Ovals VS Road Courses

[FlourescentBlak]

I'm sorry but ovals are extremely boring. Honestly, there's no need for sleeping pills.. if you're having trouble sleeping take a few laps around an oval course and you'll be nodding off in no time.

on top of that there's really no challenge.

Not if your meticulously fine tuning your car while trying to get as much speed with as much downforce as possible, finding a maximum corner speed, and save 6th gear for a full draft out of a corner and all the way to the next (Daytona)

When GT5P first came out I was using the Tuned Elise 111R on Daytona and had a setup where I always, always, won, against any car/driver I encountered (I think it was 700pp). Now I realise that the likleyhood I ran into somone with a good setup or as skilled as me was low but still. Ovals are like any circut and you can put a tonne of effort in to them and it will show.

I agree and I would preffer way more circuts than ovals but if you "want" to entertain yourself with ovals they are just as interesting as other circuts so I Vote I'll take what PD gives me.

 

[stig's helmet]

but not all oval tracks are the same.

i understand what you mean but the way you said that made me

 

[analog]

I'm a big IRL fan; can't believe I missed the inclusion of it in GT5.

Hate to be the one telling bad news but IRL isn't included in GT5 as far as we know, it was announced in a Playstation Magazine ages ago but they were forced to retract it again as it proved to be inaccurate.

 

[shirakawaa]

True, but you'd have to wonder if that's even the point of the NASCAR license. Look at the WRC license, I doubt they'll have anywhere near enough courses to represent it correctly. I wouldn't expect too much from either license to be honest, track wise. I bet we'll see a lot of NASCAR and WRC fields on regular road courses.

Regarding rally/WRC, I feel that rather than recreate real point-to-point tracks, PD will go the "course maker" route. After all, driving each time on different roads adds an element of surprise that does exist in rallying (that's why there's a co-driver reading pacenotes).

 

[analog]

Regarding rally/WRC, I feel that rather than recreate real point-to-point tracks, PD will go the "course maker" route. After all, driving each time on different roads adds an element of surprise that does exist in rallying (that's why there's a co-driver reading pacenotes).

That's a good point regarding the talking co-driver ( or navigator ) because that element would become irrelevant after a while once you learned the tracks.

 

[TexManZero]

Hate to be the one telling bad news but IRL isn't included in GT5 as far as we know, it was announced in a Playstation Magazine ages ago but they were forced to retract it again as it proved to be inaccurate.

Well, after I posted that I looked on the front page again to find information because it would be big news. Then I googled it and found the correction. That's ok, but what I said still stands.

 

[juwlzx5]

There is no challenge in having a bunch of ovals, unlike road courses which are each unique in their own way.

 

[LSX]

Lolok


There are similar ovals, as well as road courses, there are no two that are the same. Obviously, or not in this case?

Like Texas Motor Speedway and Atlanta Motor Speedway, or even Las Vegas Motor Speedway, they look incredibly similar from the track map. However all three are quite different, and driven differently, for instance, the three tracks are all mile and a half cookie cutter style tracks, but Atlanta is the fastest track on the calendar with the drivers running nearly flat out the whole lap. Flat out before the tires start to go off, but they will need to use much less brake than lapping at Vegas which has less banking.

Even Daytona and Talladega different while it may not be very apparent by looking at them. Both roughly two and a half miles long, however 'Dega is at least a lane and a half wider, far smoother (not for long) and the cars handling matters for nothing, while Daytona is rough and bumpy, once the tires go off, the large packs aren't a place to be due to the way the cars move around. In my opinions, from sims, Daytona is tight and white knuckle racing, where Talladega is open and relaxed, it just seems like there is more room to move around, though it does not matter where you are in a tight pack. I just personally like drafting at Talladega more.

Yes I know no one really cars about all that, but they are different, however some are horribly dull and don't promote good racing.

Rather than list tracks I'd like to see, as everyone has the right idea as far as I can tell.

I don't want to see...
Pocono
Louden
Auto Club
Kansas
Chicagoland
Michigan
Las Vegas

I'm sure I forgot another cookie cutter but that's it for now.
Ill driver Nascar anywhere, the same goes for any other car in GT5.
Nurburg 500 here I come!

 

[Antonisbob]

I'de be happy with just a good balance of the 2, Obviously I want alot of road courses but ya' know, We NEED Talladega for shure though 👍

Also I want to race Daytona beach like in the 50's!

 

[GT_Prologue5]

Go with circuits. They have more to offer in the form of pushing a driver to the limit. Not saying ovals are bad, but I'd rather race on a circuit.

 

[mani_23]

If there are over 70 tracks, I dont think there should be anything more than %10 ovals, %90 road..

I hope im not (Even though I know I am) being too ignorant, however, 7 ovals are very similiar and useless at the same time. I think 5 is good, have a couple daytona style courses, and maybe 1 or 2 more Circular courses (Similiar to need for speed shift).

The Speed test course not being included as a track I assume.

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Off topic, but, does anyone else think the Speed test should be a bit longer? 25-35K on each side could do the difference for me... Although I would want a big change, somewhere around 200+ added on..

 

[Nielsen]

More road courses thanks. I think ovals are slightly boring but let's see if GT5's Nascar can change my mind.

