PD, this is how the Enzo should be, hmmm...

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I have both fully tuned. Yes the SLR is easier to keep on the track and it has massive low end torque, and great acceleration, but the enzo just plain is lighter and more agile if you are able to drive it.

The enzo is at 1044 KG and the SLR at 1328. Not that much of a difference btw.
 
SavageEvil
You people are crazy, all cars understeer when you brake too late into a corner. Enzo has snap over steer and under steer at the limit, learn how to handle the car first before complaining about it. You guys are probably expecting to drive all cars the same way, good luck with that approach as you will find the same problems you are experiencing now.

Learn to drive the car properly first, stop trying to go balls to the walls in every corner, learn patience. Enzo is a great car for it's time, no matter how short lived it's stay was at the top. MR cars have notorious edgy handling, sometimes it's balanced other times is break neck, you have to figure out the car's quirks. I know for a fact that if you had to drive the Enzo in real life you would not drive it anywhere near are crazy as you do in the game. Relax and take a breath guys. Side note, Enzo's lack of much body roll is attributed to is suspension not downforce, goodness gracious where do you guys get this stuff?
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This is what is so great about this game, all the Cars(well not every single one) have there own personality, and half the fun comes from learning how to drive each one.
 
First time post!

Here's the thing - the Enzo is a road car, not a track car. It's designed for rich people to go fast on roads in saftey, not for race drivers to hammer around on tracks. As a result, it's always going to be disappointing on the track. This is the core wisdom that comes out of Mark Hales and Nick Mason's Enzo DVD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xrmb1Q9QI4&feature=related

Even with track tyres, the car's ultimately a pig. I'm inclined to trust Hales on this issue, as he really does know his **** about track performance, inside and out. Ultimately though, the real mark of the Enzo's chassis was in the Maserati MC12's GT-class successes (and it's a shame the MC12 isn't in GT5).

That said, the engine note is off. But, y'know, when you're recording engine and transmission noises in controlled environments, like putting a mic on every instrument in an orchestra, you'll never capture the symphony's entire effect when all the noises come together by just mixing the individual parts. This is a problem with every racing game for me.

Also, I can't believe people are arguing the merits of cars based on Top Gear's track times. It's a TV show, not a certified timing body. There's no mention of pre-trial setups, fuel weights, tyre ages, nothing, so any objective comparisons are pointless. The laps shown on TV have even been shown to be edited together from different runs in some cases!

You might as well judge cars based on how well the die-cast model rolls along your living room carpet.
 
HuskyGT
The car drives fairly good. But it does sound like a Ferrari V8. I rather have the strange sound that the Enzo had in GTPSP, that actually sounded like some sort of artificial V12/6 cylinder-ish engine. But at least it sounded "correct."
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You're joking right? I drive with no assist and this car is impossible and totally xrap too drive. It's such a handfull too even get it around a track i am not able too enjoy the drive:grumpy: Gt5 physics aint all that IMHO.
 
Poppins
Lol the Enzo is definately faster then the SLR man, I can run like 6:30 in my SLR and I know for a fact the Enzo goes faster.
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your playing on practice mode and either way a stock enzo wouldnt do 6:30 in online nurburgring nord

sorry man but you are ignorant about it being slow

PP already proves it on stock / stock that the SLR has got more PP than the enzo . 650 hp / 1250 kg , 610 hp / 1740 kg and still the SLR has more and pretty much is faster in any grand prix track

coinsidence? yeah right.

but anyway any track you want to compare it im up but im not going to compare it on a straight line track

add me and lets see if you can keep up

psn:reventon10
 
If you're trying to determine which car is faster it would be exponentially more accurate to use the same driver in both cars, and not race. Just a thought.
 
Enzo309
your playing on practice mode and either way a stock enzo wouldnt do 6:30 in online nurburgring nord

sorry man but you are ignorant about it being slow

PP already proves it on stock / stock that the SLR has got more PP than the enzo . 650 hp / 1250 kg , 610 hp / 1740 kg and still the SLR has more and pretty much is faster in any grand prix track

coinsidence? yeah right.

but anyway any track you want to compare it im up but im not going to compare it on a straight line track

add me and lets see if you can keep up

psn:reventon10
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Lol, yes I actually can run 6:30 online in my Enzo. It isnt stock, it is fully tuned I said. Same with the SLR. The SLR is a few seconds slower. The Enzo is a faster, more agile, better handling car. You just suck.

And the SLR makes alot more torque then the enzo, 575 at 3250 rpms. Ever think that might be the reason the PP is how it is?

And Im fairly sure that fully tuned they are about the same PP as well.


freedomweasel
If you're trying to determine which car is faster it would be exponentially more accurate to use the same driver in both cars, and not race. Just a thought.
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I did this and you can run High Speed Ring ONE time to realize that the Enzo is superior.
 
BlackoutBilly
A lot of you guys are bringing up the FXX and 599XX and so on. When talking about the Enzo you can't bring these cars up as they don't compare, they aren't in the same league, and they aren't even purchasable for daily driving. If you don't know anything about these strictly track cars, then let me enlighten you. If you want to "buy" an FXX, you basically pay Ferrari an incredible sum, they teach you how to drive the car, you enter into their program, and they decide which days you can drive. There are designated track days for these cars...this is the only time owners get to drive them. However, if you'd like to purchase an Enzo, you go to a dealership, get the keys, drive home while stopping at the grocery store to get milk. So when talking about production road cars, try and keep your examples to production road cars so we can have an accurate comparison.
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Right, and you point is? Because you can buy milk with your Enzo its going to be better... No, the FXX is faster period.

Just a side note the Enzo is slow that your Milk will spoil before you get home most likely too.
 
Enzo309
your playing on practice mode and either way a stock enzo wouldnt do 6:30 in online nurburgring nord

sorry man but you are ignorant about it being slow

PP already proves it on stock / stock that the SLR has got more PP than the enzo . 650 hp / 1250 kg , 610 hp / 1740 kg and still the SLR has more and pretty much is faster in any grand prix track

coinsidence? yeah right.

but anyway any track you want to compare it im up but im not going to compare it on a straight line track

add me and lets see if you can keep up

psn:reventon10
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I dont know if you are saying that an SLR is faster around a track than an Enzo in real life or in GT5. It is definitely not faster in real life. Not by a long shot.
 
I think you just need a television with better sound if you ask me the car sounds almost identical to real life although a total pain to drive somewhat since it does not want to steer
 
andmen
I dont know if you are saying that an SLR is faster around a track than an Enzo in real life or in GT5. It is definitely not faster in real life. Not by a long shot.
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read it again
dont reply something if you dont understand anything the reply is saying


Enzo is definitely faster in real life with its F1 aerodynamics and downforce it weighs more than the SLR but again its flying but anyway I guarantee the SLR would be faster in any grand prix track in GT5
 
BlackoutBilly
A lot of you guys are bringing up the FXX and 599XX and so on. When talking about the Enzo you can't bring these cars up as they don't compare, they aren't in the same league, and they aren't even purchasable for daily driving. If you don't know anything about these strictly track cars, then let me enlighten you. If you want to "buy" an FXX, you basically pay Ferrari an incredible sum, they teach you how to drive the car, you enter into their program, and they decide which days you can drive. There are designated track days for these cars...this is the only time owners get to drive them. However, if you'd like to purchase an Enzo, you go to a dealership, get the keys, drive home while stopping at the grocery store to get milk. So when talking about production road cars, try and keep your examples to production road cars so we can have an accurate comparison.
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It seems that you cant read past the first 2 cars on a list of 5. So allow me to mention the others again

599 GTO
458 Italia
458 Challenge

All quicker than the enzo. My point was that ferrari has released many quicker cars since the enzo. In spite of what some of the previous posters would lead you to believe about the enzo being the be all and end all of all ferraris past present and future full stop.
 
-=DV=-
It seems that you cant read past the first 2 cars on a list of 5. So allow me to mention the others again

599 GTO
458 Italia
458 Challenge

All quicker than the enzo. My point was that ferrari has released many quicker cars since the enzo. In spite of what some of the previous posters would lead you to believe about the enzo being the be all and end all of all ferraris past present and future full stop.
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Can we all go back and remember that the Enzo is a 9 year old design. It was the first great hyper car of the decade, and yes, it has been surpassed many times since it came out. Lets all hope that the successor is much more impressive.
 
Fully tuned/modded cars are invalid for comparing two models. You can't compare an SLR McLaren and a Ferrari Enzo by comparing two that you own and have upgraded. The chassis, suspension, and transmission were built around a certain engine with a certain amount of power.
 
-=DV=-
It seems that you cant read past the first 2 cars on a list of 5. So allow me to mention the others again

599 GTO
458 Italia
458 Challenge

All quicker than the enzo. My point was that ferrari has released many quicker cars since the enzo. In spite of what some of the previous posters would lead you to believe about the enzo being the be all and end all of all ferraris past present and future full stop.
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No, I did read the names of these cars (I just didn't feel it was necessary to elaborate on them, as I never claimed anything about the Enzo's performance). But as this topic is about the Enzo, I don't see the relevance in comparing it to track cars. We can compare road cars all day, that's fine. I'm not denying the fact that those three are quicker - they should be. I'm not even sure how the topic in the OP evolved into a discussion about comparing other cars to the Enzo...all I wanted to mention was that it's illogical to compare the Enzo to the FXX in terms of performance...the two are in completely different categories.
 
So this morning I decided to take the Enzo around the Nurburgring for a blast after watching this video.




Took me a while to get used to GT5 again as i have been racing a bit on Rfactor lately and not had time for much gaming in general. Anyway, first thing i noticed (might just be a GT5 thing) the car was amazingly responsive and I could brake much later than I expected. At high speeds the Enzo is a bit twitchy and I saved more than one tank slapper on the edge, close to wiping out.

Real life time : 7:25.21

So you're looking at roughly the same time as the Nissan GT-R. Well my first lap came out at 7:12.6, second lap was 7:06.8, showing that this car is probably too fast in the game. With a good driver I think it could go under 7minutes quite easily.

My conclusion is that people who are getting understeer are simply driving it wrong, I found when I turned in it just turned beautifully so long as you got the braking right, the hardest part is keeping it stable at high speeds.

Then I did some other laps with cars to compare first lap times, where obviously a lot of driver error will occur, these aren't meant to be hotlaps. All cars are stock, ABS 1, everything else off.

Nissan GT-R Vspec 09 - 7:22 (very easy to drive but I messed up some)
Mclaren MP4-12c - 7:21 (bit of a tank slapper, this was a messy lap, the car is very hard to drive)
Ferrari 458 - 7:05.8 (corners fast, probably the easiest road/super car to drive in the game)
Mclaren F1 - 6:51.7 (Savagely fast, but easy to mess up)


The problem with comparing Nurburgring Nordschliefe times is that it often falls down to how easy the car is to drive, mistakes are almost certain and getting something consistant and comparable over something like 7minutes is not likely without countless laps. We can obviously push a lot harder in the game than the real drivers can, as they have to hold back some no matter what car they are driving.


Given that the Enzo on a messy lap in GT5 in my hands was almost 20 seconds faster than the real life lap, I really fail to see how somebody can say that it hasnt been done justice. I would say the Mclaren MP4-12c was not done justice. The real car is said to do everything a 458 can do but better, accelerate faster to 160mph than a Mclaren F1 and has been described as having the best handling in any sports car, ever.

But in the game it is hopeless in comparison to the 458, it's a mess, but the Enzo, no that is a fantastic car in the game, with its performance similar to cars in the same position in real life. But for certain i would say that all of the cars are too fast to be realistic, too much grip, brakes are too good.
 
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Enzo309
the problem is even the SLR mclaren is faster than the fake enzo here in GT5

being specific in nurburgring its 10 seconds faster a lap

in real life the enzo is faster than SLR in any track

I have to say the straight line performance on the enzo is real

except for its f1 transmission because in real life everytime you upshift it orders a burst of torque from the engine and prevents the back of the car from squatting , disengages the clutch and reangages it all in .15 seconds 150 miliseconds

although its been said everywhere that you cant go as fast as you possibly could because of the amount of snap oversteer you get from it
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actually at the Nordschleife, I can run a 6:56.xxx with the stock Enzo with sport soft tires, while with the SLR the best I can do is a 7:07.xxx, so the problem here, to me seems to be that you are not able to drive the Enzo at its limits.
 
Andy89
actually at the Nordschleife, I can run a 6:56.xxx with the stock Enzo with sport soft tires, while with the SLR the best I can do is a 7:07.xxx, so the problem here, to me seems to be that you are not able to drive the Enzo at its limits.
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Utterly unrealistic! What are the settings you are running? Did you just put sports softs on it?
 
Slammedc
Utterly unrealistic! What are the settings you are running? Did you just put sports softs on it?
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Yes, no tuning at all, the car is stock. I have also the video on youtube :)

And yes, sport soft are better than the real tires the cars cames with IRL, I think sport hard are more realistic, I think Sport Soft are similar to the semi-slicks.
 
A real Enzo is good for 7.25 on the Nring. 6.56 is much faster but people say semi slicks could be worth a good 10 seconds off a lap time at the ring.
 
Andy89
actually at the Nordschleife, I can run a 6:56.xxx with the stock Enzo with sport soft tires, while with the SLR the best I can do is a 7:07.xxx, so the problem here, to me seems to be that you are not able to drive the Enzo at its limits.
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This pretty much proves what I was saying, a decent driver can take it under 7minutes, so obviously the Enzo is not too slow in GT5, thanks!
 


I repeat, sport soft are better than the real tires, but hey, it's still faster than other cars I tried with sports soft... Here a list of my lap times on the ring :

6:29.310 Pagani Zonda R '09
6:40.637 Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo
6:43.643 McLaren F1 '94
6:44.686 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 '09
6:52.745 Mine's BNR34 Skyline GT-R N1 Base '06
6:56.428 Ferrari Enzo '02
6:56.762 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce '09
6:59.072 Ferrari 458 Italia '09
6:59.670 Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR '08
6:59.786 Ford GT '06
7:03.284 McLaren MP4-12C '10
7:04.567 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 '08
7:06.878 Mercedes SLR McLaren (19inch Wheel Option)
7:07.808 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 640 '09
7:09.395 Ferrari 430 Scuderia '07
7:11.205 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano '06

All the laps are done with sport soft tires, so the Enzo is fast as it should be in the game. I expected it to be faster than the lambo, the viper and the other Ferrari's, and it is, so yeah, I think PD got it right 👍
 

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