Ovals VS Road Courses

[SigmaViper11]

Again such rovals are commonly far from satisfactory. Over 1.5 Mi ovals are an exception but even these are usually dull, bland and flat.

I looked at a satellite image of Texas Motor Speedway. It looks like the road course section can get quite. . . complicated.

 

[Quintin03]

I looked at a satellite image of Texas Motor Speedway. It looks like the road course section can get quite. . . complicated.

Just the problem, lots of corners, no speed, no challenge.

 

[DG_Silva]

Ovals in themselves aren't that challenging, but the real skill comes from racing up close with 15 other people in identical cars. I can remember playing Indycar Racing on the PC with 20-30 cars on track and really finding it hard to keep a rhythm going when trying to race hard. Indianopolis isn't that exciting, but I always found Michigan and New England fun.

 

[supersub7]

Having read through some of this thread i think some people are just being silly when it comes to the F1 vs Nascar debate. In real life both sports are exciting to watch and some people will rather watch one than the other.

When it comes to tracks on GT i think there is no need for more than five ovals. For me in game they are boring to drive and while playing prologue i have almost fell asleep countless times while going around Daytona.

Personally i would prefer a lot more road courses.

 

[alexpez]

Its all (virtual) tarmac. If anything, ovals will show whether Gran Turismos physics are up to scratch, after all, they are essentially two high/medium/low speed corners to test car balance out on.

Itll be interesting to see if the live axled, detroit lockered stock cars are modelled correctly.

 

[ghsnu]

I could care less, but if anything, more circuits than ovals.

But both are entertaining-especially ovals when it comes to speed testing and fun as 🤬 wipeouts lol.

*imagines 16 car pileup on the turns with evil laugh*

 

[eSZee]

I could care less, but if anything, more circuits than ovals.

But both are entertaining-especially ovals when it comes to speed testing and fun as 🤬 wipeouts lol.

*imagines 16 car pileup on the turns with evil laugh*

They're just going to love racing with you online.

 

[Joker-GTBR]

A short oval like Bristol/Martinsville, an one-miler, the Twin Ring Motegi, Daytona, and Test Course. All other tracks as circuits

 

[SigmaViper11]

Just the problem, lots of corners, no speed, no challenge.

Well that depends on what you're after. It doesn't look like a place to put down more than 400bhp. It looks like Lotus country or something. It's manageable with higher end cars but probably a royal pain to keep them on the track let alone keep them on the appropriate line. I think for some people the issue is that its too much of a challenge. Its like a special niche difficulty. Requiring not only the proper skills but also mostly catering to a specific type of machine.
Personally, its a course with lots of turns. Which means competition most likely will be bottled up, resulting in lots of timing and frustration. And of not, I'm betting many will be able to use it as a drift track. Either way, I personally want that track.

On a side note, check out Rockingham circuit. A nice square circuit with a number of configurable roads on it.

 

[ing2ning]

I want them all. I love how the real enthusiasts and the posers stick out like black and white in a thread like this.

 

[Lain]

I'll take whatever Polyphony gives me. I prefer road courses, but I'll still enjoy whatever ovals are in the game.

 

[Teh_Loserer]

These poll results aren't the least bit surprising.

Well that depends on what you're after. It doesn't look like a place to put down more than 400bhp. It looks like Lotus country or something.

I've been there a number of times, even driven a couple and ridden once.

Trust me, along the banking and straight, you DEFINITELY want some power. The road section is tricky, but you don't wanna fall flat on the WOT part. I had an Honda RC51 topped out, and that thing's no slouch!

All that being said, though, what racetrack isn't Lotus country?


*EDIT* Ok, I'm just tired. I was thinking of Texas WORLD Speedway. Never in my life been up to Texas Motor Speedway.

 

[SigmaViper11]

These poll results aren't the least bit surprising.




I've been there a number of times, even driven a couple and ridden once.

Trust me, along the banking and straight, you DEFINITELY want some power. The road section is tricky, but you don't wanna fall flat on the WOT part. I had an Honda RC51 topped out, and that thing's no slouch!

All that being said, though, what racetrack isn't Lotus country?


