!?!?!??

Short of that fantasy, I think what was done last night is the best we can do for now.:crazy:
 
Johnnypenso
How great would it be for GT6 if it was a sim designed around racing, rather than racing plugged into a sim?!?! A button or hotkey or something available to the Race Director enabling PS4 to take over the cars on the track, a little caution flag waving in the corner of your tv, and an auto restart at the flag at the RD's discretion. Can you imagine!!!?!?!??
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Don't I wish. Unfortunately PD put all their emphasis on graphics and there wasn't enough room/RAM leftover for the type of things that would actually make the racing experience better. Sure, it looks great and drives great but we have to jump through an increasing number of hoops to create a good racing experience. Once we have a good method they put out an update that throws things into chaos. If it weren't for the great community here I likely would have given up on it long ago, but with recent events I'm getting closer and closer to ditching it and getting a PC for some more enjoyable racing. Even older games like GT Legends probably offer a far better racing experience than what we have now on GT5.
 
Or maybe the person that keeps lag-crashing into walls and people should work on improving his connection. You know, at least the usual - making sure one is on the wired line, with proper ports open in the router and cache cleared.
 
dsgerbc
Or maybe the person that keeps lag-crashing into walls and people should work on improving his connection. You know, at least the usual - making sure one is on the wired line, with proper ports open in the router and cache cleared.
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Who was it that lagged badly at La Sarthe last season?
 
dsgerbc
Same person. Plug a Motegi oval wreck.
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Well let's discuss reality then.

I don't want to single anyone out. However when these issues can be pinned down to one racer. It seems only obvious to have the discussion.

Also wanna say these connection issues stink. :( always leads to a tough decision for the head cheese.
 
OwensRacing
Well let's discuss reality then.

I don't want to single anyone out. However when these issues can be pinned down to one racer. It seems only obvious to have the discussion.

Also wanna say these connection issues stink. :( always leads to a tough decision for the head cheese.
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As series go, we actually are very "lucky". PURE, TOCA, and many other series deal with this much more often. Most likely because most of us are on the North American continent with only a few long distance racers.
 
OwensRacing
Well let's discuss reality then.

I don't want to single anyone out. However when these issues can be pinned down to one racer. It seems only obvious to have the discussion.

Also wanna say these connection issues stink. :( always leads to a tough decision for the head cheese.
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I'm handling it. Any advice on how to address these problems (links to opening router ports, etc.) would be helpful if anybody knows of some good resources.


Man, I haven't had this many post-race PM's since Kamikaze was racing with us! :lol:
 
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BrandonW77
I'm handling it. Any advice on how to address these problems (links to opening router ports, etc.) would be helpful if anybody knows of some good resources.
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http://www.racedepartment.com/forum/threads/gt5-online-connection-issues.29944/
Covers the basics.
Other things:
  1. Disconnect every other device that's online (!) Basically if it is plugged in it's using bandwidth.
  2. Watch out for friends and or family streaming netflix or doing something else online when racing.
  3. Googles DNS is very fast and a good thing to setup on your PS3 (no mater what).
  4. Clear your cache daily.
  5. Reset your router before any big races.
  6. Make sure your router is still working right (Before you call your internet service provide asking them why the networks slow)
  7. Go here: http://www.speedtest.net and see if it is at least close to matching what you ordered from you internet service provide for internet speed. If it's way off, call them.
 
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http://www.racedepartment.com/forum/threads/gt5-online-connection-issues.29944/
Covers the basics.
Other things:
  1. Disconnect every other device that's online (!) Basically if it is plugged in it's using bandwidth.
  2. Watch out for friends and or family streaming netflix or doing something else online when racing.
  3. Googles DNS is very fast and a good thing to setup on your PS3 (no mater what).
  4. Clear your cache daily.
  5. Reset your router before any big races.
  6. Make sure your router is still working right (Before you call your internet service provide asking them why the networks slow)
  7. Go here: http://www.speedtest.net and see if it is at least close to matching what you ordered from you internet service provide for internet speed. If it's way off, call them.
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dsgerbc
http://portforward.com/english/applications/port_forwarding/PS3_Gran_Turismo_5/default.htm

Select your router and follow instructions. If router not present - just pick random one and find similar settings on yours.
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Thanks guys. 👍
 
I know a way that helps lag is if you disable mics. I haven't had any lag problems in other series and they had mics disabled. I am the primary one who is lagging here, and this is the only series I run in that allows mics in the lobby. I apologize to anyone and everyone who I have affected because of lag.

If need be, I will stop racing because I don't want to have people angry at me.
 
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