 

[Rey-FD]

If there are over 70 tracks, I dont think there should be anything more than %10 ovals, %90 road..

I hope im not (Even though I know I am) being too ignorant, however, 7 ovals are very similiar and useless at the same time. I think 5 is good, have a couple daytona style courses, and maybe 1 or 2 more Circular courses (Similiar to need for speed shift).

The Speed test course not being included as a track I assume.

Lets say that there were 70 tracks, 7 ovals is plenty, after all... it's just a oval
But i'll leave it to PD to decide which tracks to include..

 

[wind195]

I think if they at least add all the famous tracks which would cover all the different types of tracks I think thats all that would be needed.

right now we have

daytona 2.5mile tri-oval
indy 2.5mile Rectangular Oval Track

Adding a 1.5mile track a a few short tracks like bristol and Martinsville would be fine


i dont think Talladega would work with only 16 cars max on track.

sides talladega is nothing but crazy train racing......untill the big one happans.

 

[terminator363]

Road Courses are great! Also the Oval/Road Courses really satisfy me! (Like Daytona)

 

[Nero9]

Ovals are boring.
Yeah yeah, say all you want, "oh you have to overtake like this,blabla"...but. It. Is. Still. Boring.
I'll take Circuits thank you. Test Course '00 and '05 is an exception.

 

[Gejabo]

I disagree: 4-5 ovals are just barely enough to represent NASCAR correctly.
Daytona and Indianapolis are already in, but Talladega is a very famous superspeedway that would really have to be included, and so would be the popular short high banked oval Bristol. But I would expect in addition to these ones at least 3-4 more ovals and the other road course in addition to Infineon Raceway curretly used in NASCAR: Watkins Glen.

it does not has to represent NASCAR correctly imo.
just a few tracks to get the feeling.

If PD want to let you experiance as many motorsports as posible it does not has to the whole calender of each competition.

It does not have any australian V8 tracks either nor does it have many DTM tracks.

but like I sad already it's all about personal preferences

 

[RACECAR]

Exactly why is this thread even still here? Last I checked, I never see any reasonable discussion, only bashing.

 

[SigmaViper11]

With the inclusion of IRL and NASCAR how do you think PD should balance the number of ovals compared to the number of road courses?

A few ovals, preferably only those that are associated with a road course, eg, Twin Rings Motegi, Daytona, Indianapolis, Texas speedway, etc. . .

 

[MatskiMonk]

Just a thought, if one of the track creator locations was an Oval 'stadium', with the basic controls that exist in the editor you could pretty much recreate any oval track on the calender... although obviously none of the buildings would look right.

Just a thought.

What I don't get is why there is any love for the test course? Now that IS a boring oval, seriously smooth, massive corners, really long boring straights.. but.. and I think the most important thing... it has ZERO character.

I hope that any ovals that included, that have a road course in real-life, are available to race in both configurations.

 

[Quintin03]

Zero character untill you run a Minolta or GT-One at 488 on the top of that banking. It's like complex string, you just got to like it.

 

[eXon-Rampage]

Just a few ovals and and alot road courses.

 

[Sam48]

7 American ovals plus the others would do for me. It would make for a good NASCAR season.

1. Daytona
2. Indy
3. Lowes
4. Bristol
5. Las Vagas
6. Atlanta
7. Talledega
+
8. Infineon
9. Watkins Glen
+
10. Motogi Ring Japan
11. Monza's Oval
12. The High Speed Ring (But only because it'd make a great NASCAR track)

 

[Sasek]

Max 3 ovals, the rest must be road courses.

 

[Strikey182]

Oval tracks can sod off! I want an interesting track with left and right turns!
Its an oval! How many variations of one can you get?! I dont care if it is slightly banked more, or if it is longer, shorter etc. Its still an oval! Just plain ol' boring. Especially if there is only 16 cars..
Okayy, i appreciate some people are gonna want lots of ovals but its too narrow a market! A few oval races, okay i'm fine with that but i dont want to have to do a million races on them..

 

[MatskiMonk]

Comparing the tracks directley is only half the issue, it's also how they have to be driven, and how you have to race on them.

 

[Wits]

I think that we from Europe will never understand ovals, nascar and IRL. I will drive em when races are not to long. But if they get over 20 laps I hope B-spec is around to take over before I fall asleep. I have to say that I watch them on TV so now and then. I think that those races have a lot to do with luck and gambling that you are upfront when the flag drops. No, its not my cup of tea. Instead give me more tracks like: bathurst, sugo, mugello, Spa, brno etc.

 

[LSX]

Oval fans want those tracks as well. I do anyway.

And add Oschersleben.

 

[shirakawaa]

Surely I don't expect NASCAR races in GT5 to last 3-3.5 hours, at least for the A-Spec mode!

 

[Goldrusher]

Oval tracks can sod off! I want an interesting track with left and right turns!
Its an oval! How many variations of one can you get?!

Don't forget there are many types of ovals.

These 5 would be a nice selection, with 4 of them having a decent road course as well, to please the more narrow-minded players such as yourself.


Bristol for example is tiny, with 2 equal turns:

Motegi is also very small, but with 2 different turns:

Daytona on the other hand is huge, with of the straights curved:

Indianapolis is enormous and rectangular shaped, with 4 equal turns:

The Lausitzring is basically triangle-shaped: