PENALTY SYSTEM IS STILL A PIECE OF ****!!!

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  1. BallPtPenTheif

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    Driving up the middle and running 3-wide into a turn has never gone well for me either.
     
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  2. Alpha Cipher

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    We learn new stuff everyday :cheers:
     
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  3. Crazy Taylor

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    To say the system is a piece of **** is definitely a rather strong opinion. On the ****-o-meter, I would go for this.

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  4. fastone371

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    Yeah, Im certainly not as smart now as I was when I was 16, back then I knew everything there was to know, you couldn't teach me nothin!!!! :banghead:

    Then I got just a little older (maybe mature is the word I am looking for) and I realized that you don't know what you don't know. :idea::idea:
     
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    For the middle (advanced racers with experience but not in Dr. A or A+ or S) we understand that you are more okay with the penalty system but for all the rest of us - the BIG majority of racers in GTS Sport Mode the penalty system is "Complete piece of ****" on you scale there Mr. :tdown: :irked:
     
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  6. Crazy Taylor

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    This is more in line with what you are saying then?

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    Could you amend to include “what drivers dirtier than me think”
     
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  8. GA 52

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    Sorry Mr. but you need to put the arrow "Hard to Starboard"!! ( ------>) . ... (I'm a sailer too) ;)
     
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  9. Crazy Taylor

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    Could amend to GTPers who have ungodly, unblamable powers think of the system
     
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  10. Crazy Taylor

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    Would do but I ultimately don't think absolutely everyone A and above its a crock of ****.
     
  11. Outspacer

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    FWIW, as a 48k DR A, I'd probably be generous and rate it as "Just ****".
    (edit: having different penalties based on DR is a "Complete piece of ****" though).

    "Complete piece of ****" is the way SR calcs are done currently - making it a useless rating. And also the DR resets - which screw up the DR rating.

    I do not mean this just because I 'care' about my ratings.

    The whole point of those is to match like players together, and it simply doesn't. As it is now you can't expect an SR S to be cleaner than an SR A, and you can't expect a lower DR to generally be slower (because they might have just had a reset) - if one of those beats you it takes more DR from you than it should (or you earn less from beating them).

    I haven't played for a month or so. Not because of the penalties (although I don't enjoy the racing the system produces, I survived), but because of the SR/DR flaws. I was looking like I could get into DR A+ and hold my own, but why bother when the risk of DR reset gets so much greater?!
     
  12. Tillbeast

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    Getting out of SR B is a nightmare. Grinded an entire evening with slow progress to get 2 points into SR A then first race in SR A Ì get punted first corner into cars in front and get a -sr plus penalty. Drove clean rest of race only to be back on SR B with 42 points.

    SR does not work unless every racer abides by it which is not the case. Plus game does not allow aggressive defending or attacking. I can slow mo around and not try to race to get SR back but it' impossible to keep at SR B unless you are high end of the DR category you are in to get clear of pack. Very disenchanted with game, I drive cautiously and get punished for it :(
     
  13. Lord of Tranz

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    Eh, all these GT league events and such. Much like what would usually come with a GT, but their new direction is struggling that they've been backtracking enough to add it all since release. All the way to the last content update giving yet more offline content.

    (Offline/campaign. I am aware we have to be online to save progress though. But that's just another thing to add to the 'cons' lis, lol).

    No exaggerating needed. Aside a couple of new to the franchise tracks Even, all they're doing is adding old GT content back to the game. Same with cars. Had the old content been there from the start, they'd be 'safer' in terms of sales/players by including older fans that loved campaign, and the game would be looking forward.

    The game isn't moving forward in this new direction to well with that in mind, I believe.
     
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  14. ARTAsean

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    The SR system works fine. The real problem is the players who don't abide by it.

    PD can't "fix" it without either being more lenient on dirty racers, or more strict on clean ones. Both of which would just upset more people.

    Qualify on podium, or be a backmarker to get your SR up. Fighting your way in the rear / mid pack will never pan out.
     
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  15. fastone371

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    That's exactly why the penalty system is flawed. The higher ranked driver is penalized for contact caused by the lower ranked driver. You can be at the front all day long but that won't keep you away from the lower ranked player who either does not understand or just doesnt know his braking points, I got booted from the lead by the 8th place driver when he either tried to knock everyone off track or just forgot to brake, went all the way to 16th place, last. It's almost impossible to work your way back up without someone hitting the side of you because they dont want to get passed or they just cant control their car with the DS4 very well, then you acquire more penalties for simply trying to race even though you attempt to race clean.
     
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    The major problem is that it moves too fast. 4 clean races of race C can be all it takes to get from 0 to 99. And it can easily go down even quicker. As such, it only really reflects your last race or two, and whether you had the good fortune to start first or last... or not.

    And yes, it should be 'stricter' on clean racers. What is the point of giving someone at SR 99 a pool of SR they can use to play dirty?! Stricter in the sense that SR gains should be more limited the higher you are in SR.

    SR scoring differently depending on DR is just wrong - it should be dependant on SR and with a sliding scale so that there are no sharp changes in behaviour (i.e. thresholds, like we now have with DR B and below vs DR A and above).

    Of course, being stricter won't work while the SR varies so quickly from race to race. It has to be a longer term average to have any meaning.
     
  17. BallPtPenTheif

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    That's not true at all. I've been SR S since DR C and it was not hard to get once I understood line etiquette, which the system seems to adhere to. I didn't farm SR points and I rarely secured pole position. It was all hard pack racing in the mid to rear to get that SR S. I got hammered around, punted, and rammed a lot but as long as I brushed it off and didn't retaliate I rarely received a penalty. Racing didn't drastically clear up until SR A at which point retaining SR became way easier.

    All of the valid complaints on the system are in DR A and up. That's where all of the crazy footage is coming from and clearly its absurd that a DR B driver can bump a DR A driver and the A driver gets the penalty. That is the main over arching problem that needs to be fixed.

    DR B and below, the SR system works amazingly well as long as you know how to defend, avoid, or draw penalties from dive bombers.
     
  18. Crazy Taylor

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    Its seems to be perceived that PD assumes that the higher your rank, the better racer you are. Therefore you shouldn't be getting penalties against like for like opponents if you are a better driver.

    Note: I am aware the lower ranked racers get put with higher ranked ones, so no need to mention that. Have your fill nonetheless.
     
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  19. Alpha Cipher

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    What if we do the reverse? Have DR ranks E to B have the penalties that DR A and above have? I mean, if PD expects higher ranked people to be more experienced, then they should be the ones who know racecraft. Why the strict penalties then if you already know these people would follow etiquette more than lower ranked people? At least if we reverse the system, the penalties will brutally, mercilessly, and forcibly kill them over and over until they finally know what to do in a race. Then they can go to the high ranks when they know what to do.

    It sounds outrageous, right? You can already imagine the hell the lower classes will be if this were to be implemented.

    Well, take that situation and adjust the rankings so that there's B-A+ people. That's the hell we live in right now.

    It's common sense at this point though. I just wanted to rant a bit at how unfair different penalty system applications are
     
  20. VeeDoubleU

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    I don't mind the concept of higher rated drivers being expected to be cleaner, and hence bigger penalties, but it is so poorly implemented. It is just the dumbest thing ever when drivers of different driver ratings collide and the higher rated driver gets a bigger penalty no matter what, while the lower rated might not even get a single penalty.

    It needs to be changed, possibly so the penalties in a particular race are based off the lowest rated driver in that lobby.
     
  21. Crazy Taylor

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    I agree with that. Yeah I don't know what A and above is like with penalties. But they should still 'tar everyone with the same brush', especially since GT seems to use the Playstation mantra of being FOR THE PLAYERS
     
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  22. nutcracker33

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    I just have a couple of issues with this system,

    1. why do I get a penalty when I am the one who got hit from behind, often times trying to avoid a collision in front of me, may be the system thought I was at fault for going too slow for the other guy to hit me ? I dont know

    2. penalty for unavoidable contact, we were at Monza, I was following closely to the guy in front of me cause I got a good run going out of the second chicane going into lesmo, dude messed up by hitting too much of an apex and slid, I hit him and I got a penalty, there is nothing I coulda do.

    3. Again, dude out brake himself in front of me going into a hairpin, got out of shape and left a space on the inside. Of course i went there, and dude tried to correct by driving inside without knowing I was there, hit my side door, and I got a penalty

    I didnt vote because I think the penalty system is somewhat in the middle at this point lol
     
  23. djidane57

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    is it me or being a B rated driver allows you to get away with pretty much everything?
     
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    I think it's irrelevant that we/they expect higher ranked (DR) drivers to be cleaner. We have both DR and SR ratings, and IF they both worked adequately then you might well notice that high DR corresponded to high SR to some extent.

    I think penalties should be the same across the board, but if anything should be based on SR since that's what PD primarily use to match players.

    Any cases where PD's system thinks it's appropriate to dish out time penalties to both players should not result in any time penalty, just -SR - if they can't get it right, leave it to the statistical rating (but again, only works if SR works adequately).
     
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    Reversing the penalty system is a fantastic idea. Maybe it would keep people from just entering a race with a car/track combo they are not familiar with or dont have many laps on and wrecking half the field L1T1 because they are not sure of the braking point. They would need to put more practice laps in to familiarize themselves with current day races. It would also hamper the dirty drivers by loading them up with penalties regardless of rank if they continue with their habits.

    Im a B and get more than my fair share of penalties when getting hit and often the offender gets nothing, including times I have been shoved into the walls because the slower car doesn't want to be passed, which seems much more common now than previously.
     
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    Us DR B drivers can do a lot to ruin a race but it has limits. You can softly ram people but if they go off of the track you get a penalty. You can rub cars side to side as long as you have rights to that portion of the track but if you hit them hard or run them off of the track you get a penalty. These exploits can be stacked and used to dive bomb people baiting them to hit you and giving them the penalty if you time it right. Conversely though, if you know what you are doing it's easy to draw a penalty from a dive bomber as well.
     
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    Or not generalise the DR/SR system and have a player gain ranks with specific Gr.__ and tracks. For example I may be DR B with Gr.3, and incur penalties as such, or my SR might be A or S at Monza because the game recognised that I’m a good driver there
     
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  28. Tillbeast

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    I disagree. It is fine you knowing line etiquette but if others don't or just don't care game has difficulty working out who to penalise. DR B SR S is almost as bad as DR C SR C but you cannot out run or out qualify DR B as easy as DR C to get clear tarmac.

    I do agree it looks silly at DR A and above...all penalties should be the same.
     
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    I am sick of hearing of players getting penalties for doing the right thing, the only way to solve this problem is to bring in Ghosting or scrap Sports Mode altogether.
     
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    Race Etiquette???? Where??? Who???? Probably only you, me and one hand full of guys know more or less what it is and how it´s done... the remaininig ones.. mostly don´t know .. don´t care, and hope that if you know then you just drop dead the fast as possible...

    And of course it´s stupid that guys with DR A or above have different rules... It´s like a writeen note to the remaining ones: "Shoot this guy down, cause you can and you gonna get away with this murder!"

    Specially when the player.. it´s me... I´m very sick of that indeed, ,in fact I´m severely ill with that sickness.. :( But I aint dead yet!!!!
     
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