Ovals VS Road Courses

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Which would you like to see more of, ovals or road courses?

  • I'd like to see more road courses than ovals

    Votes: 158 28.8%

  • I'd like to see more ovals than road courses

    Votes: 5 0.9%

  • I want only a few ovals and a lot of road courses

    Votes: 311 56.6%

  • I want only a few road courses and a lot of ovals

    Votes: 5 0.9%

  • I'll let PD decide for me when they announce a track list

    Votes: 70 12.8%
  • Total voters
    549
The poll could do with sorting too. Options 1 and 3 are the same as are 2 and 4.
 
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It's amazing how much people hate ovals, you would think they killed their family or something.

Get over yourself and realize that more content will only make the game better. Who knows, maybe you will try it and like it.
 
Justin
It's amazing how much people hate ovals, you would think they killed their family or something.

Get over yourself and realize that more content will only make the game better. Who knows, maybe you will try it and like it.
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I don't mind driving on ovals so much... but it's the amount of ovals in GT5 which is beginning to worry me. It just seems unnecessary. If there are any more then two official Nascar ovals, I'd seriously consider PD to be wasting their time. They should be focusing on a greater variety of interesting, unique tracks.
 
jacoja06
I don't mind driving on ovals so much... but it's the amount of ovals in GT5 which is beginning to worry me. It just seems unnecessary. If there are any more then two official Nascar ovals, I'd seriously consider PD to be wasting their time. They should be focusing on a greater variety of interesting, unique tracks.
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Who's to say they aren't?

We really don't have any idea what tracks will/won't be in and if there are only 20 tracks than I would say PD has been wasting their time the past 5 years.
 
As long as we have a good representation of what oval racing is, from short track all the way to super speedway, I'll be fine. That's at most 5 tracks, more are always welcome.

I love Nascar and oval racing, be it on dirt or asphalt. I love sports car and open wheel racing, regardless of where, it's all about the speed and the wiz-bang technology. I'm an equal opportunity lover of all things motorsports. There is no reason to hate, all your doing is limiting yourself, so take your feet out of the stirrups, and hop off the high horse, relax and enjoy good racing. Who cares if it's on an oval or a road course, it's racing, is that not what it's/we're all about in the first place?

I have a feeling, due to the lack of European exposure to oval racing like we have in the States, people write it off as sub standard. But if you would experience it, without a bias, you'd have to be stone cold dead not to come away from a race grinning after the finish, I've converted many who did nothing but scoff at oval racing on the first race I brought them to. It does not hurt, I promise, it's just a different way of doing things.

That said, I LOVE F1, even if most of the passing is not on track. The famous circuits, the insanity of standing starts and the immense levels of down force, which make some incredible things possible just blow me away. The thing is though, it likely has the same crappy exposure here in the States as oval racing does everywhere else. I don't care though, I went into it being open minded, sure it's not as exciting when you take it for face value. It's pretty much parade laps at qualifying pace, with the odd dive bomb maneuver thrown in for good measure. But learn what it is, and dig a little deeper, and it's great racing as well, there is so much strategy involved, it's just great. If given the chance, I'd be all over attending F1 races, but I can't so I wont bother.

I'm just using F1 as an example, even touring cars are great fun to watch.

Oval, street, road course, off road, rally, off shore boats, drag racing, who cares, it's racing, which is all I care about. The more varieties available to me in GT5 the better, I hope everything is represented fairly. Give things a chance, no need for circuit snobbery.

See you haters on the high banks, and dive bombing to your inside in the hairpins. :P
 
LSX
As long as we have a good representation of what oval racing is, from short track all the way to super speedway, I'll be fine. That's at most 5 tracks, more are always welcome.

I love Nascar and oval racing, be it on dirt or asphalt. I love sports car and open wheel racing, regardless of where, it's all about the speed and the wiz-bang technology. I'm an equal opportunity lover of all things motorsports. There is no reason to hate, all your doing is limiting yourself, so take your feet out of the stirrups, and hop off the high horse, relax and enjoy good racing. Who cares if it's on an oval or a road course, it's racing, is that not what it's/we're all about in the first place?

I have a feeling, due to the lack of European exposure to oval racing like we have in the States, people write it off as sub standard. But if you would experience it, without a bias, you'd have to be stone cold dead not to come away from a race grinning after the finish, I've converted many who did nothing but scoff at oval racing on the first race I brought them to. It does not hurt, I promise, it's just a different way of doing things.

That said, I LOVE F1, even if most of the passing is not on track. The famous circuits, the insanity of standing starts and the immense levels of down force, which make some incredible things possible just blow me away. The thing is though, it likely has the same crappy exposure here in the States as oval racing does everywhere else. I don't care though, I went into it being open minded, sure it's not as exciting when you take it for face value. It's pretty much parade laps at qualifying pace, with the odd dive bomb maneuver thrown in for good measure. But learn what it is, and dig a little deeper, and it's great racing as well, there is so much strategy involved, it's just great. If given the chance, I'd be all over attending F1 races, but I can't so I wont bother.

I'm just using F1 as an example, even touring cars are great fun to watch.

Oval, street, road course, off road, rally, off shore boats, drag racing, who cares, it's racing, which is all I care about. The more varieties available to me in GT5 the better, I hope everything is represented fairly. Give things a chance, no need for circuit snobbery.

See you haters on the high banks, and dive bombing to your inside in the hairpins. :P
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+1 👍
 
Justin
Who's to say they aren't?

We really don't have any idea what tracks will/won't be in and if there are only 20 tracks than I would say PD has been wasting their time the past 5 years.
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My point is, it takes a lot of development time to create a detailed track in GT. By spending more time on different oval tracks, it will in some way effect the quantity of other tracks the rest of us (over 80%) would prefer to race on.
 
Dave A
There's 20 odd tracks in GT5, with a lot more variations. That is according to a Sony rep who was speaking to a member on here who went to CES and posted his finding. It's exactley how Kaz should be interpreted too.

Honestly, people need to stop this 60 or 70 odd actual tracks rumour, you're just going to get a lot of people other than yourselves dissapointed as well because they'll read what your saying and be expecting that. Over 20 tracks is fine and it's better than most other current gen racing games.
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I know but 60 tracks is how the game is advertised and a track is a track, Suzuka West is a variation of Suzuka but its still a different track.
 
Jay
According to the poll

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I can see that. And I can understand the difference between a D-shaped oval, a tri-oval, an actual oval shape etc. ... but having more ovals than road courses? Where's the challenge in that?
 
I'd like more road courses to be honest. I'm not too keen on the ovals.

But with Nascar, we definetly need a good few ovals. I can just see how Daytona and Indianapolis vary from the Motegi Super speedway in GT4, so we do need a good 4 or 5 ovals of different types. They can be challenging aswell, turning left and left again is more challenging than some people might think.
 
Seismica
. They can be challenging aswell, turning left and left again is more challenging than some people might think.
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Physically in real life yes but in the game I don’t think so. Once you have made it to the front of the pack it gets boring although I do like the variations on the Daytona Circuit in GT 5 Prologue.
 
If they've gone to the bother of getting the licences for IRL and NASCAR then I would hope theres a reasonable number of ovals say 10 or so to make these series worth playing and we're obviously going to get Daytona, Indianapolis and Motegi. I'm a huge Indycar fan so I'd love to see Texas, Homestead-Miami, Chicagoland, Kansas, Nashville and maybe one of the smaller ones like Richmond or Milwaukee. I don't watch a lot of NASCAR so I'm not so familiar with the ovals they run that the IRL don't but Talladega, Bristol, Fontana and Pocono would be pretty cool. A few of the Indy and old CART road and street courses would be great too such as Watkins Glen, Long Beach, Toronto, Montreal, Surfers Paradise and Road America. Obviously theres no chance of most of these but hey I can dream. I'm not greedy though whatever tracks the game has I'm sure they will be awesome.
 
chriz92
Physically in real life yes but in the game I don’t think so. Once you have made it to the front of the pack it gets boring although I do like the variations on the Daytona Circuit in GT 5 Prologue.
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In GT4, where the AI failed at most circuits, Super Speedway was actually pretty tough. Pit strategy is more important for a start, because the average speed is higher so you lose more time/distance. Also, with damage and with professional physics, track position is very important, because you can't afford to spin or hit anything otherwise your race is essentially over. And the sort of speeds you travel at multiplies every little mistake you make. In road cars its quite simply yeah, just full throttle all the way around. I can't imagine its that simple with purpose built race cars, they might hold their ground easier but are much less forgiving. One mistake and you're off into the wall, or you spin out and get taken at 190mph by the car behind. Things happen a lot faster in Nascar. (Although personally i find it uninteresting, i think racing in Nascar in GT5 might just make me interested)
 
garybee
The poll could do with sorting too. Options 1 and 3 are the same as are 2 and 4.
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They are if you are being pedantic.

1 - I'd like to see more road courses than ovals
3 - I want only a few ovals and a lot of road courses

However, they differ in relative proportions. Option 1 is stating that you want more focus on road courses, but implies you are happy to have a good number of ovals too (say, 70% road and 30% ovals). Option 3 is stating that you want a lot more road courses compared to ovals (say, 90% road and 10% ovals). That's how I read them anyway, so voted for number 3.
 
jacoja06
IMO, The only oval track which properly belongs in Gran Turismo is the Test Track.

I do hope Daytona and that Brickyard track are the only two Nascar tracks which will make an appearance. For the other Nascar tracks, High Speed Ring and Red Rock Valley would work fine. Shame HSR isn’t more like the original banked version from GT1 and 2.
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Why is the test track the only oval that belongs in Gran Turismo?

Last time I checked Gran Turismo has always had oval racing and has always been expanding it. There were a few oval races in GT1 at the test course, then GT2 added the Twin Ring Motegi Superspeedway. Now with GT5 we have NASCAR which schedule consists of 95% ovals and Indy cars which schedule consists of 50% ovals.

I can understand the argument that most racecars in GT5 are built for roadcourses, but nothing is stopping them from racing on ovals as well.

Personally I wouldn't mind if PD dropped rally racing all together as I have no real interest in it, but you won't see me campaigning for just one or two rally tracks even though rally tracks are far less useful then ovals to a vast majority of the cars in the game.

At the very minimum accordin to what is 'fair' there should be the same amount of ovals in GT5 as there is rally courses.


Also, NASCAR has only been racing at Indy for the past 14 years, so calling it a NASCAR track is kind of misleading. It's premier race is the IRL's Indianapolis 500. The track use to host Formula 1 and MotoGP goes there as well.

It's anything but a "NASCAR track".

The first Indy 500 was in 1911 and there has been a total of 93 Indianapolis 500 mile races since then. Compare that to Le Mans which unlike Indy has had it's configuration changed dramatically over the years. The first Le Mans race was in 1923, twelve years after the first 500. There has been seventy-seven 24 hours of lemans races, compared to ninety-three Indy 500s. Even the famed Nurburgring is at least a decade younger then the Brickyard (Indianapolis).

There is 250,000 permanent seats at Indianapolis, the most of any sporting venue in the world.

Indianapolis is part of the triple crown of motorsports which includes a F1 Title/Monaco GP win and the 24 hours of Le Mans

The circuit has three layouts, the oval, F1 course, and MotoGP course.

Daytona should be in because it hosts two world famous events, the Daytona 500 and The Rolex 24 hours at Daytona sports car race which is part of the endurance racing triple crown, lemans, sebring and the daytona 24 hr.

Can Fuji, Suzuka, or most of the tracks in GT compare to the historic ovals of Indy and Daytona? Not in my opinion.
 
Earth
Also, NASCAR has only been racing at Indy for the past 14 years, so calling it a NASCAR track is kind of misleading. It's premier race is the IRL's Indianapolis 500. The track use to host Formula 1 and MotoGP goes there as well.

It's anything but a "NASCAR track".
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I was just stating the point the oval is... well not quite an oval :lol: I'm assuming a fair few of the Nascar circuits, old and new, vary like this. (I know very little about Nascar so forgive my ignorance lol :P)
 
^If PD are going to finally start giving us UK tracks, I'd like Oulton Park, Donington Park, Silverstone, Knockhill, Cadwell Park, Thruxton, Snetterton, Croft, Brands Hatch and Birmingham before Rockingham :p
 
Ardius
^If PD are going to finally start giving us UK tracks, I'd like Oulton Park, Donington Park, Silverstone, Knockhill, Cadwell Park, Thruxton, Snetterton, Croft, Brands Hatch and Birmingham before Rockingham :p
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With the possible exception of Silverstone I agree - of course, they don't offer the compromise of an Oval and a Road Course that the Rock does!

And before any body jumps on me for Silverstone, I go there all the time, It's been in hundreds of racing games before and I'm a little bored of it to be honest!
 
Ardius
^If PD are going to finally start giving us UK tracks, I'd like Oulton Park, Donington Park, Silverstone, Knockhill, Cadwell Park, Thruxton, Snetterton, Croft, Brands Hatch and Birmingham before Rockingham :p
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I've been round Oulton Park on a Ducati 748 and Donongton in a formula ford single seater and they are both fantastic tracks. The elevation changes on both tracks feel great, shame you don't experience that in a game!
 
To be honest, similarity didn't stopped PD from having 50 Skylines in a game, in around three groups that had around 7 cars each one basically looking the same. So, I don't think it will change when it comes to ovals. 👍

And I'm serious. By no means I'm bashing the Skylines this time. It shows that there's a chance we will get many ovals, regardless of people saying they look the same.
 
Mubble
Lets say there are 80 variations of tracks, you're wishing for 20 to be ovals?

Are you an idiot?
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No but I should be able to say what I want not what you want in the game without being called an idiot. And by the way you math is wrong.
 
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More people need to see this.

When was the last time the margin of victory was 0.006 seconds on a road course?

EDIT: I can't seem to get this to work, can someone please fix it for me.
EDIT 2: Nevermind, got it to work.
 
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I cant stand oval tracks so I only want 1 or 2 of those and the rest road tracks. Its the same reason I cant stand Nascar and dont watch it.
 

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