*EDIT* Ok, I'm just tired. I was thinking of Texas WORLD Speedway. Never in my life been up to Texas Motor Speedway.

Ok, maybe wrong track, but good point. What isn't Lotus country? Technically you coul'd drive anything anywhere its jsut a matter of how much work you're willing to put into it. A lotus in a curvy area is easier to drive than say a TVR Speed 12. And for someone like me, while the Lotus would be fun(Eixge S I'm thinkin) the challenges, headaches and sheer freaking out moments of the Speed 12 make it addicting because its ridiculously hard to control.

 

[rudi555]

oval couses should only be daytona and oval monza

 

[Nish]

I am no Nascar fan but I think it would be a letdown to people that are to have only a couple ovals. There are different layouts there not all just the big superovals.
Bristol is a tight dangerous shortrack (fun at night)
Ponoco is triangular in shape with different approaches to each bend.
These are just the two off the top of my head. Add Richmond, Talledega, Daytona, Michigan and Indianapolis and I think Nascar fans will flock to GT5.
I would like the original Daytona though, half beach half tarmac : ).

On the other hand I like very twisty roads. Nurburgring, Infineon, Suzuka, Laguna Seca, etc. etc.

 

[UK-Gamer]

I tend to use ovals for practice, I just got my Fanatec Carrera (My first FFB wheel) got used to everything (clutch, gearstick, FFB, 900*) on Daytona, where my use of the brake is at a minimum.

I'm on High Speed Ring which has considerably more braking and use of the 900degree wheel. I'm doing well, just gotta move up to a harder track now, Maybe Suzaka East?

But I love both. Ovals are for when I feel like having a relaxing race because once you get to gear 5, it's like you dont have to do anything else but steer.

Road Courses are for when I desperately want to become better, turning ect.

 

[Racin'Jason]

cant you guys make all the ovals you want with the track creator?

 

[Feschka]

cant you guys make all the ovals you want with the track creator?

It's still unclear what you can or can't do with the track creator.

Funny how GT5 will be in our hands in the week between Talladega and Texas 500s. Two great tracks which shouldn't miss in any Nascar game anyway.

16 cars running instead of 40 is not good though: traffic is everything.

 

[Teh_Loserer]

cant you guys make all the ovals you want with the track creator?

Nope, they can't.

Rather than being a fully featured editor – a feature that, Yamauchi confessed, was tinkered with but deemed too complex – the course maker allows players to select certain set parameters to create a track. A theme can be selected, with the Belgian High Fens or Toscana two examples, and the individual track sectors are then defined.

Sectors are edited individually, with frequency of curves, sharpness of corners, degree of topography and banking angle are set with a series of sliders.

Essentially, a full course editor like the one in ModNation Racers would have been a ****load more work/time.

 

[Goldrusher]

cant you guys make all the twisty tracks you want with the track creator?

Fixed.

 

[mayonaiske]

ovals suck thats not real racing: its a whole other thing (not that its not exiting and u dont need skill) but leave the nashcar **** in america land off wrestling the realest best fight sport in the world , NOT!!!

no nashcar for me

 

[Nish]

It's still racing. I don't like it but I also don't like Top Gear or cart racing. Doesn't mean I'd complain about it, complaining over everything not to be to your liking's is very childish.

I'm sure we will be able to make ovalish tracks but in the case you think it's ok to just overlook tracks because of this could be looked at very negatively. Maybe just give us a game with just the car's and make you make all your own.

Yes it's an american sport, not as exciting to me as a GT series race but hey it takes skill and it's racing so it should be in. Also I hate F1 should Monza or Spa just be dropped? Hell no! Not stepping on toes just it seems there are alot of people on this site... better yet the world who feel thier opinions mean more than others.

By the way mayonaiske you are correct in saying wrestling is fake and I don't see it as a sport but as a soap opera for kids and grown men

 

[darkblade986]

ovals suck thats not real racing: its a whole other thing (not that its not exiting and u dont need skill) but leave the nashcar **** in america land off wrestling the realest best fight sport in the world , NOT!!!

no nashcar for me

Take that kind of attitude to your local dirt track and you'll find how wrong you are.

Oval tracks aren't necessarily about the driver's ability to drive the track, it's about the racing itself and the driver's ability to race each other. The problem lies in the Intermediate-sized tracks where it's too easy for 1 driver to pull away. The longer, wide open tracks, like Daytona, and the shorter tracks with more braking, like Bristol, create the best racing as no one driver can ever really get away.

That's what makes the Indy 500 so great as well. The INDY cars can't pull away from each other at that track because they're all wide open and don't have any more power to get away. The skill comes in beating the other driver, not the track. NASCAR does it a bit differently. It's far more team-oriented in those kinds of races as the cars are designed to actually take a hit or 2. We get the same kind of racing on the short tracks.

Continuing on from that, NASCAR is also a battle of the machines themselves. The drivers are just a secondary part of that battle. The cars we use are not designed just for sheer performance like F1, INDY, or other GT racing series are. They are designed to show off the car models themselves. Heading off the counter to that, we're in a transition period right now. The new car was necessary for safety and uniformity, and brand design will come into play later.

Of course, the other thing you have to remember is that NASCAR was born from a bunch of moonshine running rednecks in the American South. What can you really expect? NASCAR was born from booze.

 

[mayonaiske]

ovals still suck 2 or 3 turns to memmorize ... finding the perfect line and the perfect speed, trying little faster and faster faster whitout going over the limit , and how to overtake other drivers left side , right side out of in to turn ...
lookin at amount of fuel , tyre ware .. what els ... dunno


thats my opinion nascar fans think diffrent things about it , and i can see how it gets so many fans but not me

and the dirt ovals the funny 600hp? buggys they always roll over when crashing


here in belgium theres only superbike oval dirt racing (drifting long dirt bikes whitout brakes )
and crazy cross , racing on oval like tracks in a field ore something and classes go from standard cars, and reinforced , and topclass (subarus ans old toyota mr2 turbo and M3 whit M5engine (always wins ) ofrous tires and suspention ...) like small car shop , garages do it as hobby ) my friend drives in a hiundai exel 1.4 12v funny ****

 

[scope72]

Did you even read what darkblade986 said?

 

[UK-Gamer]

I don't know much about NASCAR but why are you Americans so defensive of it?

 

[SCUD77]

I don't know much about NASCAR but why are you Americans so defensive of it?

No offence to the american users on here but americans dont like to back down from anything they look out for there own and will defend anything and everything that is U.S.A.
Which I think is a good thing and its a shame England dosn't do it a bit lot more.

 

[mayonaiske]

little offtopic , why does every race class got restricions ... ,

make a class whit no restrictions and go worldwide on tracks , laguna seca , spa , le mans , nurburging .indianapolis oval and so on

every big car brand shows its own top of the line technology to make the fastest allround race car in the world , once a car is created no more changes in settings in the whole season , only dry ore rain tires

allround ...

the redbull x1 could race for real ?

omg srry for my fantasy is a little wacky

 

[Patrocles]

I don't know much about NASCAR but why are you Americans so defensive of it?

full disclosure: I am an american
Personally, I avoid NASCAR like the plague because I find the oval courses are not very interesting.

based on people I know they enjoy NASCAR they say they watch it for the close scraping and hitting that is always going on, pitlane crews doing their work, bump-drafting, race characters and attitudes.

I think Americans can get very defensive about NASCAR because they see it as a uniquely american sport so it must be good, or the best, in their eyes.

NASCAR is so popular it tends to steamroll any other racing competition. We lack, or have extremely reduced coverage of what I consider to be interesting motorsports such as F1, MotoGP, WTCC, WSBK, FIA GT, A1GP, etc. compared to what I have seen in Europe. I am not joking when I say I have witnessed as much as 14h of straight NASCAR races/shows on a Saturday (thanks for nothing SPEED Channel/FOX).

I continue to pray for more and better internet streaming options for motorsports that I enjoy but have problems viewing properly in the U.S.


ok...enough rambling...haha

 

[Feschka]

Races on ovals can be extremely entertaining, unlike most of F1 GPs, where often drivers overtake each other only during pit stops, very exciting true that...